Intel IDF Day 1 - Quad Core, Santa Rosa And More

MojoKid writes "From demos of the new Alan Wake game engine on a 3.73GHz overclocked Quad-Core QX6700 to design showcases with a wafer of 80-core teraflop capable chips, Intel's IDF opening day was brimming with tech-wonder from the company affectionately known as Chipzilla. Paul Otellini also showed pics of upcoming fab facilities in Arizona (Fab 32) and Israel (Fab 28). In total, Intel will have three 45nm fabs by the end of next year at an investment of about $9B, all targeted 45nm manufacturing processes. Finally, a bevy of Quad-Core Kentsfield-based systems are shown here, with Dell and Voodoo's offering looking especially swank."

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Grr

[in2mind]

Paul Otellini, Intel's president and CEO, kicked off this season's IDF by coining the phrase "It's what's inside that counts", and spoke about why processing power matters again.

All these years we all thought whats outside the processor that matters?

Re:Core 2 Challenge

[TheRaven64]

Unless they are running two challenges, it is to design a Mac Mini-like box to be marketed under the ViiV brand. The prize money is (as I recall) $600,000 for product development, and $400,000 for marketing. I don't know what this will do for the Apple-Intel relationship; paying people to compete harder with your customers isn't exactly the kind of thing that makes suppliers popular.

Re:Catchup again's Sun's 8 core UltraSparc T1

[TheRaven64]

Apples to oranges. The T1 is a superb chip for some workloads, and an appalling one for others. The T2, which has an FPU for each core (unlike the shared one in the T1) should do a bit better, but there are still a lot of workloads where the T1 does very badly. This is why Sun still sell UltraSPARC IV+ chips as well, and these are only dual-core.

Moving fast now, eh?

[tygerstripes]

It seems the beast has awoken. They were so far behind in the chip-war with AMD for so damn long, it seemed their market share was getting nibbled to death.

Now they finally seem to have woken up and, by god, they are really moving now, aren't they. $9bn in 45nm fabs? A wafer of 80-core chips already? Speaking as a one-time AMD Fanboi, I have to say - the daddy is back.

(Let the flaming commence)

Re:Moving fast now, eh?

[Golias]

When Apple switched to Intel chips for the Mac, a lot of people were asking "why not AMD?"

At the time, the answer from Apple was "Intel showed us their future road-map, and we wanted on board."

Now we are starting to get a glimpse of what they were talking about.

Re:Seems 80 cores isn't enough to resist the /. ef

[TheRaven64]

Sure, if you pick up Process Explorer, you'd think there's hundreds of threads running, but the truth is, most of those are idling.

Pretty much all desktop apps can be split into two categories:

1. The ones that contribute to the 5-20% load that your CPU generally sits under. (Web browsers, mail clients, music players, etc).
2. The ones that cause the load to spike at 100% for extended periods. (Audio/Video encoders, compilers, typesetting engines, etc).

Applications in category 1 will not see any benefit from a CPU that's twice as fast. That 5-20% load may drop to 2.5-10%, but no one cares. Those on category 2 will complete in half the time (assuming that they are CPU-limited and linearly scalable). As CPUs get faster, more and more things fall into category 1. Once you run out of things in category 2, stop upgrading. This happened for a lot of people about five years ago.

I recently found out about an interesting experiment Intel did a few years back. They have a full-system simulator that allows them to test various things easily. They modified it so that all CPU operations took zero (simulated) time to complete. This gave about a 2.5x speed improvement for most tasks, i.e. an infinitely fast CPU only gave a 2.5x speed boost to most tasks. It doesn't take a huge speed increase before you run out of CPU-limited things and start hitting memory, disk, and network bottlenecks.

Wow...

[neoprog]

I don't really feel like dual-core has really even reached any kind of saturation point in terms of how many people own a dual-core processor. I can't believe (but I do thank) Intel for pushing ahead and making good tech affordable to everyone. I spent a small fortune building the box I'm typing this on (with an AMD x2 socket AM2 4600+). And I know I got a little burned by the am2, but I think the upgrade path will stay clear for a while. I wish I could have waited, but I needed a computer for college and this was top-end about 4 months ago. I loved AMD when they had the better stuff, and now I love Intel, cause the core2's kick butt. When AMD catches up, that's when I'll upgrade my 4600+. ;) prog

I Was Just Starting To Like Intel Again!

[chromozone]

From the article:

"Paul Otellini, Intel's president and CEO, kicked off this season's IDF by coining the phrase "It's what's inside that counts", and spoke about why processing power matters again"

But then this in another article covering the same event:

"Otellini briefly responded to concerns that Intel's first quad-core packages are simply "glued-together" dual-core processors while AMD is working on a native, single-die quad-core chip. "So what?," said Otellini, adding, "The public doesn't care what's inside a processor."

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/09/26/intel_core_2_qua d_announcement/

In yet another article in Ars Technica we read that Intel is look to an 80 core chip. I like the Core 2 Duo a lot but I hope the Intel megahertz fixation isn't just going to become a "core" fixation .

  http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060926-7840 .html

Robert Moses built a lot of bridges and roads around New york hoping to relieve congestion but it had the counter-intuitive effect of creating more traffic. I hope all the increases in size and power of computers doesnt just bring more garbage. With all the legacy code bloat, and things like video cards that get hot as toasters and power supplies that waste energy (the Google thing) I think computing could use a few reductions instead of increases. In that regard it's nice to see the Core 2 Duo bring down the wattage.

Re:Core 2 Challenge

[NatasRevol]

I wonder if Apple/Steve Jobs could just walk in to Paul Otellini's office and ask for the $1M check?