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GeV Acceleration In 3 Centimeters

ZonkerWilliam writes, "Here is a very interesting article, for the scientific community at least, on an advancement in laser wakefield particle accelerators. Being able to accelerate electrons to 1 Gev in the space of 3.3 cm calls up visions of portable devices that can be used anywhere: think of portable cancer therapies, if they can do the same for positrons, portable PET scans, possible use in compact fusion devices, capturing the dearly departed, etc. The uses are mind boggling." From the article: "By comparison, SLAC, the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, boosts electrons to 50 GeV over a distance of two miles... The Berkeley Lab group and their Oxford collaborators... achieve a 50th of SLAC's beam energy in just one-100,000th of SLAC's length." I doubt that this tech will fit on a table top anytime soon. The article quotes the Berkeley researcher: "We believe we can [get to 10 GB] with an accelerator less than a meter long — although we'll probably need 30 meters' worth of laser path."

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  1. Blasters by tygt · · Score: 2, Funny

    How many eV would it take to make Han Solo's blaster? :)

    1. Re:Blasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Eh, get back to me when we have the batteries capable of making an energy weapon that'll do more than warm food. Of course, we could just use some of those recalled Sony batteries as grenades instead :-)

    2. Re:Blasters by CortoMaltese · · Score: 2, Funny

      An extension cord! An extension cord! My kingdom for an extension cord!

  2. What is this "blaster" you speak of? by ChePibe · · Score: 4, Funny

    I believe Han Solo's only notable piece of equipment is a small bouquet of daisies, one of which he gives to Guido in the super-hyper-ultra-master-remix of Star Wars Episode -12.

    Why on earth would Han want to "blast" anything, as is? He's a perfectly legitimate businessman, brought into hard times by a pair of misfits who attack people with Mag Lites... or at least that's the latest Lucas version.

  3. At last! by SysKoll · · Score: 3, Funny

    At last, a portable zap gun! About freakin" time!

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  4. Forgive me for my lack of knowledge by Khyber · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But if you only need 30 meters of laser path, wouldn't it be possible to just use different mirrors to reflect within the chamber to obtain the length needed, and can't you do it thanks to the light wavelength in nano (or pico??) meters?

    I'm not that educated in lasers, it wasn't as big of a study as mass-power mini railguns (no joking) to me. Someone PLEASE inform me and nobody bother modding me, I just want answers for my education.

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    1. Re:Forgive me for my lack of knowledge by forand · · Score: 2, Informative

      You need the laser to be coherent across the entire path so that the particles are able to "surf" the wave fronts. Simply adding mirrors does not accomplish this and even if you had a coherents length of 30 m; you can't get the acceration to occur in higher energy density any faster. Basically you need to experience the full slope of the wave front to get maximal acceleration.

    2. Re:Forgive me for my lack of knowledge by Brietech · · Score: 3, Informative

      I actually do some research in this area (Plasma-wakefield particle acceleration, really really similar), and one of the biggest problems is getting the pulse-width incredibly small. They have to use something called Chirp Pulse Amplification and I think the beam length is somewhere on the order of 1-2 picoseconds. From the article, the power delivered by this beam is about 40 TeraWatts, which gives you some sort of idea. The acceleration gradient might be really high, but that doesnt mean youre going to get a desktop version any time soon. The equipment necessary to get the timing (pulse-length and power) right is incredibly difficult and expensive at the moment.

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    3. Re:Forgive me for my lack of knowledge by deglr6328 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, the laser light is turned INTO the energy of the electron beam. It is not infinitely reusable.

      That said, I don't see very many posts yet which address the central importance of this news. So let me do that now. THIS IS HUGE HUGE HUGE NEWS. I would be shocked if the LOASIS group weren't on stage with the king of Sweden in a decade or so. Seriously, that's how big this is. No one expected things to happen this fast in wakefield acceleration. No one. Just two years ago I posted a story here about the latest achievement of the same wakefield acceleration research group. They were then at 80 MeV electron energies over millimeters of acceleration distance using a 10 terawatt laser pulse. With 1,000-2,000 trillion watt (petawatt) lasers coming on line in the next few years and this new multi-cm acceleration distance possibility it is not beyond the realm of the plausible to expect to see hundred GeV, possibly even TeV energies coming out of these things. It takes the Stanford linear electron accelerator 2 miles to accelerate its 50 GeV electron positron beams! What we are witnessing is nothing short of a revolution in particle acclerators that will open up new frontiers of high TeV scale particle physics faster than anyone ever thought possible. This is the sort of breakthrough that happens once in 3 or 4 decades.... if you're lucky.

