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Invisible Unmanned Aircraft

MattSparkes writes, "A Minnesota company, VeraTech, has applied for a patent on an unmanned drone that is nearly invisible to the naked eye. The Phantom Sentinel takes advantage of the phenomenon where fast moving objects appear as only a blur, so it fades out of view once it speeds up. This is achieved by rotating the entire craft. The center of gravity is in open air between two of the blade-like wings. There are some videos of a prototype in action on the VeraTech site." The company says you could get usable video of the terrain by processing the images from a spinning camera. One version of the drone is small enough to launch by throwing it like a boomerang. And it folds for travel.

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  1. Invisible spinning boomerang planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    'Catch!'

    'Ouch'

    1. Re:Invisible spinning boomerang planes by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Funny

      have you seen the photo in TFA? ...

      Private Jones: So what's the boomerang doing now? What can you see?

      Private Smith: Its heading straight toward some dumb looking shmuck wearing those gay VR goggles.... hey what the..?!!

    2. Re:Invisible spinning boomerang planes by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

      Allright, who's the wiseguy that gave Nerf a defense contract?

  2. Invisible by TheRecklessWanderer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is that really invisible? It looked like they just changed the focus of the camera. Plus, I really wouldn't want to be the pilot. Holy bed spins. Er, just kidding, but it really didn't look too invisible.

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    1. Re:Invisible by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This looks designed to be robotic, so don't worry about the pilot.

      And, while not completely invisible, it has a much lower visual signature than anything else of comperable size. I'm just not quite sure what the use is: it probably has a higher radar cross-section, so it's fairly useless as a spy-plane. The only thing you are really hiding from are people. Or civilians. Might be usefull as a close-rage spybot on a battlefield, but anybody with smart weapons can see and hit it quickly.

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    2. Re:Invisible by Dan+Slotman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What was the last war the USA fought against anyone with smart weapons? My guess is that this is being marketed toward the needs of warfar against low-tech enemies using guerilla techniques. I could also anticipate use as a "look over this next hill" tool where you only need 30 seconds of flight. If a smart missile is only 30 seconds out I think you may have bigger problems.

    3. Re:Invisible by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it probably has a higher radar cross-section, so it's fairly useless as a spy-plane. The only thing you are really hiding from are people. Or civilians. Might be usefull as a close-rage spybot on a battlefield, but anybody with smart weapons can see and hit it quickly.

      So...
      Usefull against an insurgency.
      Not usefull if invading the swiss.

      I wonder if anyone concerned with insurgencies has got some kind of large military budget... they might want a few of these.

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    4. Re:Invisible by ndrw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In other words, it's perfect for the asymmetric battlefield that the US and other technologically advanced societies are on today, where the "enemy" and "civilians" are indistinguishable, and you need to watch them without being discovered. This will save lives.

    5. Re:Invisible by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

      might actually be pretty useful against the Swiss

      Oh I don't think so.

      Chuck one of those at the thing and it's sure to go down.

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  3. Hmm by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 2, Informative

    I see three poor quality videos that have been edited to make the craft blur out.

  4. Re:Hmm by thewils · · Score: 5, Funny

    No no no, what you're seeing is the craft edited into the video in the first place. You can't see it normally 'cos it's invisible.

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  5. No it isn't invisible by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    but it is close.... Yet another misleading /. subject header.

    The basic idea is that the plane flies by rotating and, just as a fan blade or propeller becomes close to invisible when spinning, this aircraft might too.

    Of course visibility to the naked eye is only a very small part of invisibility. This thing probably sticks out like dogs balls on radar.

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    1. Re:No it isn't invisible by russ1337 · · Score: 2, Funny

      >> "This thing probably sticks out like dogs balls on radar."

      Excuse my asking, but how well do Dog-balls stand out on Radar?

    2. Re:No it isn't invisible by onkelonkel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Removing the dog balls from the B-2 bomber reduced its radar return by 42%.

      Really.

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    3. Re:No it isn't invisible by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Informative
      All anti-air weapons come with radars these days, you're not going to hit a UAV with an AK-47 no matter how good of a shot you are.
      Incorrect. As my sibling poster noted, man-portable SAMs are strictly eyeball acquisition, passive IR seek*. Engage you brain for a moment and consider how much electricity a regular old microwave oven needs-- 700 watts, at least. Well, a search radar system would require more electrical power than that, not to mention it would also be larger and quite a bit heavier. The SA-8 Gecko is about the smallest radar guided SAM system you'll find, and it weighs 9000kg, has six wheels, and moves about by means of a diesel engine. I guarantee "terrorists in caves" aren't hiding a single one of these or anything like it.

