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Socializing For The Win?

The Living Fractal notes: "Yahoo! Business has an article about workplace socializing. Apparently, those who drink alcohol and socialize make more money on average." According to the article: "Regular drinkers make 10% to 14% more money than those who do not drink, according to the study, conducted by the Journal of Labor Research, published quarterly by the Department of Economics at George Mason University, and the Reason Foundation, a Los Angeles-based think tank." Fractal wonders: "This article spawns a few questions. Do those 'regular drinkers' end up spending that extra 10-14% on booze? Who here is a social drinker? Finally, have you noticed this in your workplace?"

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  1. Is it the alcohol, or the socialising? by Leibel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sure, it may be easier to go and have a drink to catch up, but would someone who chose non-alcoholic drink when they socialised make less money? Would someone who drank alone at home make more money than someone who drank tea alone at home?

    1. Re:Is it the alcohol, or the socialising? by krotkruton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ever notice how the kids who drank in high school tended to be the popular kids? Or was it that the popular kids tended to drink in high school...

    2. Re:Is it the alcohol, or the socialising? by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'd guess they find the same results studying workplace smokers. If they have a group to smoke with, and the boss or someone in power smokes, I'd guess they earn more. If they smoke alone, I'd say they probably earn less on average too.

  2. A non drinker by andy753421 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps theres just as much of a correlation between non drinking and making less money. As a college student who doesn't drink I also don't feel that much of a need to get the highest paying job available. Once I get all these loans payed off it doesn't matter to me whether my car is brand new or 10 years old. Perhaps it has to do with a desire for worldly things, whether it's good times while drunk, or lots of money to buy stuff.

  3. Re:It follows logically that drinkers would get mo by deepb · · Score: 1, Interesting
    So you, in your little basement office with the desk pushed all the way to the wall, get to churn out KLOCs until your fingers cramp up with CTS for a fixed salary. They, in their windowed corner offices with lovely assistants and fresh flowers, meet with customers and hammer out deals over a fifth of Wild Turkey and get paid a commission of their generated revenue. When you get to selling million dollar contracts, those margins add up really fast.
    Bitter much? Remember, sales people lose their job when they don't meet quota. That's top-line revenue for the company -- they can snort cocaine off a hooker's ass while attending our quarterly earnings meeting for all I care.. they either deliver that revenue or get thrown out. Try planning around the fact that you may not have a job in less than three months, and repeat that every three months until you retire. I have a feeling your attitude towards their behavior will change dramatically.
  4. How did you think the world worked? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course the boss' drinking buddy gets the corner office. You didn't actually think that people get promoted because of their good performance did you? If anything, it's the other way around, the bad performers get promoted so they can do less harm.

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    1. Re:How did you think the world worked? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That assumes that those doing the promoting are sufficiently capable to spot where someone is performing badly and promote them to protect the company.

      If you're not willing to assume that those who are getting promoted are promoted for their ability, you can't assume that management has the ability to sense the harm that an underperforming individual does. They are those underperforming individuals in your scenario!

      Or you can assume that that's just a funny saying that's written about every day in Dilbert comic strips and is just a common misperception by those who are not management.

  5. Drink! by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's to wealth! So maybe alcohol is key to success in mainstream business, but it looks like acid is the drug for you if you want to make it in the tech industry.

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  6. Re:It follows logically that drinkers would get mo by Builder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's probably one of the most outdated bitter views I've ever read.

    Most 'execs' these days don't have assistants anymore. That role was killed to save money and now the role falls between them and their line managers. In the rare case where a PA does still exist, she's normally shared among 4+ execs.

    Just one last question - where would your job be without those deals and those sales? Ever think that maybe some people hate the whole sales process, but they do it anyway because it's their job? How much fun do you think it is for a woman being pawed by a customer and not being able to say anything because it would cost her the sale? How much fun do you think it is for a family man to have potential clients oggling women and behaving badly, and not be able to say anything about it because it would cost the sale?

    On the flip side, I've noticed that since not just going to work and going home, but staying around once or twice a month to socialise, my salary has increased by 30%. Just making contacts and networking is far more than learning some new technology.

  7. Who defines "social drinking" ? by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean, by Australian standards a "social drinker" is probably an alcoholic in America and a teetotaller in Ireland ;).

    On a more serious note, it's not hard to see why there would be a correleation between socialising and improved job performance. Even ignoring the obvious schmoozing and brown-nosing possibilities, if you socialise more with people from work, you're far more likely to know more about how the business works, its current problems (and successes) and modify your work habits appropriately to address the problems and/or act on the strengths, thus making you a greater asset to the business and more likely to be prompted/paid more.

    With that said, any attempts to attach a causative relationship between drinking and income is working on *very* shaky ground IMHO.

  8. True Here... by dintech · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a junior java developer for an investment bank in London I see there is certainly a drinking culture here. Its sort of team building to go out for a few pints with guys from work. Aside from that it can never hurt to mix with you managers and colleagues in any kind of social situation outside the office. Its just that drinking is the easiest one to do as there is a bar somewhere near every office here. If senior management know your face and have had a few laughs with you, they're more likely to respect your views in the office and reward you on bonus day. The best gossip and 'career advice' are usually heard outside the office anyway. It might not be the healthiest or cheapest pasttime but at least its better than golf...

  9. Re:It follows logically that drinkers would get mo by Xentor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, the problem is with me. My problem is that I socialize with people only if I enjoy their company, not just because they have the power to increase my salary. It's a problem I'm proud to have.

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