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Linux Cell Phones Coming Q1 2007

eldavojohn writes, "Prepare to salivate. D-Link has announced plans to put an unlocked Linux phone on the market in early 2007. Some features: Dual-mode WiFi and GSM/GPRS. Up to 24 MB of memory for user file storage, such as music and videos. 2-inch, 176 x 220-pixel color display. Opera browser. Email client. 3.4 ounces (95 grams). Tri-band (900/1800/1900) GSM radio — meaning it should work with any GSM-GPRS SIM card, including pre-paid SIM cards as well as those from traditional GSM service providers. Will it really be this easy to wean myself from the Microsoft mobile teat?" The phone is expected to list for $600.

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  1. Press Release from d-link has more info. by Animaether · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read the article, and it hardly has any further information, other than a picture (welcome) and dimensions (also welcome - and not too bad).

    But a bit more info is in the actual Press Release from D-Link;
    http://www.dlink.com/press/pr/?prid=299
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    Talk time - up to 5 hours GSM, 2 hours 802.11 wireless mode
    Messages - up to 30 messages can be stored at 459 characters each
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    Can't say I'm impressed with that - but it explains why it's a bit lighter, smaller battery. The number of messages stored however is just pathetic.

    Had to still google for Dual-Mode; it actually just means it has a phone radio and another form of wireless communications. Lame terminology comes to mind; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-Mode_Mobile_Phon es

    As for the rest of the info - not in the PR either.

    But for those of you who have been whining about "I don't want a camera in my phone!" - there you go.. Linux, WiFi, no camera.

  2. You act like it's more expensive... by nobodyman · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the USA, a $300 phone is probably subsidized by your upwards of %50. That's why they lock you into multi-year contracts and sell you the first 10 seconds of a Blink-182 song for $2.50 a pop. I'm not sure if this is as big of an issue in Europe because I believe SIM cards are portable across service providers by law.

    Don't think that this $600 phone is any more expensive than equivalent piece of hardware from T-mobile or Verizon. Considering that I'll be able to install whatever the hell I want on it I'd say it's a steal.

    This phone is the last thing service providers want on the market -- the only thing they'd have left to differentiate themselves from the competition is rates and service (the horror!!). I predict they'll try to kill it.

    1. Re:You act like it's more expensive... by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 2, Informative

      Linux is nice and all, but unless you feel like writing your own software don't expect this phone to be very useful.

      Yeah, that's the problem with Linux and open source embedded systems; nobody ever writes software for that stuff.....

  3. Rediculously crappy. by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 5, Informative

    My phone is almost two years old; it has a 640x480 65K color screen, 192 MB of memory, a 520 Mhz processor, B/G Wifi, Bluetooth, UTMS, and GSM, dual video cameras, and expansion by SD if necessary. It came unlocked, and if you really wanted, you could also put Linux on it- (there's a linux port out there.) For god's sake DLink, get your act together.

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    1. Re:Rediculously crappy. by ctscan · · Score: 2, Informative

      No it's probably a HTC-universal (Qtek 9000 etc) or another phone from HTC http://www.europe.htc.com/products/. Agreed, they run windows mobile, but they have a lot more features (UMTS/HSDPA - EVDO - WiFi- Bluetooth - SD card - higher resolution) than this phone for a lower price. I mean, memory for 30 messages and 300 contacts? That's ridiculous in this day and age

    2. Re:Rediculously crappy. by ctscan · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not entirely bullshit. Like I said above, he probably has a HTC Universal, a phone that I also have and is roughly 1.5 years old. It's a WM5 phone/PDA with a 640x480 screen

  4. Re:Umm... by freitasm · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.wneweb.com/mobile/more/gw1.htm is the ODM for this device. It runs Linux.

  5. Linux cellphones came long back... by wannabgeek · · Score: 5, Informative

    The headline is misleading.

    I have a Motorola A780 - which is based on Linux too, and it is triband and it's unlocked too (Most of the GSM phones you buy in India are unlocked). IIRC, the whole A-series of Motorola is based on Linux. Yes, my phone does not have Wi-fi, but the plug talks as if it's the first Linux based cellphone.

