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The Decade of the N64

1up is running a piece looking back at the ten years since the N64's launch. The start of Nintendo's slump, the N64 still managed to come out of the console wars with some great and lasting memories, like GoldenEye, Smash Bros., and Ocarina of Time. From the article: "Nintendo certainly gave players plenty of time to get all 120 stars. By the end of 1996, the N64 still had fewer than a dozen games, and even that anemic library was glutted with mediocrity like Mortal Kombat Trilogy and Cruis'n USA. Sure, there were gems like Mario Kart 64 and Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, and there was the stubborn optimism of Nintendo of America President Howard Lincoln (who insisted N64 games sold more than 250,000 per title), but industry commentators were starting to see through the emperor's clothes. Meanwhile, Sony was turning up the heat with massive blockbusters like Final Fantasy VII." The Press the Buttons blog has some additional commentary on Nintendo's first 'meh' console.

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  1. Uh Perfect Dark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those other games mentioned in the summary are great, but Perfect Dark was the best action game for the N64, more so then Goldeneye. 5 page article and only one mention of it.

    1. Re:Uh Perfect Dark? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing could truly perpare you for unlocking darksims, eagerly loading them into the next slo-motion multiplayer game and watching them spin their torso around and shooting at you while continuing to climb a ladder.

      List 'o memories:

      -You killing Elvis' friend in the underwater mission. "Everything's going wrong!" while he tears at his hair in an eerily poignant moment.
      -The amusing lines of other guards when you headshot someone in another room with a silenced weapon. "MY GOD! Whhhyyyyyy!"
      -The bonus mission where you replay an earlier level but get access to other areas (alien suicide mission to blow up the spaceship so it doesn't fall into human hands). I always liked those "you should not be here..." wall textures in other early FPS.
      -...and Morgan Freeman as "The President"
      -Laptop sentry guns saving the day in combat simulator challenge missions

    2. Re:Uh Perfect Dark? by Captain+Spam · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Nothing could truly perpare you for unlocking darksims, eagerly loading them into the next slo-motion multiplayer game and watching them spin their torso around and shooting at you while continuing to climb a ladder.


      If I recall something Rare said before on their letters page, they specifically made the Dark Sims to be unfair. Like, they could shoot from ladders like that, they could run faster than you could, they could fire without reloading, they could get infinite ammo at their whims, they could see through walls, etc. And I could swear I once saw a Dark Sim that I killed simply fade away and immediately respawn elsewhere, instead of flailing backward and taking a few seconds to respawn like any other player/sim.

      I kinda liked that. If you're so l33t at PD that you can take on anything, it'll give you something blatantly unfair to deal with. Except on that same letters page, they still admitted that none of the sims of any skill knew how to deal with explosions (either firing or reacting to an explosion in progress).

      That's another thing about the N64. They had an interesting amount of quirks to their games. Or maybe that was just Rare's N64 days. Ah, fun.
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  2. Meh? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Press the Buttons blog has some additional commentary on Nintendo's first 'meh' console.

    I'm not following this sudden 'meh' comment. The N64 was a great machine with a lot of great games. Its only real failing was that it was bloody expensive due to its cartridge format. Nintendo still had a solid base going into the Gamecube. It's just too bad they pissed it away with a poor launch lineup, loss of third party support, and a rather small library of *good* games.

    Probably the biggest blow, however, was the loss of Rare and its properties. Rare carried the N64 with its Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie, and Conqeror titles. Unfortunately, the loss was internal to Rare, so there wasn't much Nintendo could do other than unload it. :(
    1. Re:Meh? by Amalas · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm not following this sudden 'meh' comment. The N64 was a great machine with a lot of great games.
      I agree. The N64 was the first console I ever had and it was great! Ocarina was the first game I ever beat and I wasted sooo much time playing Goldeneye.

      I did finally trade in the 64 to get a Gamecube, but I believe I kept the Ocarina game for sentimental value. Or something.

      Anyway, how dare they call the N64 'meh'!
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    2. Re:Meh? by Zardus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok: Rage Wars, Super Smash Bros, Jetforce Gemini, Bomberman 64, Mario Party. That's 10 absolutely amazing games for the N64. Some of them are unrivaled to this day by any current offerings (I have yet to play a console shooter that is as diverse and fun as Perfect Dark. The amount of weapons, levels, bots, options, etc in that game was staggering. Also, Bomberman 64 is the best bomberman game ever made and the only one worth playing, IMO). Some of these were only surpassed by sequels (Super Smash Bros), and many practically defined current/last-gen gaming.

