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Intel Developing New Chip Designs in India
An anonymous person noted that "Intel Corporation, the $39-billion largest chip maker in the world, is developing new chip designs and processors at its India development centre to roll out the next generation of notebooks and servers, says a top company official."
Guess they dont have to worry about work visa issues in US :)
So can we look forward to the new Intel Ganges, Hoogly and Yamuna processors?
Vindaloo
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This seems unfortunate to me. Other than people from India, the world's top minds simply don't want to live in India. This means that the chips will be designed almost exclusively by people from India. There is no lack of intellect in India. However, a monocultural design team was fine back in the days of the 8086 when a small team or even an individual could design a microprocessor, but nowadays you need extremely large groups of people working in concert. When all of these people have the same background, you stifle innovation. Why Intel is willing to limit innovation by essentially ignoring Europe, the Americas, the Middle East, and the rest of Asia is hard to speculate, unless they really and truly believe this is a cost saving measure. It seems odd, though, to attempt to save money in R&D rather than in production and support. It seems an R&D laboratory in Switzerland, for example, would make more sense if they are hoping to attract top talent.
I wonder how much of this projected inovation is the result of a renewed effort, spurred by AMD's earlier challenges. I really hope that AMD keeps competing at the same level, otherwise, we'll see prices go right back up again, and definitely more of Intel's cheesy marketing.
TFA clearly says
"is working on new chipsets for the small form-factor notebook ...Validation work on server processors 5300 and 7100"
As much as I'd love India to lose the cheap indian labour tag and actually find its place in the R&D world - this could be summed up as premature ejaculation. Validation work (aka quality assurance) is not really what I'd consider worthy of mention, but chipsets are indeed a step forward - if indeed they are being designed here, not merely run through QA.
People here are comparitively cheap, but that does not automatically mean that "You get what you pay for", unless you do shop around for a bargain.
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Weren't the latest round of Intel chips (Conroe, Woodcrest, Merom) developed by Intel's Israel development center? So why is it news that they're having their Indian branch work on some newer things? I thought that was the entire point of creating development centers in various places around the globe...
This guy's the limit!
Isn't the whole "outsourcing to India" tagline a bit tired? I would expect companies like Intel to put their R&D where it's the cheapest. After all, this can constiute up to 40% of a product's cost (and possibly more with a company like Intel that is so heavily based on new hardware technologies). If India lets them bring it down to 20 or 25%, their investors are the winners and they can continue to be competitive. One more notch in the chain of possible US job losses? Yes. A smart business move? Probably.
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These Trade Agreements need to be looked at again and readjusted into Fair Trade Agreements. These need to be setup to provide some sort of protections for the foreign workers and demand an equal or better environmental protection system, similar to what the US has.
Putting both of those as requirements for "Free" Trade will not only return much work to the United States, it will also make the work that will continue to be performed outside of the US safer, cleaner and better for the workers producing those goods.
What we have now is an unsustainable system that will only result in the future failure of the US economy. Unfortunately, the only way that is going to change is if We, The People are able to replace our money worshipping leaders with a leadership that understands what "For the People, By the People" means.
If you ignore the other uses of a tool, does that make the tool less useful, or you less useful?
One thing about the whole Indian outsourcing thing that people don't mention is that companies are increasingly going overseas not for the cheap labor, but for the talent. Remember, wage pressure in India and other outsourcing destinations is increasing, and pretty soon it won't be too much cheaper to do the work overseas.
The problem we have now is that fewer people are going into technical fields. We're a nation of CEOs, project managers, liaisons, coordinators, and other non-technical people. I've noticed a lot of people in the tech field encouraging their kids not to pursue any sort of science or engineering education. That's not a shocker. First of all, going to law school or getting an MBA guarantees you a lifetime of high income. Scientists/engineers are begging for jobs, and IT types are not finding as many entry-level positions that would get them entry into the field. Second, if you do decide to pursue something technical, the jobs are not guaranteed to be there. Why beat yourself up going for an engineering degree if someone on the other side of the world will work cheaper and do a better job than you could?
Also, the work ethic and education standard in other countries is much higher. I've worked with Indian outsourcing firms, and they make up for their lack of understanding of the problem with 14 hour work days and no complaints about how low their pay is. Compare that to workers in the US, who waste their whole day grumbling about their pay and are completely lazy.
Honestly, I don't know how to fix this. If we could somehow ensure that there would still be work available for those of us who like doing technical stuff, that would help.
...maybe people will start to take notice.
o ls.html and it seems likely that at least some of them are able to teach students how to pigeonhole things as dogs, stars, problem childs, and cash cows... or whatever it is that MBAs are taught how to do.
India has dozens of http://www.indianmba.com/Top_B-Schools/top_b-scho
It also seems likely that Indian MBAs on site are at least as capable of managing colleagues as U. S. MBAs a satellite-link away.
And once management is in India, why shouldn't the CEO be there, too?
So, people are not happy when foreigners get H1 visas and come to work here.
People are not happy when companies set up shop there so they (damn foreigners) don't have to come here. Obviously, if its not America or American, it has to be inferior. And obviously, why would any talented Indian chose to live and work in India?
All Indians in India are just F class engineers and the good ones are already here. Mind you, we still hate them, but still, we have the best ones.
Such as? Users get the virtualization instruction and SSE3. Do you have more special instructions in mind?
-matthew
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India designing hardware does not bother me. The lack of quality drivers is what I'm worried about.
Anything involving chip design depends heavily not just on your patent portfolio, but on accumulating a set of minds with deep experience. Yes, you need to keep bringing in fresh genius; but you also need to retain the old, both for its continued insights and to help cultivate the new talent. So if Intel is really shipping out any of its major chip design work (as compared to testing, where the more different angles you test from the better - and which may really be all that's involved here), that's a sign that it currently values its accumulated "live capital" - its stock of engineering geniuses - low enough that it figures it might as well start over again with virgin staff elsewhere.
Now, there can be reasons for that. The American car makers are crashing because they should have fired their engineering staffs a couple of decades ago and simply started over. But has Intel really reached a similar point?
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
Consider this: If you lose 7.5% of these jobs a year in ten years, 75% of them are gone.
.925**n) * 100 percent after n years, so with n = 10, that's a hair over 54 percent.
Ummm...actually, you lose (1 -
If you lose 7.5% of these jobs a year in ten years, 75% of them are gone.
I assume that the 55% of the jobs that are lost over that ten year period are the ones held by the engineers who don't understand basic math.
The unspoken side is that the MOST overpaid jobs are not the R&D, but the executives.
Obviously as you offshore the workers, you end up offshoring the first-line managers next. At some point, it becomes sensible to offshore some second-line managers, and so on. This continues up the chain, until those left see the logical conclusion, circle the wagons, and say, "It doesn't make financial sense to offshore any higher-level jobs." Or course they mean, "financial sense for me" to offshore higher-level jobs.
But by this time, there will be a lot of experience - some of it quite high-level, walking around the streets of India, which another post has suggested has more of a revolving door than Silicon Valley in its heyday. So how long before fully Indian semiconductor companies emerge? They won't have the Intel name, but that isn't as important outside the US and Europe, especially at a much lower price.
Once we've offshored every aspect of technical operation, what's left? Is the corner office really that valuable, especially outside the US?
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
This isn't about moving American jobs overseas. The jobs left America ages ago.
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