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Americans Win 2006 Nobel Physics Prize

Davemania writes "CNN reports that the Nobel Prize in Physics has been award to John C. Mather and George F. Smoot for their contribution to the big-bang Theory." From the article: "Their work was based on measurements done with the help of the NASA-launched COBE satellite in 1989. They were able to observe the universe in its early stages about 380,000 years after it was born. Ripples in the light they detected also helped demonstrate how galaxies came together over time. 'The very detailed observations that the laureates have carried out from the COBE satellite have played a major role in the development of modern cosmology into a precise science,' the academy said in its citation." If you're interested, you can read a rundown on the prize-winning work (pdf) provided by the prize organization.

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  1. 4 for 4 by richdun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So all 4 Nobel winners this year so far have been Americans. Brain drain?! Bah!

    Of course, the true test will be to see if we can keep it up in a few years.

    1. Re:4 for 4 by crossmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      having an extreme to one end or the other is no indication of whether or not their population as a whole is suffering a brain drain, elementary statistics.

    2. Re:4 for 4 by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Albert Michaelson, the first American to win a Nobel in the sciences was born German, although educated in the US. His parents came to America when little Albert was two years old to escape the German guild system (which also brought America Martin of guitar fame and Steinway of piano fame. Their experiments in instruments were illegal in Germany, violating guild rules).

      Einstein, of course, was also born German and educated in Germany, Italy and Switzerland. He did his seminal work in Europe, but came to the US seeking an open climate and continued to do valuable work. Heisenberg, who remained in Germany effectively had his useful career cut short by being forced to abandon "reality based" science, because it was deemed "Jewish."

      Iquiring minds want to know and they will go wherever it is they are allowed to think and publish freely. Those who choose to remain will, in large part, cease to do valuable work.

      Of course, the true test will be to see if we can keep it up in a few years.

      Exactly. Brain drains take time to manifest. Research takes time. By the time you can see a brain drain in results it is already over.

      KFG

    3. Re:4 for 4 by gkhan1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually more of a logical issue: you can derive a universal from a particular. Boy, it would be fun if you could....

  2. The award in medicine also went to Americans... by b0r1s · · Score: 4, Informative

    Zndrew Fire and Craig Mello won the Nobel Prize in Medicine for discovering a way to turn off the effect of very specific genes by using RNA to interfere with cell function, a technique they expect to be able to use to fight cancer.

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  3. Woo by grub · · Score: 2, Funny


    Science++, Superstition--

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    1. Re:Woo by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure thing, we're working on it. By the way, let us know when religion explains anything.

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    2. Re:Woo by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Read these two articles and get back to me http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/scien ce-vs-religion-part-2/ http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kellmeyer/05081 5 Religion and Science can co-exist but you seem to want them to be in opposition all the time.

  4. I'd rather see .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Americans winning the Nobel Peace Prize...

    1. Re:I'd rather see .... by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean like Yasser Arafat? Le Duc Tho? Kofi Annan? Please. The Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. It's a contest to see which thug or despot can fool the international community enough.

      While I think there are far too many booby prizes for people who started conflicts finally stopping them (at least temporarily), I think it's a bit unfair to call Kofi Annan a "thug or despot."

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    2. Re:I'd rather see .... by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know you're probably in the camp that things the US is what's wrong with the world, but I wonder if you've ever looked beyond the end of your upturned nose to see the things the US (and its citizens) do right in the world?

      Sometimes, it's not what's right that we do but what's wrong that we do or don't do that matters. Right now, there are a lot of good people in the US working to bring about a more peaceful world. Then again, there are also a lot of cynical people that promote war as peace with the attitude that if you're going to make an omelette, you have to breaks some eggs.

      Right now, our government is fighting for its rights to start preemptive wars and to indefintely hold people and "mildly" torture them. None of these things have earned us the right to call ourselves a nation of peacemakers.

      Maybe people just remembers when the US used to do more right in the world. I miss those times, and fighting against people like you that refuse to admit that this country is doing wrong and you try to justify our sins with our intentions is going to be necessary to bring those times back.

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    3. Re:I'd rather see .... by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean the man who has been constantly warning about genocide in Darfur and who has practically been begging for the world to do something about it? The man who has no power to levy troops to bring there himself? All the man can do is beg, and you're blaming him for being ignored?

      Perhaps you should try at least doing a little research on Kofi Annan and Darfur before casting stones at him on Darfur. You can blame him on Rwanda for not heeding the calls to press for action, and you can blame him on a lack of proper oversight of the Oil for Food program, but he's doing what he can on Darfur.

      I just object to him being lumped in with thugs and despots.

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  5. Scientific hokum by intnsred · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just imagine, winning a Nobel prize for the "big bang" theory.

    Why everyone knows that the world was created in 7 days, not with a big bang -- the "big bang" theory is just scientific hokum. Just ask our president or the millions of Christian fundamentalists who know the truth. :-/

    1. Re:Scientific hokum by moore.dustin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Im losing a bunch of mod points, but that is of no consequence. I marked it flaimbait, though I do agree with you 100%. Everything you said I find myself agreeing with, so that is not the issue. While you may think I am fibbing, I think this post shows that I do agree and I wanted that to be clear.