      Although from that list, 8 of the titles had multiplayer play as one of their biggest features (sure, you could play Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, and Bomberman single-player, and we did, but a huge part of those games was playing with/against your friends), so if you didn't have many friends that played video games back then the N64 probably wasn't for you. Me and my brother had 3 or 4 friends over every weekend, and there would always be at least 4 of us crowding the N64. We played every multiplayer game on that list for hundreds of hours. Every group of friends I hung out at the time had and played the N64, and every gathering would see 4-player of some game or other. To us, the Playstation was a laughingstock. There was absolutely no value in it. Sure, you could sit alone playing FFVII or whatnot, or you could all hang out and have insane amounts of fun playing the N64. So, it was the N64 for us.

      I didn't even know that the PSX outsold the N64 until well into the Gamecube era. I started hearing that Sony won that generation and was very confused, because out of probably 15 or so people that we played games with regularly, only 2 had a playstation.

      Its the same with the Gamecube for me. I have no interest in most single-player games. The only exception to that this generation has been Mario Sunshine and Zelda Wind Waker. Those are my two single-player games. My multiplayer games are: Super Smash Bros Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, Wario Ware, Zelda Four Swords, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, some Mario Parties, Monkey Ball, F-Zero GX, Pacman VS, and so on. All the gamecube is missing is a decent shooter (the closest I know of this generation on any console is Halo, but Halo pales in comparison with Perfect Dark, so we play Perfect Dark on the 64 instead).

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    3. Re:Meh? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I don't remember playing much of anything after that.


      *deep breath*

      Mario Party 1-3, Mario Kart 64, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Star Fox 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong 64, BlastCorp, Diddy Kong Racing, Killer Instinct Gold, Banjo-Tooie, Wave Race 64, Mario Golf, Super Smash Bros., F-Zero X, Hydro Thunder, SF Rush, SF Rush 2049, and that's without even trying.

      You must have had your head stuck in the sand to not be able to find a good game, especially considering that the N64 had a much higher signal to noise ratio than the Playstation.
    4. Re:Meh? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Nintendo totally bailed on Rare at the right time.

      Yeah, no kidding. Because the loss was internal to Rare. (Is there an echo in here?) Rare lost the programmers that made it Rare, then went down the tube quickly. There was nothing Nintendo could do except unload it. (There's that echo again.)
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  4. It wasn't great, but Mencia wasn't entirely right by shadexiii · · Score: 2, Informative
    Goldeneye, Starfox, Smash Bros, Mario, Mario Kart, Star Wars Pod Racer, the two zelda games, the other star wars game that was good yet I can't remember the name of. It wasn't that there weren't great games, there simply weren't games falling from the sky like rain.

    It wasn't a 'meh' console, it was simply one that had had quality and not quantity. I'd still play mine if the controllers weren't prone to get that wobbly joystick feeling after almost no time. I guess that's my only complaint, the controllers sucked in terms of quality.

  5. Ahh, such a good console! by chebucto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will any game ever be better than F1 World Grand Prix? I seriously doubt it. If there is a better game in existence, it's probably GoldenEye, or Ocarina. The N64 kicked ass.

    oh, and by the way, does anyone else here prefer the cartridge format? No danger of scratches, quick load-times, generally a physically strong media.

    With today's cheap and expansive flash memory, shouldn't someone be thinking about bringing cartridges back? Surely 1-2GB is enough for passably good graphics

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  6. As Someone Who Still Owns One by aarmenaa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really thought the N64 was a fun system. For many years I got a game for my birthday and a game for christmas, and built up a pretty decent library. Honestly, I can't say that the single player was worth repeating in many of those games. But, the multiplayer almost always shined, at least with the games I bought. Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Smash Brothers, Starfox, Perfect Dark, and more were just really, really fun when you could get lots people to play with you, which was easy for me since I had 3 siblings.

    The system did have it's problems, but every system does. The controller was "weird" at best, and it was pretty expensive. It was also hard to separate the crap from the games you'd want to buy. I managed about 20 games before the system went out of date, but man it took some looking. You also saw a lot of experimental games on the N64, which were later refined for next gen systems. Harvest Moon wasn't a great game, but it was intresting. I've heard there's a Gamecube version of the game. I'd like to see how that shaped up sometime.

    Then again, the N64 was the last console I bought. I didn't buy a gamecube, any portable systems, nothing. So, I may be little biased towards the 64, especially since I still play it. I have a computer. It's not the fastest, but the video card cost me less than a console and graphics look at least as good. I don't count the entire cost of the computer, because the rest of the hardware I'd have anyways.

