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Indian ISPs Taxed for Generating "Light Energy"

CaptKeen writes, "The Hindu is reporting that the Indian Government is trying to tax optical broadband providers (think fiber to the premises) for generating 'light energy.' According to the Commercial Tax Department, optical broadband providers operate on light energy which is 'artificially created and sold to customers for the purpose of data transmission and information.' This classification would make Internet access goods (since you are buying light) as opposed to service — and would be subject to a 12.5% VAT."

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  1. Attempt to re-distribute the wealth? by pauljuno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm curious as to whether or not this isn't an attempt by the Indian government to try and help re-distribute the wealth to a degree. My understanding is that there is a growing urban/rural conflict emerging as the elites in the major urban areas are growing wealther and wealthier due to outsourcing by wealthier nations to India and the rural areas continue to be rather impoverished. So the net impact on the populace is only going to be really hitting the urban areas and the new tax revenue could be used through-out the country. Not saying I like the idea of this tax, I'm just speculating on what could be the root idea behind it.

  2. Interesting question, philosophically by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So am I buying light? I'd say I'm buying information transport services. I don't want the light, I don't need the light, in fact I can't see the light and get the service I want. One could say the light is incidental to the data delivery. One could even claim you're not buying the light, but the dark pauses that carry the information.

    One way around it-- they could switch to infrared LED's, then you're not getting visible light.

    If they claim you're still getting heat, challenge them to feel the end of the fiber and detect any heat coming out.

    It does make Ben Franklin, or was it Faraday, apropos to today. Back then he was showing some govt official batteries and electromagnets. The official asked "What good is it?" Reply: "Soemday, you'll tax it".

  3. Re:This may be an Indian "April Fools" by radtea · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, to paraphrase Faraday, nothing is too stupid to be true.

    In some jurisdictions compressed air is considered a "tangible commodity" and therefore subject to sales tax (not VAT or GST, but ordinary sales tax that nominally applies only to manufactured goods.) The dive shop in my home town had a letter from the provincial government posted explaining this, as a lot of customers were asking, "Why the hell to I have to pay provicial sales tax when I get my tanks filled--isn't this a service? And aren't services not subject to provincial sales tax?"

    So the bottom line is that governments have always been willing to redefine terms and just make stuff up when it helps generate tax revenue. Much like every other human organization, in fact.

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  4. Re:100 phothons please by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The amount of light generated by the customer should be equal to the amount being generated by the other end, unless you send a significantly disproportionalte number of 1 bits versus 0 bits. See Manchester Encoding.

    The money changes hands in exchange for actually routing the data back and forth, not for providing the light. Where the light is concerned, you have a like-for-like (light-for-light?) exchange between two parties with no financial transaction involved. So basically, the companies should simply tell the government that the two parties performed a like-for-like exchange of equivalent amounts of light, and that no additional money changed hands as a result of any inequality in the number of zero (high) bits. Therefore, since 15% of zero is zero, no tax is owed. Problem solved.

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  5. Re:100 phothons please by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So basically, the companies should simply tell the government that the two parties performed a like-for-like exchange of equivalent amounts of light, and that no additional money changed hands as a result of any inequality in the number of zero (high) bits. Therefore, since 15% of zero is zero, no tax is owed. Problem solved.

    You obviously do not know how to think like a bureaucrat. You can't avoid paying taxes on transactions just because you don't use money as payment. If a like-for-like exchange was made, then clearly taxation needs to be levied in both directions, bringing the total taxation revenue level to 30%.
  6. Re:100 phothons please by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Light is _very much_ worth something.

    The power to tax is the power to destroy. So if the Indian govt. wants to destroy their "information" economy by taxing ISPs for light generating, then they are on the right track.

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