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One Last Spamhaus Warning Before The End

kog777 writes to mention that Spamhaus has released a final warning about an increase in junk email, as they prepare to lose their domain to an Illinois court ruling. From the article: "According to Spamhaus, more than 650 million Internet users - including those at the White House, the U.S. Army and the European Parliament - benefit from Spamhaus' 'blacklist' of spammers that helps identify which messages to block, send to a 'junk' folder or accept. Losing the domain name would make it more difficult for service providers and others to obtain the lists. 'If the domain got suspended, it would be an enormous hit for the Net,' said Steve Linford, Spamhaus' chief executive officer. 'It would create an enormous amount of damage on the Internet.'"

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  1. Re:Minor nit-pick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Major nit-pick:

    The cute word games don't change the basics of how the system operates. This isn't just a list. A very large number of mailservers automatically block mail based solely on this service. As an automated system that so many mail admins use to determine who they will or won't accept mail from, a listing operates as a defacto block.

    Ok, so your one of the responcible mail admins, and if everyone or even just a majority of mail admins did what you do, then your argument would be valid. They don't. Your in the minority - just like those that only use limewire to share texts from Project Gutenberg.

  2. Re:Illinois court was correct, fed jurisdiction .. by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    What the fuck are you talking about? How is anything you said even remotely related?

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  3. Re: The IP Address by Grishnakh · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    The problem is that the UK is the US's bitch. Any time the US asks the UK for something, no matter how ridiculous, the UK bends over and gives it to them. So Spamhaus would need to get a domain in a country that isn't the US's bitch. .ru would be a good choice.

  4. Re:Illinois court was correct, fed jurisdiction .. by MoralHazard · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I think your anger over the decision is clouding your thinking. Calm down and take a second look. The federal government, not state government "oversees" the net:


    You're an idiot, and you apparantly don't know anything about the law. Since the federal government created ICANN as a not-for-profit corporation, it is no longer a part of the government, per se. Therefore, your statement "The federal government, not state government, 'oversees' the net..." is incorrect. ICANN is nominally and practically independent of Congress and the executive branch.

    But even so, whether ICANN is an actual Federal agency or not is beside the point. If a state court decides that it has jurisdiction over a matter, it can order around whomever it damn well pleases. Were ICANN a Federal agency (it isn't), and were it actually party to the lawsuit (it isn't), there would be a strong argument that the state court has no jurisdiction But it's up to any given court to decide for itself whether it has jurisdiction, unless the matter is appealed, so this is kind of moot.

    One can also make an interstate commerce agument, again a federal jurisdiction not state:

    Now you're REALLY showing your ignorance of the law. The ICC applies to actions by Congress and the executive branch, not the courts. It's perfectly acceptable for a local or state court to enact a remedy that affects interstate commerce. They do it all the time. (This is kind of like how the 1st amendment applies to Congress, but not to the courts: a court can impose a gag order without creating a violation of the freedom of speech.)

    Your interpretation of events, not the Illinois court, is the only thing boneheaded here, assuming you are a fellow American.

    Why don't you learn a little bit about the law before you go around correcting people? Might save you some pride.

  5. Re:Minor nit-pick. by kevinbr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Who knows.......the fact is that all the people on the "block" of IP's are business customers with static IP's. France Telecom in whois describe the block not as Dynamic but as ADSL.

    In this day and age, it gives me a fuck pain in the face that a business DSL is shat upon relative to a T1 regarding spam.

    Blocking like this is just lazy. The worst aspect of that creeps like Spamhaus and AOL will NEVER unblock you. Yes they are shit lazy creeps who let MOST of the good stuff through.

    They just black list idiots like us who find a DSL link is perfectly fine for a small business email server. I mean - I pay Wanadoo/Orange/FT business rates - Wanadoo Pro......PLUS a fuck extra stupid fee for a static IP. But the world is full of lazy idiots who seem to have automated tools that troll whois and equate ALL DSL lwith spam......

    Oh.......say the spam haters.........fuck you ..... get a T1 with a real static IP. Well.......fuck that.......I just refuse to bother with anyone with AOL or with gormless spam blacking shit that is worthless. They think they have email, but they have retreated to some semi closed world ........