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The Web as Political Weapon

cultrhetor writes "John Harris of the Washington Post has noticed that the three largest recent political controversies have stemmed from work done by digital inhabitants. In the article, New Media a Weapon in the New World of Politics, he notes the connections between the recent scandals involving Mark Foley, George Allen, and Bill Clinton were representative of the new, web-driven age of American politics." From the article: "Each originally percolated in the world of new media — Web sites and news outlets that did not exist a generation ago — before charging into the traditional world of newspapers and television networks. In each case, the accusations quickly pivoted into a debate about the motivations and alleged biases of the accusers. Cumulatively, the stories highlight a new brand of politics in which nearly any revelation in the news becomes a weapon or shield in the daily partisan wars, and the aim of candidates and their operatives is not so much to win an argument as to brand opponents as fundamentally unfit."

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  1. A matter of time... by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the problem with most folks in Washington DC. I read this article this morning and thought "well, yeah....". For those of us that have been using the Internet since (or in close proximity to) it's DARPA days, the fact that the Internet is being used for political purposes is not surprising or new for that matter.

    What is new I believe is that we now have a critical mass or a critical number of participants present on the Internet. I hate to say it, because I loathe the term, but what John Harris (author of the Washington Post article) has discovered is "Internet 2.0", or the evolution and delivery of many of the promises that the Internet originally offered. And, like any tool, those that have been around for a while knew that the Internet can and will be used as both tools for good and as a weapon for selfish, self-aggrandizing acts, subversion and propaganda.

    It was only a matter of time...

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    1. Re:A matter of time... by sgt_doom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I sort of disagree with you. What is new is that the Web is about the only place most Americans, and others in certain countries, are able to get any actual news. We certainly can't get much factual (fact-checked) news from the Wash. Post, NY Times et al.

    2. Re:A matter of time... by wizbit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Allen gaffe and to a lesser extent the Foley scandal were representative of our web-enabled, always-Google-cached, everything-logged and archived lives. I think anyone who wants to run for office has to seriously consider everything they've ever said online as potential political ammunition for the opposition. Of course, politicians have spinsters and communications staffs working hard to mitigate any potentially embarassing material out there. But in an age where all it takes is a group of bloggers with some patience, free time, and Google to unravel, for example, a major media outlet's story about a certain president's National Guard service, you know the internet has truly arrived as a deadly effective political weapon.

    3. Re:A matter of time... by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is new is that the Web is about the only place most Americans, and others in certain countries, are able to get any actual news. We certainly can't get much factual (fact-checked) news from the Wash. Post, NY Times et al.

      I find this comment funny in the context of the article. Look at any politically-oriented blog. They all spend half their time bitching about shitty, biased reporting in the "MSM", and the other half of their time breathlessly quoting whatever paper they just trashed, because that paper happened to write an article which flatters their prejudices.

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    4. Re:A matter of time... by mordors9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorta, kinda... The average guy out on the street has no clue what some political dweeb says on his blog unless the mainstream media starts reporting on it. If it looks like it could be big story the media may jump on it, to avoid being left in the dust by the rest of the herd. One really dangerous thing I see occurring is the mainstream media uses the fact it was published on the net as an excuse to do no fact checking at all as long as the net article or blog takes the position that the reporting media wants to report. They simply attribute it and make the average viewer assume that it must be true if it is being reported.

    5. Re:A matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think anyone who wants to run for office has to seriously consider everything they've ever said online as potential political ammunition for the opposition.

      What, that's new? Look at Ahnold dealing with misogynist comments he said decades ago, or Kinky Friedman being pummeled by racist punchlines from jokes he dropped from his repetoire years ago.

      Everyone has skeletons in the closet, the politicians that succed are the ones who do the best job of hiding them, or distracting everyone ("I didn't inhale/have vaginal intercourse/etc." or "This document is obviously shopped, I know this because I've memorized every typewriter ever used by the National Guard and the font wheels available for each, and by the pixels in this low res TV shot.")

      The internet just makes hiding them harder.

    6. Re:A matter of time... by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Blogs aren't the real power here. The real capacity is comments like the one you just made. People, in most cases anyone, can call someone out on a point, and asside from things like moderation systems, there's nothing ot keep people from reading them comment themselves.