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  5. Who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters! by BKX · · Score: 3, Funny

    capturing the dearly departed, etc.

    Holy Jesus, we can capture ghosts now with our 1 inch laser PET scans!!!

  6. Re:PET Scan by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't bother scanning for 'em, at this point if I so much as suspect I have a PET I just call in the exterminator. I've really gotta start bein' more careful about shutting my back door.

    The racoons and possums I was able to deal with myself in fairly short order, but it took 18 years to get rid of that damned cat.

    KFG

  7. Re:Imagine by Vilim · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seeing as how the LHC produces two beams in opposite directions with energy 7 Tev each (total collision energy is 14 Tev) this accelerator has 3 or 4 orders of magnitude to scale before it can even begin to compete with the LHC.

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  8. idiot editors by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Informative
    "We believe we can [get to 10 GB]...
    GB = gigabyte
    GeV = giga electron Volts

    Also, TFA links to an illustrated version of the story.

  9. Re:Imagine by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    We're talking about electron volts. You see, electricity is not the electrons themselves, but rather a wave of energy passing from one electron to the next as they collide with each other. (A bit simplified, but hey.)

    You know those desk decorations that have about 5 metal ball suspended from wires? If you lift one and let go, gravity imparts energy on one of those balls. When it hits the next ball, it transfers energy to the other ball, which in turn hits the next ball, transfers its energy, so on and so forth. When the last ball has nothing more to hit, it swings out from the kinetic energy imparted on it. This is pretty much how electricity works.

    An electron Volt is a method of measuring the kinetic energy for individual particles. It translates directly to the voltage/joules calculations we all know and love, except that it only involves one particle instead of a wire full of them. Most commonly, this term is used in particle physics where the energy of a single particle matters.

    What has been built here is a micro particle-accelerator capable of imparting massive velocities on individual electrons. This is useful for things like advanced medical scanners which bombard a target with a small number of high energy particles in order to get 3D image of the object. With a small enough particle accelerator, we could begin building devices like the medical tricorders you see in Star Trek. That's never been possible before.

  10. Capturing the Dearly Departed by A+Brand+of+Fire · · Score: 5, Funny

    When using a portable particle accelerator, always remember this important safety tip:

    Egon: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.

    Venkman: What?

    Egon: Don't cross the streams.

    Venkman: Why?

    Egon: It would be bad.

    Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing; what do you mean, bad?

    Egon: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

    Ray: Total protonic reversal.

    Venkman: Right. That's bad? Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.

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    1. Re:Capturing the Dearly Departed by budgenator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your not supposed to admit your old enough to have seen a Pre-alien movie with Weaver in it, in public.

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  11. The actual speed... 0.999999869 c by Ruberik · · Score: 4, Informative

    For anyone who's interested, the actual velocity of the electrons is about 0.999999869 times the speed of light -- which is why talking about GeV is more instructive than talking about how fast the particle goes. The math follows, if you're interested.

    1GeV = energy = gamma * m * c^2 (gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2))
    1 GeV / c^2 / m = gamma
    1957 = gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
    v/c = 0.999999869 ... or you can type sqrt(1-1/(1GeV / electron mass / c^2)^2) into Google Calculator.

    Interesting fact: we usually hear about E = mc^2. That's the direct matter->energy conversion when the matter is at rest: if the matter is moving, we add on a factor of "gamma" -- which, at small velocities, is about 1 + 1/2 * v^2/c^2 (giving E = mc^2 + 1/2 mv^2, or rest mass + classical kinetic energy!)

  12. Re:Power (Have They Got It) by kbox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, I have lost count of how many times i have heard those starving Africans saying "Man, I wish i could accelerate electrons to 1 Gev over 3cm".

