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BBC Signs 'Memo of Understanding' With Microsoft

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has signed a memorandum of understanding with the BBC for 'strategic partnerships' in the development of next-generation digital broadcasting techniques. They are also speaking to other companies such as Real and Linden Labs. Windows Media Centre platform, Windows Live Messenger application and the Xbox 360 console have all been suggested as potential gateways for BBC content. It is unclear how this impacts on existing BBC research projects such as Dirac, although it is understood that the BBC would face heavy criticism if its content was only available via Microsoft products."

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  1. I wonder what the BBC will get from this by chrisbtoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems to me that Microsoft are the big winner here. Their attempts to enter the TV market have failed several times, whereas the BBC has been at the forefront of digital TV R&D for years.

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    1. Re:I wonder what the BBC will get from this by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft is always the big winner. I don't want to give too much detail but I just attended a conference at which the keynote speaker was supposed to be a guy from microsoft's hospitality division. He was coming on second, after some people from the company holding the conference. Each of them (three I think?) mentioned the Xbox 360 even though it really had no relevance WHATSOEVER to what we were talking about - obviously a blatant Microsoft advertisement. Well the Microsoft guy didn't bother to show up but he sent some of his peons instead and they gave a really bland, boring presentation to a room that was about half technical staff - with NO TECHNICAL INFORMATION WHATSOEVER. They also utterly failed to give a back-slap back to the conference holders in exchange for whoring themselves out to sell Xboxes.

      there's a They Might Be Giants lyric that I like to always keep in mind when discussing Microsoft: "Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding / This is where the party ends" and it goes on from there (the song is called "your racist friend" IIRC, and the racism isn't really applicable here so I stop quoting) but the point is, everyone who makes a deal with Microsoft comes out behind, and Microsoft always comes out ahead. I often wonder why those morons at Sun decided to hop into bed with Microsoft again, can't they see it will kill them eventually?

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  2. The first in a long line. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Funny

    Next week, Apple will sign a 'Memo of Screw You' with Microsoft.

  3. Dirac... by jginspace · · Score: 3, Funny

    It is unclear how this impacts on existing BBC research projects such as Dirac...

    Is this the Dirac project that's being run by the Duke Nukem team?

    1. Re:Dirac... by jginspace · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dirac is out there and has been for a long time

      Oh yes indeed. There's even a video to watch while you're waiting...

      BTW, more info on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_(codec).

  4. I'd welcome WMA by onion2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The sooner the BBC move to a format that isn't RealVideo the better; even WMA would be preferable to RA.

    1. Re:I'd welcome WMA by mallardtheduck · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most BBC content is available in both Real and Windows Media formats.

    2. Re:I'd welcome WMA by BiggyP · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is horrible news, how exactly is Microsoft DRM a better option than cross platform Real formats? At least Real provide a linux compatible player.

    3. Re:I'd welcome WMA by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He didn't say DRM. The BBC would have no interest in DRM anyway.

      We're closer to having FOSS wmv3 support than we are RM support. Either way, it doesn't matter, RM sucks.

    4. Re:I'd welcome WMA by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Most BBC content is available in both Real and Windows Media formats.
      Oh great. So either I install a crappy Real player or a crappy Microsoft player. Or a crappy CODEC for Quicktime that screws up every other app and/or freezes my machine for 30 seconds every time I open a real/windows media file.

      Screw all this, the BBC should simply use the real current standard: H.264 with AAC audio. And don't tell me "that's an Apple-only thing" just because Apple happens to like H.264/AAC.

  5. Issues of access? by 6031769 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the BBC's own coverage of this story, there is a quote from Mr. Gates himself:

    Bill Gates said: "Microsoft's strength is in driving digital innovation, and our vision is to open up rich, new consumer experiences that allow people to enjoy digital content anytime, anywhere and on any device.

    "This vision fits squarely with the BBC's charter to lead the industry in delivering content that is compelling and accessible."

    It's the last word there which is giving me qualms. Just how does signing agreements with the most proprietary business on earth qualify as extending access?
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    1. Re:Issues of access? by GotenXiao · · Score: 2, Funny

      OK, I'll agree with that. Microsoft's strength is driving innovation.