      Letters to the editor won't appear until the next day, but what I'm saying right now, will crop up in a couple of seconds(once slashcode's done with it)

    7. Re:A matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Again, lack of critical thinking skills. First, why Dateline? Because it has no credibility as serious investigative journalism. Thus, a strawman designed to make your argument, which you are setting up to shoot down, seem even more outlandish. Not very honest of you.

      Second, an actual decent analogy would be the news organization getting a documenent without knowing where it came from. Maybe it came from your dream. Or maybe you gave it to them anonymously to avoid prison/retribution. In any case, in the worst case it does nothing to impugn other evidence they have. Engage brain. Consider the evidence completely exclusive of the 'fake' document. Other evidence cannot be made fake by vitue of this fake document.

      As you yourself have shown, where the document came from is very important, sometimes even moreso than when it is from. CBS was snowed by somebody and the question is who? Was it themselves (ie they made up the document)? Was it Rove? Was it some dude trying to steal credit (and how did he get it to match the other evidence)? These are valid questions that concern the document.

      You obviously have a strong opinion on this document. So tell us, where is this document from? Where was it printed? Who is the source of it? I'll save you the trouble: "I don't know", "I don't know", "I don't know". Yet you make many assumptions about its contents. Pretty sad, my brother.

    8. Re:A matter of time... by Grym · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Again, lack of critical thinking skills. First, why Dateline? Because it has no credibility as serious investigative journalism. Thus, a strawman designed to make your argument, which you are setting up to shoot down, seem even more outlandish. Not very honest of you.

      It's a hypothetical example, and the news program itself is ultimately irrelevant to my point. Would you prefer 20/20? Okay... 20/20 it is.

      Second, an actual decent analogy would be the news organization getting a document without knowing where it came from. Maybe it came from your dream. Or maybe you gave it to them anonymously to avoid prison/retribution. In any case, in the worst case it does nothing to impugn other evidence they have. Engage brain. Consider the evidence completely exclusive of the 'fake' document. Other evidence cannot be made fake by vitue of this fake document.

      I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Sure... the content of the anonymous doucment may still be true, but without a credible origin or authoritative source for the document, it might as well be made-up because it's no better than a rumor.

      And while a journalistic investigation may begin with a rumor, it certainly shouldn't end with one being the centerpiece of one's story.

      You obviously have a strong opinion on this document. So tell us, where is this document from? Where was it printed? Who is the source of it? I'll save you the trouble: "I don't know", "I don't know", "I don't know". Yet you make many assumptions about its contents. Pretty sad, my brother.

      I honestly don't. George W. Bush probably did goof off 40 years ago. I honestly couldn't give a shit about that or John Kerry's swift boat.

      I do, however, have a strong opinion about journalistic integrity, and the effect of its absence in our news organizations has hurt our nation. If you feel a major news organization should send to print any and everything that seems true at the time, fine. But I don't--let's save that crap for the entertainment magazines.

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  2. Clinton scandal? by h4ter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, I fail to see how Clinton's reaction to that Fox question constitutes a scandal. There was a REAL Clinton scandal once, but trying to shoehorn this in as anything more than a brief display of anger is pretty ridiculous.

  3. Mod parent up! by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA:
    Many of the first generation of new media platforms, including Limbaugh's show and Drudge's Web site, first flourished because of a conviction among conservatives that old media were unfair.

    Limbaugh runs a radio show. A RADIO show. People might want to look up "Tokyo Rose" from 60 years ago.

    The "change" isn't to a "new media".

    The real change is that the existing media (newspapers, TV and radio) have abandoned most of the investigative reporting.

    Now they just sit back and report on the "story" that website X is getting a lot of hits from a posting about a video clip about some politician you've never heard of.

    The "old media" is "reporting" on what the current buzz is. That's all.
    1. Re:Mod parent up! by Durandal64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with investigate reporting in politics is that it might (gasp!) lead to a conclusion! The mainstream media hates offering conclusions. Just listen to the fucking slogans. "We report, you decide." "Fair and Balanced." "We're Spineless Pussies." (Okay I made that last one up.) The press' notion of "objectivity" is simply parroting whatever government officials tell them, maybe showing a response from the opposition party and not doing a god damn thing to find out whether or not the official statement was full of shit (which it usually is). Because the minute the news starts coming down on one side, they're apparently no longer unbiased.

