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YouTube Accused Of Censorship

writes "According to WorldNetDaily, Youtube is engaging in censorship. A quote from the article summarizes well: The popular video-sharing YouTube site, which is being purchased by Google for $1.65 billion, limited access to a political ad that mocks the Clinton administration's policy on North Korea, but contains no profanity, nudity or other factors generally thought objectionable." It's also worth pointing out that WorldNetDaily could be described as just wee bit conservative

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  1. YouTube Is Not Censoring Dumb @ss! by gasmonso · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not YouTube per say, it's people flagging the video as inappropriate. That causes the restriction to be put on. Once YouTube became aware of that, they immediately removed the warning. I just watched the video on YouTube.

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    1. Re:YouTube Is Not Censoring Dumb @ss! by Senior+Frac · · Score: 4, Informative

      Was this comment absolutely necessary or even relevant to the story? Has free speach suddenly become restricted for a person that is "just a wee bit" one way or the other? The entire point of the accusation of censorship is that any speech at any level was moderated.

      It is a tenet of critical reading skills. We always teach our students to "consider the source" when reading and "consider the audience" when writing. Giving the reader a heads-up about any historical political bias is a legitimate act.

      I fail to see how free speech has been restricted as you appear to imply. They said it and anybody can read it. If any source has a history of being a wingnut, of any persuasion, policital or otherwise, then potential readers will benefit from knowing.

    2. Re:YouTube Is Not Censoring Dumb @ss! by crabpeople · · Score: 3, Informative
      "Because a tenet of critical reading skills is to pigeonhole your source"

      You're right. As I am sure its an unbiased site, lets take a sampling of other headlines from this wonderful site:

      Why liberals channel Lucifer
            - By Kevin McCullough

      The underestimated communicator
            - By David Limbaugh
      (Pro bush article)

      More talk won't stop nuclear Iran
            - By Jerome Corsi

      And regarding the video (did you even watch it?), it was just complete flamebait and should have been blocked. I mean it was from the director of scary movie, aka fart jokes for 10 year olds.. His political intelligence obviously hasnt matured much beyond that.
      Do you also hate it when people forwarn you about going to goatse links? Or would you prefer that goatse wasn't "pigeonholled"?

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    3. Re:YouTube Is Not Censoring Dumb @ss! by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wow, I can already tell where you get your news by your dropping slogans like "all carrot no stick." The "stick" we had under Clinton was on-site inspections and cameras installed in NK's reactor(s). The problems arose when NK tried to build another reactor in secret and Bush walked away from diplomacy. For some reason he thinks that diplomacy is a reward for good behavior. In reality, you use diplomacy to impose limits on your enemies through some given and take. The dynamics always change and shady characters like KJI are always going to try topush the limits and cheat. The trick is to maintain your containment. Now, under Bush's "we're taking our ball and going home" approach, we've got a NK testing bombs. Now, which President is the fuckup?

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  2. bogus by Stalyn · · Score: 5, Informative

    The video is up and no longer flagged. A video becomes flagged when enough users mark it and then a YouTube employee will either verify it should be removed/flagged. In this case they removed the initial flag and kept the video.

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    1. Re:bogus by Stalyn · · Score: 5, Informative

      YouTube users can flag any video as containing pornography, mature content or graphic violence, depicting illegal acts or being racially or ethnically offensive. A video is removed -- as Ms. Malkin's was on Sept. 28 -- only if a review by the company's customer support department agrees that it is inappropriate, or that the video is on its face in violation of the site's terms of use.

      NYTimes - "A Slippery Slope of Censorship at YouTube"

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  3. So what? by endemoniada · · Score: 3, Informative

    Youtube is a "private" site. It can, and obviously will, censor whatever the hell it will.

    There is no constitution on the Internet. There is no free speech. There is only the right to say whatever the hell you want, and hope someone will listen to you. If they don't, too bad.

    That said, I don't approve of censoring anything. I think it's cowardly and serves no real purpose other than to shield people from things they may not necessarily want to be shielded from. But it IS the right of youtube to chose what they want to have on their site, and what the don't want. Obviously, they don't want people being overly political. That's their call.

    Deal with it.

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  4. Re:Subjective "Reporting" by enrevanche · · Score: 5, Informative
    subjective, let's see a quote from a blogger
    "Perfectly OK to show our soldiers getting killed, but they'll be damned if they allow that anti-democrat ad," added "Spaceman Spiff" in a "Newsbusters online dialogue. "This [is] very scary to me. However, not surprising. But, now that they are owned by Google, we'll certainly be seeing a lot more of this censoring."

    let's see this quote from the article
    Sheffield said he believes the intention of YouTube's "censorship squad" was to limit access. Even though the same video may be available somewhere else, such as the Drudge Report, "lots of non-political and moderate folks don't read Drudge, but they might hear about the video from a friend and try to look it up in the search engine, only to be foiled in their attempts to decide whether it was truly 'objectionable.'"

    and another gem of reporting
    Bloggers also reported that the Council on American Islamic Relations has in the past taken steps to have anti-radical Islamist videos pulled from the YouTube site, and Malkin said she was told her video was pulled because it was "inappropriate."

