Slashdot Mirror


GPL Successfully Defended in German Court

Philip Bailey writes "The GPL Violations Project, based in Germany, have won (subject to appeal) a court case against D-Link, who had allegedly distributed parts of the Linux kernel in a product in a way which contravened the GPL. D-Link had claimed that the GPL was not 'legally binding' but have now agreed to cease and desist, and refrain from distributing the infringing product, a network attached storage device. Expenses, including legal expenses, were received by the plaintiffs; they did not request any damages, consistent with their policy. They have previously won a number of out of court settlements against other companies. Slashdot has previously mentioned the GPL Violations Project."

10 of 210 comments (clear)

  1. No distribution of the source? by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I read the news article linked and didn't see any reference to D-Link releasing the source, nor any request by the GPL Violations group for them to do so.

    "It was very sad to see D-Link starting to argue that the GPL would not apply. Given D-Link's repeated license violations, it can be thankful that we've never asked for any kind of damages, but merely to cease and desist from further infringements, plus our expenses. I start to wonder whether they actually deserve such a mild strategy."


    The group even mentions themselves that they were only looking to cease and desist from the practise.

    While this does seem to be the right step, I'd have at least expected a requirement to release the source in question - if the GPL is valid and a company has released a product contaminated with GPL code, shouldn't they have to release the source rather than simply refraining from the practise?
    --

    Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic
    1. Re:No distribution of the source? by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're incredibly naive if you think an unmodified Linux kernel is capable of running an embedded device like that....

      In other words, it *is* like it's something they wrote. They stood on the shoulders of others, but they still had to do their own work to get it to work with their hardware and do what they want it to do. Seeing as they use off the shelf wireless chipsets, ethernet controllers, and such, there's absolutely nothing to stop a competitor from using the source code they would have to release under the GPL to manufacture a cheaper alternative that is functionally identical. It makes much better fiscal sense for them to switch to a different kernel and modify their own source to suit it.

      --
      If you believe everything you read, you'd better not read. - Japanese proverb
    2. Re:No distribution of the source? by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Seeing as they use off the shelf wireless chipsets, ethernet controllers, and such, there's absolutely nothing to stop a competitor from using the source code they would have to release under the GPL to manufacture a cheaper alternative that is functionally identical.

      Conversely, there was nothing stopping them from just grabbing Linksys' WRT source code, or OpenWRT, or any of the other Free Software firmwares and running it on their router. Then they'd become that "cheaper alternative!"

      Besides, that's exactly how the GPL is supposed to work, and DLink knew the rules of the game before they started playing.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  2. Re:Legally binding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A license is a permission to break some law (James Bond: license to kill, GPL: license to violate copyright under certain conditions). EULAs don't fit the profile, they aren't licenses (unless you live in a country where installing a program from the retail CD to your harddrive is considered a copyright violation).

  3. You know what really burns me? by hullabalucination · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've got a Belkin F5D8230-4 MIMO wireless router and the matching F5D8010 cards. Airgo makes the chipset on both. Guess what the router's internal OS is? Guess which OS doesn't have driver support from Belkin/Airgo for the card? I know--this is probably off-topic, as Airgo does release some parts of the router's bits and pieces to the public. That being said, however, to me it's like a violation of the spirit of the GPL to make use of the GPL'd OS to make your product a success, then turn around and very pointedly ignore the support needs of the folks whose code you depended on to get your product off the ground (and Belkin wireless pre-N stuff is exceedingly popular now, as even a casual scan of the Wireless Aisle at the Usual Retail Outlets will confirm). Reading the forums, there's a lot of Linux folks out there who'd love to have a bona fide driver available from the OEM. Probobably a few of whom have contributed code to the OS at one point or another which Belkin/Airgo is dependent on.

    At least you can get the card to work via the NDIS kludge (but not in every case, and not even using Belkin's Win32 drivers). I guess I shouldn't complain. WinXP-64 campers are completely out in the cold with this kit, so my partner won't be able to upgrade her Win2K any time soon.

    * * * * *

    The preceding poster is a wholly owned subsidiary of the the Mitsubishi Corporation and his post may not be reproduced, in whole or in part, without the consent of Major League Baseball.

  4. Re:Legally binding? by caseih · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Right. This is about software distribution, not software use by an end-user. The GPL is *not* an EULA; it's a license to distribute the program. The GPL explicitly states that you do not have to agree to the terms of the GPL in order to use the program.