      People seem to have forgotten that that it is perfectly possible to arrive at a conclusion favoring one side of an argument without any bias at all. Bias is not something you deduce by saying, "Whichever side this person supports is the side he's biased toward." Bias is affects the way you look at evidence and evaluate.

      But no, everyone except Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and Keith Olbermann seems to have forgotten that there do not exist two equally-valid, logical sides to every argument, both sides of an argument do not always deserve equal consideration and in short, sometimes one side is just right, and the other is just wrong.

  4. Not just a political Weapon... by nschubach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The web has turned into the biggest gossip spreading rumor mill in history... Oprah would be proud.

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  5. Re:Clinton scandal? Huh? by grcumb · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What scandal? Oh, you mean this? "Former president Bill Clinton had a televised temper fit when an interviewer challenged his terrorism record."

    Yep, it's that balance thing again. You see, if someone points out that all the recent scandals pertain to Republicans, someone's bound to come out complaining about 'bashing' and how the Dems seem to get a free ride from the 'Liberal' media.

    No need to consider the real reasons why all the scandals these days are Republican scandals. I mean, no one really wants to admit that when one party takes advantage of the other's incompetence and timidity and runs roughshod over it in the elections, that party tends to pretty much do as it likes in office. And it gets away with bloody murder unless the opposition and the media finally grow a pair and start asking questions, which they don't. Years pass and the incumbents have started taking their privileged place at the trough for granted, which make them lazy and careless. This carelessness leads to some really stupid scandals, which finally tip the balance and let the other party take its place at the trough and complete the cycle.

    Nobody wants to talk about that, because if the citizens of a nation were to come to believe this, they'd probably have to revolt. And nobody wants that, the citizens included.

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  6. What planet are you from? by Tony · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, you're an anonymous coward, so I can't call you a gullible idiot to your face, but you are.

    He did refute the facts. He blew up at the interviewer after the interviewer pestered him for a few minutes. It was almost as if the interviewer *wanted* him to fly off the handle. Hell, the interviewer would hardly let him get a word in edgewise.

    And for your information: according to Richard Clarke (Clinton's "Terrorist Czar") and other members of the Clinton cabinet, Clinton had set up a substantial, feasible anti-terrorist plan specifically targeted to al Queda. That was one of the first things that the new President Bush dismantled, not long before he sent $42,000,000 to the Taliban. Clinton did *not* allow the nation to be attacked. If anyone did, it would be Bush, having ignored a fairly specific document titled something along the lines of, "Al Queda determined to attack on US soil," which circulated a few weeks before the attacks.

    As far as Foley sending messages that were in poor taste, those messages could be used to prosecute him for sexual misconduct if he weren't in a position of power; the fact they were directed to 15 year-old boys kind of indicates he likes 'em young.

    Draw your own conclusions.

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  7. Re:Clinton scandal? Huh? by Arcane_Rhino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To the contrary. Bill Clinton did miss several opportunities and was "weak" on terrorism in the same way that Bush 1, Regan, and, need it even be said, Carter were.

    Terrorism wasn't real for the US until the Towers came down, plain and simple.

    I don't like Clinton (and hate to give his supporters any rational defense) but the fact of the matter is that had he killed Osama, we can expect that we would have had the usual reaction of the fanatical faction of the Muslims. So although it may have prevented the Towers, that or any similar action by the terrorists would have been laid squarely at his feet ad nauseum. Furthermore, such a strike might have lost him the "lets give peace a chance" crowd who don't want to believe there is any threat even after the Towers.

    Ultimately, there was no political will on either side of the aisle to remove the terrorist threat. (I am not sure there really is now, but I digress...) At risk of sounding like a New Ager, the collective consciousness of the Islamic threat (calm down I only mean those who would do the West harm, not every Muslim) just wasn't there. It would have been political suicide for him to have removed the Osama threat, so he didn't.

    God, I feel sullied.

  8. Re:False equivalence at work, again by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why was Clinton so weak against terror? Why did he leave Bush a nation that was unprepared for an "inevitable" attack 8 months into his successor's term?

    He didn't answer. He blew up at the interviewer instead.

    Clinton wasn't weak on terror. Clinton's government actually prevented at least one 9/11 attack from happening on American soil, the attack on LAX on New Year's Eve, 1999.

    Clinton didn't leave Bush a nation "unprepared" for an inevitable attack. Bush's first actions on taking over were to dismantle Clinton's anti-terror operation. That's well documented.

    Why are you lying?

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