      * The SA-16 GIMLET uses a combined "two color" IR and UV seeker, but is little more than a minor evolutionary dead end designed to overcome flares. Higher definition image-based IR techniques have proven more effective.
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  6. Wow! by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Informative

    I opened the video in Kaffeine, and all I saw was a huge black square! Wow! These things are _really_ invisible!

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  7. Re:less visible more radar by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The site has a photo of two kids in flea market knockoff BDUs. One is wearing set of, probably broken, VR goggles and the other has $7.99 Tasco folding binoculars around his neck.

    Somehow I get the feeling these people are not going to impress anyone in US military procurement enough to get much more than laughed at.

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  8. Image Resolutions by TeachingMachines · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would take another incredible invention to get usable photos from this thing, photos with any decent resolution. Seems like a fun toy, but how could a camera composite the images?

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    1. Re:Image Resolutions by nelsonal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um if the camera is in the middle doesn't that effectivly negate the whole premise for why the thing is not visible to the naked eye?

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  9. Problem/Solution by hypnagogue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Problem: new drone design rotates so quick the human eye can't see it.
    Solution: strobing LCD glasses.

    Once again a $50M defense project defeated by $30 worth of hardware.

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    1. Re:Problem/Solution by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah that works.. if you know where to look. How does that help you if you don't know they're coming?

      If the insurgents are wearing stroby glasses all the time or constantly look around shaking their hands in front of their faces, they're going to be pretty easy to identify.

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    2. Re:Problem/Solution by Plutonite · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a hippie and I find your comment mildly offensive. If you added long hair to that description I would have you reported to the blog's moderators.

    3. Re:Problem/Solution by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Meh. Just get them to think that looking for planes is somebody else's problem.

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  10. Not that great by Zebra_X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have a look at the site. The first two demo videos blur the craft out towards the end of the clip to give the impression of being invisible. I reality, the craft is not that invisible - it certainly has a center of rotation that is clearly visible, and in many ways it looks like a very large boomerang.

    On of the largest drawbacks I can see is that the drone does spin around, and around and around. It will be very difficult to fit a useful payload on a craft like this. It's design is such that the cargo room for anything but the operational parts is severly limited. I might add, how does one determine the direction of travel when one's compass is constantly spinning around?

    Also the amount of post processing needed to create a useful video feed from such a craft makes it almost impractical for use. Not to mention that other detection systems (IR comes to mind) would be largely incompatible with the operation of this machine.

    Finally, the web site has clearly been created by the guy in the videos. It's also clear that he's completely infatuated with intellectual property. I think his craft is interesting, but in a novelty sort of way.

  11. Waste of money... by ltwally · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Military drones fly at extremely high altitudes. Thus, they don't have to worry about being spotted by the naked eye. They're also very small, so they have a little tiney-tiny radar cross-section, too -- making them look like a bird on most radar screens.

    Basically, this sounds overly-complicated and expensive to implement and is utterly unneeded. So... the military may well go for it! But it's still completely retarded.

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    1. Re:Waste of money... by bmajik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your response is both factually incorrect and unimaginative.

      There are a variety of unmanned aerial vehicles in the US armed forces that serve a variety of missions. Surely you've heard of the UAV launched from Iowa class battleships as a targeting / BDA unit, that an Iraqi tried to surrender to ? (IIRC, this one was a "Predator").

      In any case, there is probably a role for a unit-deployable, short range, low altatitude, small form factor, long "hang time" (ability to stay airborne in a localized area for extended time) UAV. The scenrio here is that a small company of men and one or two armored vehicles needs to enter a town with an unknown enemy force deployment. On the outskirts of town, they unpack their suit-case sized UAV, start its engines, and hand-launch it into the sky. The trained operator (for now) watches the real time video feed on their laptop. The UAV gives the troops an aerial view of the town - they can map out block or unblocked streets/alleys.. they can spot rooftop snipers.. they can get early warnings of people spilling out of buildings in other parts of the town.

      The key here is distributed, localized intelligence gathering that is deployed and consumed by field units.. it is more pertinent and easier (and faster!) to act on then something more full size where intel goes back to an Air conditioned trailer hundreds of miles away from the theater of operation, and intel goes up and down the chain of command.

      small-unit sized deployable semi-autonomous robots are a cutting edge application of commodity hardware and software. You need something cheap, field proof, and easy for lower level enlisted men to launch, operate, and recover. The smarter the software, the less of a burden it is on the operator(s), and the more value it provides. Given the changing nature of combat (trained army goes through town hoping to not get ambushed), small-scale UAVs are absolutely worth persuing.

