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Mozilla vs Debian Analyzed

lisah writes "Linux.com has a behind the scenes look at the history of the ongoing debates between Debian and Mozilla that predate Debian's last release, Sarge. The article also reports the issue may have been laid to rest for good now that Debian tentatively plans on calling it "Iceweasel" but attorney Larry Rosen said this never should have been a debate in the first place. In addition, Mozilla has been prompted to clarify its position on the company's marketing blog."

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  1. Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Summary, hopefully before anyone gets a chance to 'blame' Mozilla or 'blame' Debian over nothing:

    Debian don't want to include certain icons related to Firefox because the licensing of those graphics isn't consistent with the aims of their project.

    Mozilla say that's fine, as long as Debian don't call the package "Firefox".

    So Debian aren't going to call it Firefox.

    No villains, and everyone lives hapily ever after. The end.

  2. The problem is at Moz's end by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Debian really had zero options here folks. Moz Corp's new policy is simple. "Nobody releases a browser called Firefox except us or those who allow us absolute control over their releases. Period, zero exceptions." So far RedHat, SUSE and Ubuntu have agreed to cede control over ALL modifications, including prior approval of security patches to Moz Corp. Obviously Debian couldn't, wouldn't and shouldn't have done anything of the sort. Thus IceWeasel comes to Debian.

    I already made the change earlier in the year. Done right FF plugins still work so no big deal.

    --
    Democrat delenda est
  3. Matt Groening - Love is ... by khasim · · Score: 5, Informative

    Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.

    - Matt Groening

    Simpsons, Futurama, Life in Hell

  4. Re:Iceweasel? by Kelson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mozilla has exactly that. There's a compile switch that lets you choose between an officially branded Firefox with the official name, icons and logos, or an unofficial version with the name of your choice and a generic icon.

    The "problem" was that Debian didn't want to use this switch and go the unofficial route. Instead, they wrote a patch that would mix-and-match the official name with the unofficial icons and logos. Mozilla, having consulted their lawyers, said "Wait, you can't do that! It has to be one way or the other." They went back and forth, and finally Debian settled on going all unofficial.

  5. Re:Iceweasel? by thebluesgnr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Debian never wanted to go unofficial, they did so to comply with the DFSG. The Mozilla Foundation was aware that they were doing that, and they authorized Debian. Until recently, when the Mozilla Corporation changed their minds and filed a bug against Debian.

  6. Re:Iceweasel? by SirTalon42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Previously the Mozilla Foundation said it was perfectly fine for Debian to release a patched version of Firefox and to keep the name, and to use the non-official artwork (the artwork that appears if you don't run make with the --enable-official-branding switch), but out of the blue the new Mozilla Corporation decided they don't want Debian to modify Firefox at ALL and be able to keep the name (unless they submit all patches to MC to have them 'approved' for their Debian's release, the problem with that is that when Debian backports security updates they wouldn't be able to release the fixed packages ASAP, they would have to wait around for the Mozilla Corporation to get around to checking it and letting them).