      This discussion is not about religion or politics, but science. I am all or discussing those topics in another venue, but I like to read meaningful comments about the subject at hand. This is slashdot, where the comments are what makes the site. Comments about religion or outlandish politic remarks are things you expect to see on digg.

      Again, I agree with you, but I hope you see where I was coming from, it was nothing personal at all. I just like to see comments about the subject that add to, and not distract from the subject.

    2. Re:Scientific hokum by Bryansix · · Score: 3, Informative
      In an age where some stem cell research is banned for religious reasons, managing only to drive the research overseas, is it wise to ignore the battle between science and religion?
      In my continuous effort to knock down straw man arguments, let me knock down yours. Stem Cell Research is not banned in the United States. Federal Government funding for Stem Cell research on embryonic stem cells taken from newly killed embryos (zygotes, whatever) is suspended. Funding for other kinds of stem cell research is still going on (Like adult stem cell research). In addition private companies with private funding can do whatever they want with Stem Cell research. Lastly the State of California voted (against my will) to spend it's own money (deficit) on funding embryonic stem cell research locally. Next time you might want to get your facts straight.
    3. Re:Scientific hokum by AgNO3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm stem cell issue is not a religious issue. It is "right to life issue" Yes many anti abortion people are religious but it seem that the steem cell issue is more an issue people thinking that this research is a result of an aborted fetus which they believe should not have been aborted. Not sure what that has to do with religion. I know a fair amount of people on both sides of this issue and religion is on both sides. Yeah most anti abortion people are neo con but many are libs. You are confusing the loudest group with the whole group. Since someone will get all pissy and call BS.

      http://prolife.liberals.com/ or the google result for pro life liberals

      http://www.google.com/search?q=pro+life+liberals&i e=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial& client=firefox-a

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  6. Well, and the memorial bridge of course... by jpellino · · Score: 3, Funny

    oops - wrong Smoot. My bad.

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  7. Good think Nobel Prize isn't in US by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 5, Funny
    Good thing Nobel prize is based out of Sweden. If it was based out of US, I am sure by now the Bush Administration and the Christian Right would have positioned themselves on the Governing Board and the results would be significantly different.

    I can just see the list of this year's Nobel Prize winners, if the Nobel Prize was based in US.

    Nobel Prize in Physics - Henry Morris and John Whitcomb on their ground breaking work The Genesis Flood which proved that earth is only 6000 years old.

    Nobel Prize in Physiology - Michael Behe, who, using irreducible complexity, proved beyond doubt that evolution is just a "theory".

    Nobel Prize in Literature - Ann Coulter Treason, who exposed the greatest perils that free societies face today - Gutless Lying Liberals who will sell your daughters and sisters to Kim Jong Il.

    Nobel Prize in Peace - George Bush, who freed millions of Iraqis from a brutal dictator.

    Nobel Prize in Chemistry - Discontinued.

    1. Re:Good think Nobel Prize isn't in US by necro81 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nobel Prize in Peace - George Bush, who freed millions of Iraqis from a brutal dictator.
      You meant it in jest, but he has been nominated. I shit you not.
  8. Re:Wrong people got the award by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can we PLEASE get a "-1 Stupid" mod option?

  9. Re:what they did is impressive, don't get me wrong by Mick+Ohrberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think understanding our origins is of tremendous use. You're right - it won't pay off tomorrow, but a better understanding of the world we live in is ultimately a good thing. Mankind is nothing if not curious. And self-destructive.

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  10. Is America Still Investing in Nobels? by NetSettler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So all 4 Nobel winners this year so far have been Americans. Brain drain?! Bah! Of course, the true test will be to see if we can keep it up in a few years.

    Uh, actually, you need to adjust for relativity. In the frame of reference of the observers giving out this award, we're a couple of decades back. That is, they don't give out nobel prizes for something that happened this year, they give them out for things that have stood for a while and had impact etc.

    Consequently, I think you meant to say: Of course, the true test will be to see if we kept it up for a few years subsequent to 1989. We should already know the answer to that. I'm sure we're still doing good work. But are we keeping pace with the tremendous degree of investment in math and science abroad? I bet the Nobels that are given a decade or two from now will be clear on that. It's a matter of national pride for many countries. But here, we have "No Child Left Behind", which sounds good on paper but often plays out as "No Child Gets Ahead" -- lest it be "unfair" to someone. It's politically unsafe here to suggest that it's worth investing in our high end at the expense of our low end, and that's going to trend badly toward the middle. Other countries are not thus hampered.

    MIT recently opened a research center in Singapore. I suspect the next thing we'll hear is that it's headquarters has moved--for convenience. And then finally, that the largely unused Cambridge center is being mothballed as a quaint relic, perhaps turned into a science museum. And perhaps after that protests may ensue, more over lost jobs or unfair treatment than the question of how our nation's leaders sold us out. No one worries about that.