  13. Re:Imagine by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah the LHC produces proton collisions but protons are not fundamental particles, they are composite particles (3 quarks each + gluons)! They make "dirty" collisions with all sorts of particles flying everywhere. Electron positron collisions are much much "cleaner", the energy per individual fundamental particle is what matters. The international linear collider (a planned e- e+ collider) is hoped to achieve center of mass collisions of just 1 TeV and this will be sufficient to explore in depth the physics hinted at in the LHC at CERN. That means you only need two 500 GeV beams to do this. It looks to me like we're a mere ~2 orders of magnitude away from that point. All that has to be done now is a little succesive staging engineering and work to get the luminosity up.

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  14. Re:Imagine by Gromius · · Score: 2, Informative

    And just to elaborate on what you've hinted at for others, the reason this will never make the LHC redundant is to do with that the LHC does not have a fixed centre of mass energy in collisions as as you said, they are composite particles so while the protons collide at centre of mass energy of 14TeV, the individual quarks and gluons collide with a variable centre of mass energy (depends how much of the momentum is carried by that quark/gluon) upto a maximum of 14TeV. Anything produced by this development would have a fixed centre of mass energy. Hence to discover any new particle you have to scan through the centre-of-mass energies manually so to speak which means you could well miss something interesting. At the LHC, the scanning of the centre of mass energies is automatic so to speak making it very difficult to miss the new physics resonance. Hence you build messy hadron machines to find something and then precision lepton colliders to study it in detail as lepton colliders need to know the energy of the particle they're studing in advance.

  15. Portable TW generator for my Toyota Prius? by viking80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This device uses a relative modest 9TW. The submitter suggests some portable applications.

    I'll get one of these, throw away the whole electron/laser surf part, and just use the portable 9TW generator in my Toyota Prius.

    That should get me from 0 to escape velocity in 1 microsecond.

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    1. Re:Portable TW generator for my Toyota Prius? by treeves · · Score: 2

      Terawatts are not a measure of energy, they're a measure of power. Energy = power times time.
      If the pulse lasts only one attosecond, then 9TW gives you only nine-millionths of a joule. Not much energy at all.

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  16. Re:Imagine by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative

    You see, electricity is not the electrons themselves, but rather a wave of energy passing from one electron to the next as they collide with each other.

    Well, this depends on what context you're talking about. In a metal conductor, you're absolutely right - an individual electron crosses a potential difference at a speed much much less (generally a fraction of a millimeter per second) than that of the effect of electricity (which is close to c). In a vacuum, when energy is imparted by a particle accelerator (such as the particle accelerator you are staring into right at this very moment), the electrons move much faster than they do in a conductor, and there are few particle collisions within the beam.

    Of course, the energy imparted to the electrons that are flying at your face when you're looking at your monitor is in the keV range, many orders of magnitude less than the GeV we're talking about here. Still, they move fast enough when they strike the phosphor screen that relativistic effects are just beginning to creep up.

  17. Sadly, the responses to this confirm by Flying+pig · · Score: 5, Interesting
    That we do have a real crisis in physics education. (Here in the UK, having had to pay bonuses to attract maths teachers, the Government is now making similar efforts with physics - rather late.)

    Reading the responses, there is frequently a lack of understanding of just how big this stuff is, just what it takes to produce things like wakefield accelerators and the difference between instantaneous power in watts and available energy.

    Which reminds me of a true story. One company I worked for, the MD (aka CEO) decided we had to have a carbon dioxide laser to replace the ruby laser in one of our products. He talked to an academic researcher and asked how big the laser would need to be. The researcher said 10cm long and was promptly hired.

    Six months later he had a prototype. The laser was a ceramic tube with fittings on a stand, genuinely about 150mm long with the fittings. Behind it was a room full of high voltage equipment, giant capacitors, carbon dioxide cylinders, extractor fans and, in fact, a water cooling system connected to a pressure main.

    It took the MD a litle time to realise that this stuff was all part of making the laser go. He then asked when it would all be reduced in size to fit into a hand held box. The researcher's response? "You never told me you wanted the electrics to go in a box. You just said you wanted a four inch long laser."

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    1. Re:Sadly, the responses to this confirm by Flying+pig · · Score: 2

      No, I do think they confirm it. They demonstrate that people who, thirty years ago, would have a grasp of basic physics, now do not. Obviously a poll of physicists and engineers would not tell you that, nor would a poll of arts graduates. But if people who are interested in technology no longer understand quite basic physics and engineering concepts, that is a pointer.