      Never mind that they're dirt cheap (as military hardware goes) - some prototypes are little more than the RC model aircraft you see at hobbyist stores with some cameras, radio control equipment, and a small embedded device.

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  12. Re:Videos? by Ant+P. · · Score: 4, Funny

    At this point in time I'd say it's the videos themselves.

  13. Article Picture by drpimp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it me, or do the boys in the article in fatigues look like they are like 13? Made for the Army, but cool enough for teens? Hmm, interesting!

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  14. I've got one by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Funny

    Invisible Plane?

    I build one of these things years ago. Unfortunately, I haven't seen it since its first test flight.

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  15. Prior Art by El_Smack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man, will they be pissed when they see this.

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  16. VeraTech vs Veritech (Robotech) by Zantetsuken · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did anybody else think of the similarity between VeraTech and Veritech of the Robotech anime? The article summary even says "...it folds..." - a transformation just like the Veritech Fighter to humanoid form!

  17. With this posted on /. by StarfishOne · · Score: 2

    I'm getting the feeling that their server is the thing that is really getting closer to becoming invisible, rather than their UAV.

  18. Has it's Ups & Downs by maggard · · Score: 2, Informative

    First off its pretty clear this is an RPV (Remotely Piloted Vehicle), so no need to worry about anyone yakking up dizzy in the cockpit. Next it wont be invisible, itll be blurry to the eye. Thats still a good thing, itll make it harder to track, shoot, and be sure of what it has been up to.

    What it wont be is unobtrusive. Its gonna be noisy, have a RADAR/LIDAR signature, and be putting out a fair bit of heat. So unless it is pretty high up folks will be aware it is around, unaided have a general sense of where, and with equipment (including IR goggles) probably be able pinpoint it fairly quickly.

    As for images, yeah, crazy-spinning-photo-pans will probably be able to be reconstructed into something recognizable, but thatll require some significent processing power & are as likely to miss points of interest as they are to pan over them a few times.

    However there are other missions where other sensors would be useful, ones not dependant on a specific field of view. Audio mapping. Radio mapping. Radiation sensing. Specific chemical tracing (mmm... smells like high explosives by that warehouse!)

    Also dropping off small payloads could solve much of the in-motion issues, and if the craft is hard to see itll also be hard to figure out exactly where it has dropped off a suitable minituraized payload. Imagine what dropping your cellphone transmitting live audio & video into the middle of an armed camp would tell you. Next imagine if it was a device built to just do that, resembles a rock, and nobody is sure just where the drone was... Could it be found? Sure, eventually, after much disruption.

    The device may be being heavily hyped, but it is a clever hack nonetheless and could have some real applications. And the next time I hear the annoying musquito-on-steroids whine of a model helicopter nearby I wont be so confident if I cant see it/it cant see me.

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  19. Re:Videos? by WowTIP · · Score: 2, Informative

    Download the .asx file

    Open .asx file with text editor

    Copy the URLs starting with http and ending with .mpg

    (.asx is a (microsoft?) wrapper format...)

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  20. Re:Videos? by Pentavirate · · Score: 2, Informative

    The biggest problems of small and micro-UAVs are:

    1. Requires line-of-sight to control them. This requires that a man often has to be in enemy territory in order for it to be useful.

    2. Too small for larger payloads. This restricts their use to low-end optical cameras.

    3. Fly close to the ground. This increases the likelyhood of them being seen by the enemy though being invisible would help in this case.

    4. As mentioned above, getting a real-time feed of the cameras.

    While it's a lot easier and cheaper for smaller companies to get into the micro-uav industry, it's the large UAVs that are the most practical. They can be controlled by sat links from anywhere in the world. They can broadcast the imagery over the same links to anywhere in the world from a small groundstation or the President's desk. They can carry large payloads allowing multi-spectrum cameras with super high resolution or Synthetic Aperature Radars (SAR) or even hell-fire missiles. They also can fly for 24 hours at a time from heights of 30,000 feet which essentially make them every bit as invisible as this micro-uav. In the end, it's the large UAVs like the Predator that are making the biggest difference in military actions as well as law enforcement and border control.

  21. Re:Videos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Requires line-of-sight to control them.
    Wait a minute, the invisible aircraft requires line-of-sight? Am I the only one seeing a problem here?
  22. Re:Videos? by harp2812 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's more of a question of the best tool for the job, IMO... The micro UAV's actually work quite well for Special Warfare teams, where the problems are more portability, quick launch, and short recon runs. You're absolutely right that the Predator drones are better for conventional warfare, but I think this was created to address a different set of requirements, and should do rather well from what I've seen (or not seen, as the case may be).

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