    This article is an opinion piece, it looks nothing like a factual article. It uses quotes form unknown bloggers as evidence. It presents only one side of the story. It does not try for even a second to be objective. For a factual article, it does not know when the movie was posted, how long it was freely availble, how long it was restricted and when it came unrestricted again. It makes a big deal out of nothing because youtubes policy is to investigate after someone marks a video as objectionable. These idiots would be all over youtube if they ran a different policy because children could be potentially exposed to nudity.

    This article is about a censorship that is not even a censorship but the normal processes at google. This article simply attempts to resell the story to the American public that the media has liberal bias.

  5. Censoring is a Govm Thing . . . by Dausha · · Score: 4, Informative

    YouTube is not, in my mind at least, capable of censoring. YouTube is a private enterprise, not the Government. You have no First Amendment recourse against YouTube. As there is no recourse, there is no censoring.

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  6. It is scrubbing for Google merger. by funwithBSD · · Score: 3, Informative
    Disclaimer: I vote my way, that tends to be conservative, but I have voted for Democrats in the past, such as Clinton in 1992.

    They have banned several Conservative video makers, including Michelle Malkin and HotAir. They have done so recently, despite carrying the videos for over a year without any issues.

    Now, Google, the company that bought them, has refused to carry Michelle, LFG, and others as NEWS sites based on the fact that they blog, not present new news. Here are the letters from Google:


    Hi Michelle,

    Thank you for your note. We have reviewed www.michellemalkin.com but cannot include it in Google News at this time. We do not include news-related blogs or other news-related sites that are written and maintained by a single individual. Similarly, we do not include sites that do not have a formal editorial review process. We appreciate your taking the time to contact us and will log your site for consideration should our requirements change.

    Regards,
    The Google Team

    And LGF:


    Hi Charles,

    Thank you for your note. We reviewed http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog and cannot include it in Google News at this time. We do not include sites that are purely news aggregators, and we were not able to find any stories on your site that were not from outside sources.

    We will log your site for consideration should we alter our policy. Thanks again for taking the time to contact us.

    Regards,
    The Google Team


    BUT they allow several other blogs to be indexed as news, as Charles from LGF points out:


    Note that the Google News index now searches quite a few blogs (including Power Line, Polipundit, and Wonkette) and includes other sites with, to say the least, serious credibility problems (including hard-core anarchist site Infoshop, and Justin Raimondo's paleocon antisemitic site antiwar.com). In this context, Google's reply to me seems rather odd.


    Other sites of questionable news worthyness but indexed as news: Democratic Underground, Uruknet.info, and Dailykos.

    Now if you want to hold yourself out as a "News" indexing service that only indexes news and claim no bias, you have serious issues. Lets point out that Google donates almost exclusively to Democrat candidates and causes and you have a clear bias.

    A clear bias when you claim to have none is a problem

    I am resonably convinced, barring YouTube or Google coming out and saying it, that they scrubbed the videos as part of the merger deal. As in, no scrub, no deal.

    Source for above info: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001431.htm . Yes yes, she is involved and has an axe to grind, but she also puts together the facts nicely.
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  7. Re:objectionable? by gbulmash · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you filter out content based on profanity, isn't that also censorship?

    First, censoring is more than just putting up a warning that the content might not be suitable for certain viewers, which is all YouTube did, according to TFA.

    Second, also according to TFA, the warning was automatically added once someone offended by the content flagged it as offensive. The warning wasn't permanent, but was just tacked on until YouTube could have a real person review the video to check if it was accurately flagged. Once reviewed, the warning could removed, left in place, or the video could be deleted.

    When I just went to watch, there was no warning. This means either the video got to the head of the review queue by normal processes and was determined to have been improperly flagged, or the tempest in a teapot got it jumped to the head of the queue where the determination was made.

    As for users flagging it as offensive... I made a political joke in one post at Slashdot and had so many people hitting it with downmods and upmods, I lost my posting privileges for three weeks (a "timeout") for getting too many downmods in a specific time period (almost all from that ONE post). So it's VERY believable that enough left-leaning people would flag such a video as offensive as to trip whatever limit was needed to get the warning placed. I'm also sure something equally offensive to right-leaning people would be equally flagged.

    But in the long run, the warning gets on, the video goes into a reviewing queue, and a human at YouTube eventually reviews it. But with the size of their staff, the size of their traffic, and the potential number of videos getting flagged daily, it's highly probable that they'd take a couple of days for it to reach the top of the queue.

    Seems that this is more a deliberate publicity ploy. By fooling people who don't actually pay close attention to the facts, they made it sound like the video was unfairly censored by YouTube itself (or its staff) as opposed to going through a standard process. Then those people, with a sense of moral outrage, tell everyone they know... getting the video hundreds of thousands of future viewings.

    - Greg