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  18. Re:Overkill for medical systems? by FreshnFurter · · Score: 3, Informative
    IAAMP (I Am A Medical Physicist)

    It is not for electron beams that this would be a boon. It is rather for other particles (protons, heavy ions). The footprint of such facilities is pretty large. In the US there are currently a number of proton treatment centers. Protons allow you to generate more conformal treatments (e.g. treating tumor not healthy tissue) with very low levels of doses elsewhere in the body. The latter is important for patients expected to have long survival times (these are becoming more prevalent as we are able to cure more and more tumors with less side effects). This is particularly important in treatment of childhood cancers.

    Heavy Ions is another ball game. Now you need a synchrotron to get these up to the desired energies. This means building another building only to hold the accelerator (no talk about treatment rooms, rotatable gantries or anything). Heavy ions are very good at destroying cells as they generate a high density of ionizations along their path. They also have the same interesting conformal properties as protons. There are only about 4 or 5 heavy ion facilities in the world, most of them in Japan or Europe. There currently is no economic gain to be made building heavy ion facilities, protons are now reimbursed and facilities are starting to be generated although they are very costly ($100 10^6)

    A "portable" accelerator would reduce footprint and building costs immensely making it economically feasible. Unfortunately, the accelerators presented here do not have a high enough flux yet to be used for clinically relevant doses.

    In short: interesting, but don't hold your breath. Implementation, even in a research setting is at least 10-15 years down the line. Of course I could be completely wrong and have one on my doorstep tomorrow, with a note by a physician, "please calibrate, a patient starts tomorrow"
  19. A slight misunderstanding by Attila+the+Bun · · Score: 4, Informative

    PET scans don't use accelerated positrons. A radioisotope is injected into the patient, which emits a positron when it decays. The positron immediately annihilates with an electron and emits two gamma rays. The gamma rays are detected and used to build the scan. To make the radioisotope you need a proton accelerator, but these are already very compact at 2-3m diameter, and anyway don't need to be near the patient.

    Fusion, of course, has nothing to do with accelerating electrons.

    I thought geeks knew this stuff, or do they only need to pretend these days?

    1. Re:A slight misunderstanding by cheesybagel · · Score: 2, Informative
      Fusion may be done with accelerating particles or light.

      Try googling for "beam fusion" "inertial confinement fusion" and stuff like that.

      Here:

    2. Re:A slight misunderstanding by khallow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fusion, of course, has nothing to do with accelerating electrons.

      But it sometimes has something to do with accelerating charged ions. For example, accelerating protons at a target of 7Li or 11B could induce some degree of aneutronic fusion (ie, little of the fusion outcome would be energy-stealing neutrons). I don't think it'd be anywhere near breakeven, but it's a start.
    3. Re:A slight misunderstanding by Kontinuum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are a few PET/SPECT isotopes that require you to have a nearby cyclotron: 11C (20 minute half-life) and 82Rb (76 second half-life) for example. The vast majority of clinical studies are done using 18F (109 minutes), so generally speaking, you are right, you don't need to have the cyclotron too nearby. But, for some applications, it is in fact necessary.

      That said, I agree, it's very hard to see an application of laser-wakefield acceleration of electrons to PET.

  20. Re:Portable???? by emlyncorrin · · Score: 3, Funny
    Now excuse me, I have a negotiation with Coka Cola about burning their logo on the moon.
    Make sure you spell check their name before starting...
  21. Re:Power (Have They Got It) by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They do but it would be a lot cheaper to move the patient to a hospital near a power grid than try to put one of these at every clinic.
    Cancer patients getting radiation treatment need a lot of care. I am not sure that they would have much of a chance of surviving at a local solar powered clinic with an MD and maybe a nurse running the show.
    Local clinics need to provide general care. Ideally any seriously ill patent would be transported to a larger care hospital for specialized care.
    The money that it would take to provide that level of cancer care locally would be much better spent general care and transportation of special needs patients.
    And before any idiot says anything about racism. The exact same thing would apply for a small town in the US or Canada.
    I will give you points for a caring but it wouldn't be practical or provide the best benefit for the money.
    Now maybe if the could mount it on a bus and use it as a mobile system it could have some value at small hospitals but those would tend to have a at least some kind of power grid.

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