      Because everyone's sick and fucking tired of all the crashes, BSODs, virii and spyware. The privacy invasions help, too.

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    2. Re:Issues of access? by cepayne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However pressure may be placed on the BBC to make it difficult,
      or downright impossible for Non-MS software/OS users to partake
      in their media experience. Hasn't history repeated itself enough
      for our generation to catch on to this?

      Microsoft has a bad habit of making other companies proprietary
      to suit their own portfolio.

      This may be all that MS has to grasp on to, once they are out of the
      PC O.S. business. ....except for all those vague U.S. patents.

      Becoming their new business model for the next decade or 3.

  6. Explanation by mallardtheduck · · Score: 3, Informative

    All this means is that BBC content will be available through Microsoft's distribution channels, in addition to the current distribution channels. Hardly newsworthy.

  7. how annoying, by joe+155 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I pay a hell of a lot of money to the BBC every year*, all I want in return is that all of their digital content to be available through open source technology... this is a step in the wrong direction, or at best a side step. Why can't they also make it work with something like Helix player?

    *which they largely squander on stupidly high pay for the executives whilst sacking many of the people responsible for content - Damn them.

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  8. Windows Media Player 11 by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't wait until television companies start requiring people to install WMP11 to watch their content. WMP11 has a horrendous licensing agreement when it comes to DRM infected downloads and your inability to back them up.

  9. Who the BBC is by Budenny · · Score: 2, Informative

    You need to understand who the BBC is and how it is funded. In the UK it is illegal (it is actually a criminal offense) to watch TV unless you, in effect, subscribe to the UK State Broadcaster. This is done by means of the so called 'license fee' - a license to watch TV, all of the receipts from which go to the BBC.

    As a result, one of the main activities of magistrates courts in the UK is to jail single mothers for not subscribing to the BBC. One conjectures that neither these ladies nor their children have the slightest interest in watching the BBC, but they will pay for it anyway, and if not, go to jail.

    The fee is not small. It is well north of $150 a year. It rises every year, faster than inflation. It is probably one of the most regressive taxes ever devised, and falls most heavily on those who can least afford it.

    The BBC then spends substantial amounts of this money to go into new businesses which are already perfectly well covered by the private sector, and it usually succeeds owing to its ability to do cross marketing - magazines linked to shows. So the UK State Broadcaster is also the UK State Magazine Publisher, and is the largest magazine publisher in the UK.

    Now we read that the BBC is to strike a strategic agreement with Microsoft. Will anyone be in the least surprised when this turns out to be a vehicle for further attempts to raise the license fee still further, and to extend the BBC's activities still further?

    What we in the UK need more than anything is to make subscription to the State Broadcaster optional, and to stop jailing poor people for the crime of wanting to watch some other TV channels, while not subscribing to it.

    It is as if, in the US, you were obliged to buy a copy of the NY Times, or commit a criminal offense every time you read a newspaper. It is as if you could only buy a PC with Windows on it. These are the same people, with the same basic attitudes: compulsion is good.

    1. Re:Who the BBC is by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You need to understand who the BBC is and how it is funded. In the UK it is illegal (it is actually a criminal offense) to watch TV unless you, in effect, subscribe to the UK State Broadcaster. This is done by means of the so called 'license fee' - a license to watch TV, all of the receipts from which go to the BBC.

      Actually, it's only illegal to own a receiver on which you receive public broadcasts without paying a license.

      The fee is not small. It is well north of $150 a year. It rises every year, faster than inflation. It is probably one of the most regressive taxes ever devised, and falls most heavily on those who can least afford it.

      You could say the same about road tax. Much like road tax, it is only paid by people who own and use cars on the public roads. However, most of us realise that the roads are a sufficiently useful public service that this is necessary. Many of us also realise that the same applies both to the TV and the radio.

      The BBC also does a very good job of keeping down the number of adverts on commercial TV, too. If you don't believe me, come spend some time over here (the US) and watch some cable (which costs more anually than the license fee). A whole heck of a lot more ads than Channel 5, that's for sure.

      What we in the UK need more than anything is to make subscription to the State Broadcaster optional, and to stop jailing poor people for the crime of wanting to watch some other TV channels, while not subscribing to it.