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  6. Ahem... by djupedal · · Score: 4, Informative

    My Motorola E680i & A1200 both run Linux, and I've had the E680i for a year now...

    Of course, living in Asia makes this a bit easier, but hey, anything beats having MS on a phone.

  7. Re:Agreed.. by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Informative

    Remember GSM was MANDATED not chosen by marketplace forces, MANADATED by governments.

    It was neither. In Europe, it was chosen by the operators who were mandated to meet and settle on a common standard for the 900MHz band. For the 1800MHz band, it was initially chosen by operators who weren't mandated to settle on a common standard, but after 1800MHz GSM become widespread, was mandated in the remaining countries who hadn't implemented it yet. Regardless of which, it's a great standard. The "GSM was imposed by governments on unwilling, tortured, operators" is a common meme from Qualcomm's IS-95 shilling operation.

    Have a GSM version all you want, but without a CDMA version, you've locked your self out of 90% of the US market from the start

    By "CDMA" I assume you mean IS-95 (the most recent version of GSM, UMTS, uses a CDMA air interface.) In the US, the two standards are currently neck and neck. Cingular, the US's largest operator, uses GSM. T-Mobile and a number of regional operators also use GSM. GSM is available in the vast majority of locations in the US where cellular service of any type is available.

    900/1800/1900 - Strike 2 - Frequency coverage is again way too outside US specific. Lack of the 800Mhz coverage used in many areas means your stuck with 1900 in the US and its poor building penetration and in some areas NO SERVICE as there are 800 only areas. Thats why all the US carriers require 800/1900 coverage. This would also make it more of a world phone by adding in 800 where used.

    This is the one point you've made so far that has any remotely true validity. 800MHz support would help in the US. That's not to say it's 100% necessary, with a number of operators 1900MHz is the only frequency available. 1900MHz isn't awful, it's just there's more coverage when you combine the two, and in certain locations 1900MHz can be difficult to get. Cingular gets a poor (800MHz) signal in my home, T-Mobile's (1900MHz) is relatively good.

    One hopes that the phone's support for 802.11 means that it also supports UMA, which will in the long term counter many of the disadvantages of higher frequencies.

    If their primary market is outside the US, they are 100% on the spot, but if DLink is going to try to sell this in the US. They will be required to make these changes to get it to sell.

    Not really.

    First, you presume IS-95 users would want a PDA phone. That's not my experience, and I was a Sprint PCS customer for three years who before that was on GSM networks in the UK and used a PDA phone for a long time while there, so I've been on both sides of the fence.

    The last thing I want to be is stuck with an oversized phone all the time. On IS-95, the only way to have two phones is to have two accounts, complete with seperate phone numbers. On GSM, for those occasions where a smaller phone would be more useful, it's just a matter of slipping the SIM out of one and into the other. The market for PDA phones is thus tiny, if not non-existant, on IS-95. On GSM, Blackberrys, Sidekicks, and others are relatively popular. Sidekicks, FWIW, are also, in practice, subject to the 1900MHz frequency limitation.

    Limiting PDA phones to GSM isn't a bad idea, it's a good one. It's a waste of development time to try and develop such a thing for IS-95 users. When Verizon and Sprint PCS and Alltel stop treating their customers like crap and finally implement RUIM cards, we might see that change. But right now, none of the operators are using a version of IS-95 that is PDA friendly. That's a shame, but that's the way it is.

    Second, as I mentioned above, there are plenty of existing PDA phones in the US that sell fairly well that are limited to the one band (1900MHz). I think it would be a good idea for them to improve that, but it's hardly a "this will make or break whether we can

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  8. Re:Agreed.. by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Informative
    This is the one point you've made so far that has any remotely true validity. 800MHz support would help in the US. That's not to say it's 100% necessary, with a number of operators 1900MHz is the only frequency available. 1900MHz isn't awful, it's just there's more coverage when you combine the two, and in certain locations 1900MHz can be difficult to get. Cingular gets a poor (800MHz) signal in my home, T-Mobile's (1900MHz) is relatively good.
    Cingular is 850mhz. This phone actually doesn't support the largest carrier in the U.S. Although they do have some areas of 1900mhz from their aquisition of AT&T wireless.