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  7. First Meh Console? Virtual Boy! by TibbonZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd say that Nintendo's first released flop was the Virtual Boy. It wasn't quite portable, but it wasn't quite a home VR system either. Sales were horrible, people had headaches, and games all in red just look bad!

    I personally think that the N64 was pretty darn good! Mario 64 was great, as were the Zelda games. Ok, it wasn't a huge library of tons and tons of games, but quite a few were very high quality. Nintendo was thinking outside the box a bit with Smash Bros, and started on the 'party game' thing again, something that Sony only got a bit of with DDR and guitar hero, and MSFT has been left out mostly on IMHO. Sure Sony/MSFT can put out a lot of pretty games, but nintendo makes just fun ones that still are fun, and to my eyes don't look that dated, as they weren't made to be 'the super pretty hyper-realistic games'. They were meant to be fun. There's a reason that I still have a 8 bit, and 16 bit nintendo sitting around, AND two game boy advances. I also have a PS2, but I don't have an Xbox/Xbox 360, or a PS1. Nor will I have a PSP, etc. I just want fun games.

    Of course Nintendo's first super stupid major flop, was the falling out with Sony while developing the PS1.

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  8. N64 was where I learned I outgrew Zelda by shawn443 · · Score: 2

    I got my NES with my paper route money as soon as it came out and could afford it. As a kid I loved Zelda and company. The Super NES came out when I was in High School but I was too busy spending my money on other things to purchase that. While I was in the Marines the Play Station came out and I was seriously impressed. Still I had my loyalty with Nintendo and bought the N64. I regretted that. While there were some mature games it seemed to me that Nintendo was focused on saving the princess type games while my buddies were rescuing hostages and watching tangos heads explode with their PlayStation. If I were to buy another gaming console, I now realize that I am in no mood for another installment of Mario. Maybe I'm wrong and the Wii will have more games for a 30 year old, but I suspect most games will still be in the kill the Koopa vein.

  9. Ahh, nostalgia. by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has it really been 10 years since I was in college? Wow.

    I remember the day the N64 came out, my roommates and I rented one (and Mario,) and played Mario non-stop until we finished it. Different roommates would take over as others had to go to classes. But we finally finished it. Four days later. We played through the night, a few of us even skipping a class or two. That game was played for about 96 hours straight. It was cool.

    Hopefully Wii can bring back that feeling.

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  10. N64! by joe+155 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Brilliant, I got mine with Goldeneye, a fantastic game and still the gold standard for FPSs, Then there was Zelda:OoT, a perfect game, stunning in every way, then Majora's mask - even better. The best game ever. In fact it was one of the best systems I've ever owned, and my first downloads on the wii back game system will be n64 games.

    Simply stunning, no room for "meh"

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    1. Re:N64! by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The entire point of the game was the 3 day 'cutoff'! It was an absolutely brilliant device that added a ton of urgency to the game.

      That said, the so-called "time limit" wasn't even much of a factor for most things. It was mainly used for repeating certain events so that you can figure out peoples schedules, and get some of the optional masks or heart pieces. Did you miss an event? Oops, reset the timer, fast-forward to where you want to be, and do it again. 30 seconds lost.

      My guess is that you never even tried it. Just like most of the people who think that Wind Waker sucks have never even played it. (IMO, Wind Waker has one of the most believable, cohesive worlds ever presented in a video game. Sure, there are flaws, but no game except Tetris is perfect.)

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  11. Re:It'sa me, Mario! by freakboy9 · · Score: 2

    For me, 'Eternal Darkness' and nothing else.
    SSBM was ok too, but it really required friends.. :)

  12. Re:It'sa me, Mario! by kyouteki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh, right, I forget this is Slashdot...

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  13. Re:It wasn't great, but Mencia wasn't entirely rig by discstickers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think he mean Rouge Squadron

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  14. My First and Last Console by LeglessMoof · · Score: 4, Interesting

    N64 was my first console ever, and also my last (although I am considering buying a Wii). I played my fair share of games for SNES, GameCube, and PlayStation 2 at friends' houses but I never owned any of those systems. I bought the N64 a couple weeks after launch. As I was only 12 at the time, my friend and I pooled our money together to buy one and he had to trade in his SNES. (Eventually we pooled our money to buy a 2nd one so we each had one.)