    The problem is that US politics sees everything as one-place predicates. Politicians like education. They like the environment. They like kids. It's easy to like things when you don't have to make hard choices, and all our public dialog is framed about people voting for X or not voting for X. Politicians don't talk about choices, about comparisons, about 2-place predicates that put one thing up against another. No one says "When it came to X vs Y, I chose Y." That alienates voters. Voters want the fictionalized choice that you can have it all, that all choices/votes are independent of one another, and that no choice or policy robs another. They don't want honesty, so politicians don't sell it. And then the policies the voters have elected don't work. We'll spend a billion dollars to keep a few from getting attacked when the same billion would save many more lives if spent on food, health care, jobs, or education.

    I'm not against less intelligent kids. I don't want to hold them back. BUT the more intelligent kids will be making the money that will pay for the welfare, the head start, etc. that the less intelligent ones need. And if push comes to shove, I know where I'd put money to make sure we still have money in the future. Any business person knows it. You invest in the "low-hanging fruit", the "easy mark", the people who are poised to succeed. And no, that doesn't mean the rich kids--this isn't about class. There are smart kids and dumb kids in the same family. There are smart poor kids and dumb rich kids. We need to figure out which ones are going to succeed and invest in them. And if we don't start investing in science, instead of kidding ourselves that investing in Creationism is the same thing, we'll be rightly pushed aside by other countries, who know that our kind of nonsense/nonscience is not what business is hiring. If it hasn't happened already.

    I'm not trying to troll this forum. I think this is on topic since the headline says "Americans win...", so it's clear that some of this story is about who won, about American national pride and implicitly about American national investment in doing it again. And I have strong opinions on this.

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    1. Re:Is America Still Investing in Nobels? by Blighten · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let's just try to build a fair society where everyone has an equal chance to succeed.

      Well, I don't think it's fair that I'm much shorter than the average basketball player. This puts me at a disadvantage to compete for an NBA contract; it is unfair... granted this is a trivial example, however it's obvious that human traits (height, build, beauty, intelligence etc) vary through some distribution. Ignoring that distribution is what "No Child Left Behind" does.. though if it were implemented in a better way, there might be room for some leveling, while embracing the top part of the student cohort. However, its title would need to reflect this implementation.

      Ensuring that everyone has an equal start sounds like a noble statement, but it contradicts a stratified society. Someone has to be a graveyard gas station attendant, a garbage man etc. I think the misconception of equality is rooted by the phrase, "all men are created equal." The notion of equality referring that phrase refers to is fundamental rights as a citizen (or human). To argue that it should be applied to a socioeconomic model is the same as arguing that we need to chop off the legs of the tall NBA players to make them even; it's nonsensical.

    2. Re:Is America Still Investing in Nobels? by Ixne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ensuring that everyone has an equal start sounds like a noble statement, but it contradicts a stratified society. Someone has to be a graveyard gas station attendant, a garbage man etc. I think the misconception of equality is rooted by the phrase, "all men are created equal." The notion of equality referring that phrase refers to is fundamental rights as a citizen (or human).

      Perhaps the problem is more that these jobs do not carry much respect with some people. But that's a problem with the psychological make-up of our society in general.

  11. George "There is an Intelligent Designer" Smoot by cioxx · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Then, last week, American scientists announced the discovery of radiation patterns in space that may mark the beginning of time itself. Said astrophysicist George Smoot, leader of the research team: "If you're religious, it's like looking at God. The order is so beautiful and the symmetry so beautiful that you think there is some design behind it."

    Whatever caused the rapid expansion of the universe following the Big Bang--the same forces caused tiny ripples. Because if you try to do something too fast, you shake a little. God might be the designer.

    NASA's COBE satellite team discovered the predicted ripples in the cosmic background radiation. George Smoot, the team's leader, called these seeds for future galaxy superclusters "fingerprints from the Maker."


    For science!
    1. Re:George "There is an Intelligent Designer" Smoot by koko775 · · Score: 2

      I go to Berkeley and my roommate takes Smoot's class (I take the other professor's Physics section). I heard about this in class. HE WAS MISQUOTED. MISQUOTED MISQUOTED MISQUOTED! Please. Stop misquoting Smoot! It's a source of frustration for him.

  12. Oliver Smoot not George Smoot by peter303 · · Score: 2

    I double checked this too. MIT has nine Smoots in the alumni directory, several attending about the same time as the Nobel winner.

  13. Why even bring it up... unless to Karma whore by HighOrbit · · Score: 2

    Um... why suddenly insert the "religion vs. science debate" into every possible mention about science unless it is to Karma whore (as this is a sure slam-dunk winner on Slashdot), or unless you have some irrational axe to grind with religious people and you just decide to take every tangentially germane opportunity to exercise your animus (in which case, your post really was flamebait). And here is my answer to your blunt question: My strategy is to applaud scientific achievement and promote the expansion of inquiry and knowledge; all the while refraining from gratuitously belittling other people's religion or inserting politics into every discussion.