      It is. Don't pick up broadcasts, and you won't have to pay the tax. Of course you'll be a bit of a hipocrite if you ever listen to one of the BBCs many radio stations, or ever use its website, but it isn't illegal to be a hipocrite without a license.

      And you're also forgetting the final thing. The BBC seems to have the ability to
      piss off the Government more than any other organisation in England. That is a public service which would be cheap at twice the price.

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    2. Re:Who the BBC is by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fee is not small. It is well north of $150 a year. It rises every year, faster than inflation. It is probably one of the most regressive taxes ever devised, and falls most heavily on those who can least afford it.

      Dude. That's *12* dollars a month... 12 dollars! And it's on a f'ing luxury (yes, TV is a luxury... if you're a single mother who can't spare $12/month, you've got other problems and should probably just sacrifice the damn TV). In exchange, you have world-class media coverage on multiple formats, and online content that's only just being seen in other countries, and most of it without commercials! Seriously, you don't understand how great you have it.

      If the alternative is that I have to pay more money for crappier content *and* have to watch 20 minutes of commercials per hour... I'll pay the damn $12, thank you very much.

    3. Re:Who the BBC is by Ma8thew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Parent comment is at best, biased, bordering on lies. For a start, you cannot go to prison for evading the license fee, the punishment is a £1000 fine. Secondly, although growing slightly above inflation, it has only gained £11.50 since 1968, which is fair enough IMO, considering the Internet content and 4 extra TV channels added since then, as well as several Radio channels (the fee pays for radio programming on the BBC as well). Thirdly the BBC is actually the Third largest magazine publisher in the UK, and the magazines are published by BBC Magazines, a subsidary of BBC Worldwide, which is not funded by the license fee in any way shape or form.

    4. Re:Who the BBC is by Burz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its amazing how many people just don't get it:

      Since an organization's revenue stream will ultimately determine its biases, the BBC is funded independantly of the tax system. Charging a license fee in a "one-viewer-one-vote" fashion avoids conflicts of interest in covering both the private sector and state affairs. This helps dispell greed and political interference in how it goes about its job.

      If the BBC received significant funds from tax revenue, then it would be a state-controlled broadcaster.

      If they scaled the fee according to an individual's means, then their bias would slant toward serving the interests of the wealthy (which is what many anti-licensing activists very badly want).

      A flat fee may not be a good model for many services. But for an organization that is supposed to serve the entire public without bias, to reflec that society which it serves, and to serve as a watchdog, IMO you cannot do better.

      By just being in the wider broadcasting market, they change it for the better.

    5. Re:Who the BBC is by Burz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm with you. Having seen the difference between BBC content and the crap available here I think the results are in: state-funded broadcasting works better and costs less.

      The BBC isn't state-funded. It's a public corporation funded by a flat amount that each viewer pays in the form of a license fee.

  10. Re:I wonder... by Ajehals · · Score: 2, Funny

    I assume that's a joke (unless Microsoft is planning on buying the UK)

  11. Re:I wonder... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Privatization is not unheard of.

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  12. graveyards? by Lactoso · · Score: 2, Funny
    "There are graveyards of companies that have signed "memos of understanding" with Microsoft."

    Is this anything like Stephen King's pet cemetary, cause that would be really cool.

    {in creepy, fresh from the grave voice} I'm cooomming to geeettt youuuu Billll Gatteesss...

  13. Re:Not really an option by celardore · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I wonder how they would deal with a computer that had a TV tuner card installed? You could definitely 'watch TV' without owning a TV these days ... a HTPC with a tuner card, and then just use a suitably big monitor, or a DLP projector. No TV, just a computer, but you'd have all the capabilities.


    If you have a TV tuner card, that counts. If you don't have a licence then you can be prosecuted. The TV licencing folk are like pitbulls, and they have some similar rights as baliffs the way I understand it.

    I hate the TV licence. When I first moved out from home, I did not own a TV but the licence people still sent me letters saying "You don't appear to have a TV licence, please get one." I phoned them and said I don't have a TV, they still sent letters. I replied to these letters, but there is no convincing them you don't own a TV. A few more letters and they were threatening to send the inspectors round. I found this link which has some various experiences of the TV Licencing strategies.