    So perhaps I am a bit biased in my opinion, but I always thought N64 was an underrated system. Who could forget such great games as:

    Super Mario 64
    Starfox 64
    Goldeneye 007
    Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    Super Smash Bros.
    Donkey Kong 64
    Mario Kart 64
    Perfect Dark
    Turok: Dinosaur Hunter

    I also got many hours of enjoyment out of the following games, even though most people considered them to be mediocre:

    Mario Party 3
    Mario Tennis
    Waverace 64
    Blast Corps
    Gauntlet Legends
    Diddy Kong Racing
    Misson: Impossible
    NFL Blitz
    Quest 64

    With the exception of NFL Blitz and Gauntlet Legends, all of those titles were exclusive to N64. In the past 10 years, I have only seen 4 non-PC games that would make me want to give up my N64 for a different console:

    Guitar Hero (PS2)
    Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2)
    Super Smash Bros Melee (GameCube)
    Mario Party 7 (GameCube)

    I am not going to deny that there weren't other good console games out there, but I certainly wasn't exposed to them....

  15. Re:Fitting that it's been 10 years. by grapeape · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I dont think it was so much that Nintendo's quality went down as much as what gamers wanted went from gameplay to pretty graphics. Paper Mario was a great game but compare it to the pretty cinematics of Final Fantasy 7 and which one would you pick? I would even be willing to say that the majority were willing to lower their standards a bit for prettier games. Sony was able to build enough hype of the playstation and a general belief that if a game is bigger in size its better in quality and continued to build on that with the PS2.

    This generation is IMHO the first one in a long time where they are all starting out even, 3rd party support is bigger than its been in a long time for Nintendo but they still have the half true-half false tarnished legacy of the past, Sony has brough itself back to the pack with its pricing scheme, delays and lackluster launch titles and the 360 is still plodding along with all the baggage that the Microsoft name lends to the console. I really think this is going to be the first true "console war" since the SNES vs Genesis vs Turbografx days.

  16. PS vs N64 by bussdriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    PS: 50+ copied games
    played 8 of them
    replayed 3
    heavily played 1

    N64: 12 games, many rented
    played 11
    replayed 9
    heavily played 3

    The best game of the period, Mario Kart 64:
    Priceless.

  17. Innovation by marshallh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This article seems to miss the point that the N64 introduced a number of new things that Sony shamelessly copied - take the Rumble Pak and analog stick for example.

    The games are different from the PSX - Mostly "meh" titles, and maybe a dozen games that were to die for.

    I'm currently developing homebrew for the N64, and from a hardware standpoint, the design is very forward-looking. The RCP 3d coproccessor was fully upgradable - the game transferred microcode to the RCP to tell it how to draw polygons, for example. This was a very sensible design choice - as Nintendo optimized their Fast3D microcode, you got better speed in the game you were developing.
    Unfortunately, Nintendo neutralized that advantage by not making microcode tools available until it was too late - some developers did some amazing things by writing their own microcode (Boss Games, and Rare for example)
    It was a pretty solid design, the only glaring limitation I can think of is the small (4KB) texture cache and high memory latency (making the N64 fill rate limited, instead of polygon limited.)

    It's a shame Nintendo didn't make it easier to develop for - it seems they kinda pulled a Sega with it, and lost some 3rd party support. In any case, it's quite an adventure to learn about.

  18. I still disagree. by justchris · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I had both a PS1 and an n64. The n64 clearly had more rally good games than the PS1 did. The PS1 just had more games, and, specifically, it hard RPGs and Racing games, something the n64 significantly lacked. I don't actually like racing sim type games (I prefer arcade style racers), so half of that issue never bothered me.

    To this date, I think the n64 is probably the console I had the most fun with. The quality of the games was superb. PS1 was great fora single player experience, but I was still in university at the time, in a house full of roommates, so the n64 got at least 20x the play time of the PS1.

    There were genres that were invented on the n64, as well as techniques that redefined existing genre's. There still has not be an FPS on any console that compares to Goldeneye or Perfect Dark, either one. This is not nostalgia speaking, I still play these games occasionally. For all the framerate issues and decreased graphics, they are just that good.

    In some ways, I think GC was more disappointing. It hasn't produced nearly as much that has invigorated console gaming. All the innovation and newness has been on the PS2, with GC and Xbox presenting a lot of the same old, same old. Of course, I suppose that's to be expected, the PS philosophy is to keep throwing rice at the wall, and eventually something will stick.

    And now, in handhelds, the DS is doing what the n64 and PS2 did before it, it remains to be seen which of the 3 upcoming (or 2 upcoming +1 existing) consoles will actually move videogaming forward.

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