    I suppose that by these same arguments you could argue that EULA's must be valid because nothing else grants you the right to use copyrighted materials when you buy a program from a closed-source vendor. But EULAs go beyond copyrights into contract law, I believe they are a different beast than source code licensing.

  5. Re:Strange.... by JesseL · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Under the GPL, it must supply the source code for everything needed to build the executable.


    I don't know were you got this idea but it is wrong.
    http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FSWithNFL ibs
    --
    "Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!"
  6. Re:How arrogant by rjstanford · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The GPL isn't preventing DLink from copying, modifying, or distributing. The only thing that they're preventing is DLink taking those rights from others when they use GPL'd code to make their programs.


    Not at all. Precondition: you have some GPLd code. You decide to release a product based on that code. How on earth does DLink releasing a closed-source product also based on this code in any way reduce your ability to do likewise? Or anyone else's, for that matter? What you seem to be saying is that DLink is stopping you from piggy-backing off of their code. Which is true, and also forbidden under the terms of the GPL (which they chose to license their base code), which is why they're being shut down.

    The BSD license is actually designed to promote true freedom. Freedom, as in "Do what you want to with this, whether or not I approve of it." Not that the GPL doesn't provide for some great ideas, but its hardly a freedom-loving license.
    --
    You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
  7. Re:Strange.... by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If a library is released under the GPL (not the LGPL), does that mean that any program which uses it has to be under the GPL?

    That pretty much sums it up. The way companies like nvidia get away with shipping binary drivers is to not actually link their binary with any GPL code and let the user do that part. Since the FSF and the GPL both recognize the fair use right for people to do whatever they want with GPL software for their own use (without redistributing it), it's legal.

  8. Re:How arrogant by squidsuk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was very glad to see the GPL win here. Very very pleased, like that warm fuzzy feeling pleased.

    As was I. Having said that, I do regard the GPL as a means to an end, a way of using present copyright and licensing regimes to achieve the four freedoms for software, or something close to it. Under other circumstances, the GPL might not be necessary at all.

    My point is, the GPL is a contract that enforces the rights of creators over what they create. It is not meant to give license to everyone to freely do with the creation whatever they want, which is a view held by many people here. That view is wrong.

    Well, the GPL isn't a contract, because it's unilateral, and it's not necessary to agree to it in order to use GPL software, though redistribution is of course copyright violation unless you comply with the terms required by the GPL to permit redistribution. That's why I point out to anyone who thinks that because it's open-source it isn't copyrighted and they should be able to do what they like with it that the corollary implied is that copying and redistributed proprietary licensed software must be equally OK (or not OK).

    Why do people use the GPL over the BSD license? Why do they use a license at all?

    The obvious reason to use the GPL over the BSD license is that you know your work can't easily be rolled into proprietary code, for someone else to profit from, without ever giving back anything to you or the community. That's made worse by perpetual copyright - it wouldn't be quite so bad if the improved source code would become available anyway in a few years time, and it might also be a disincentive to lift GPL code relying on proprietary/hidden source code to hide the fact, if the developers knew that their indiscretion would become publicly visible before too long.

    I agree with the duration of copyright, but I would not back registration as such things, as we have witnessed in patent law, tend to favor those with money over those without. I'm a little concerned about the "ALL" non-commercial copying. For example, I don't think anyone should have a right to distribute a thousand copies of an album someone paid money to develop, even if they're not profiting off of it.

    Copyright duration is an obvious injustice at present. The point of registration is to ensure that only what has potential commercial value is copyrighted. For example, not every email or other document would automatically be copyright, allowing "copyright infringement" to be used against whistleblowers, and work created without the thought of commercial profit could immediately enter the public domain, instead of requiring the creators to explicitly disclaim automatic copyright.

    However, I would not want to see the registration process being controlled by a government organisation, like patents or like vehicle licensing, for obvious reasons about the way such organisations tend to become dysfunctional. Instead I would suggest a system of registration in private hands, where in order to bring suit for copyright violation it would be necessary to refer to the escrow deposit of the infringed work on a particular date. That would make it obvious whether it was still within copyright or not, and would ensure that the work became available at the expiration of copyright without being "orphaned" and lost if the original creator was no longer extant. The deposition of a copy of the work could be with a solicitor, for example, or with other organisations that might be formed for the purpose, a bit like the way domain registration works?

    As far as permitting non-commercial copying, on any scale, the theory there is that it makes it very easy to justify pursuing commercial infringement vigorously. Under those circumstances, then, I'd suggest that every non-commercial copy made actually increases the commercial value of the work, by acting as free advertising