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iPod Killers For the Holidays

An anonymous reader writes, "MP3 Newswire has an excellent rundown of 29 new digital portables for the upcoming season. From the article: 'We have run the iPod Killers for Christmas/Summer series since 2004. In that time we [have] reported on 149 portable players and NOT one iPod killer from the bunch. That said, [this time] we may actually have a couple of genuine challengers to Apple. This holiday season will see Microsoft pump tens-of-millions of dollars to hawk their new Zune portable, and SanDisk's 8GB e280 flash unit is compelling high-end users. Both can realistically grab double-digit market share from the iPod... Whether they do or not waits to be seen.' The article also makes a good case as to why the Sony PSP should be included in market figures for digital media portables."

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  1. Read the headline by BeeBeard · · Score: 4, Funny

    and instantly thought that Santa just delivered a sleigh full of Sony batteries to the iPod factory.

  2. Nothing can kill the iPod by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think anything that i've seen really has the power to kill the iPod, or even in any way harm the iPod. Sure SanDisk has an 8 GB model. But I just checked the Apple site, and they have an 8GB model for the same price as sandisk. The Zune does look kind of interesting. It has a nice price point for the features, but I don't really see it being an iPod killer. Where do you buy videos to play on it? Nobody knows, but everybody knows you can buy videos for the iPod from iTunes. Same goes for songs. Although it's nice to see a couple of real competitors, I don't think either of these will take top spot.

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    1. Re:Nothing can kill the iPod by Grave · · Score: 4, Informative

      Really? That's odd, because I very definitely held a Zune in my hand as it played a video.

  3. Archos 604 WiFi/Touchscreen is Perfect! by Vr6dub · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I can't wait for this one to come out! I feel it's a great bridge between your home computer and your portable life. I was initially interested in a UMPC but I realized I didn't need all the features and added cost...>$1000. The only reason I considered a UMPC over a video iPod was for occasional internet access. With the 604 Wifi I get everything I wanted in a smaller, lighter, more power efficient product. I just wish they would announce a release date and offer it with a larger hard drive.

    I do like the iPod's size but my primary use would be in the car or visiting a friends house, or my bedroom for that matter (much lighter than a laptop). I guess if you were walking around a campus or just plain need something that will comfortably fit in your pocket the iPod or similar product is for you.

  4. Easy + Accessories + Everybody's got one + Cool by superkpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone been to a Walmart/Target/Best Buy/Circuit City/Fry's/Apple Store lately? Notice the insane amount of accessories available for the iPod? Anyone notice that more and more car manufacturers are including ports or docks for iPods in their cars?

    I'm not sure what the 'average' consumer is thinking about when purchasing a digital music player, but to know that there are a gazillion after-market items I can get for an iPod is somewhat comforting. Plus, the ubiquitity of the iPod means millions of websites devoted to tips, info, hacks, etc. for the iPod. And don't forget the 'cool' factor (which is hard to put into words).

    Do not get me wrong. I have a couple of issues with the iPod. I used to own a Minidisc player (EXCELLENT hardware, TERRIBLE software). It had swappable, rechargeable, gumstick batteries. Plus, the exterior didn't scratch easily. And the battery life was incredible.

    But come on, iPods are INSANELY easy to dump music to. I don't even use iTunes and it's still insanely easy. Drag and drop will always be the best way for us geeks to get our music on these things, but the ease of use, the ubiquitity of accessories and information, and, finally, the cool factor will make it very hard for any other player to make strong inroads into the market.

  5. Killer by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    [Setting: the Slashdot editors sit around a meeting room]
    CmdrTaco: Ok, it's Saturday night and anyone with a life is out doing stuff. But we need more material to keep our ad revenue coming in.
    *Everyone nods*
    CmdrTaco: So what have you got?
    kdawson: KILLER!
    CmdrTaco: Quiet, kdawson, Zonk is speaking.
    Zonk: Well, I could write in as an anonymous reader and we could talk about MP3 players. The kids love those, don't they?
    kdawson: KILLER!
    CmdrTaco: Kdawson, I don't want to have to warn you again. I love it, Zonk. But what will we title it?
    Zonk: How about 'Some More Electronics for You to Buy.'
    CmdrTaco: Nah, not enough edge, anyone else? kdawson, do you have something constructive to suggest?
    kdawson: Yeah, 'The Killer Devices that Kill iPods in the Killing Fields for the Killing Season ... Killer.'
    CmdrTaco: You may have something there, kdawson ... there's something fresh and new with the word 'killer.' Print it, push out the plum.
    kdawson: Killer.

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    1. Re:Killer by Khuffie · · Score: 4, Funny
      Your writing is unbelievable. Slashdot readers having a life? Out doing stuff on Saturday nights? Jeez, why don't you write something realistic for once!

      Killer!

  6. Really? by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are these going to be iPod killers or more along the lines of those henchmen sent to kill James Bond? The iPod's still going strong after years of predictions and they're still making Bond movies. On a more serious note, why is everyone so obsessed with making an iPod killer? How about just making a damn good MP3/music player? When companies become so obsessed with killing the iPod, they will inevitably try to imitate it and box in their own thinking. Maybe the iPod isn't the thing to focus on at all.

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  7. Slanted review. PSP is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    While it might be a moderately enjoyable gaming platform to some, PSP is by no means a portable mp3 device in the traditional sense and should not be included in the same category. For one, it's crippled from the outset with a sub-standard storage media - UMD. It has a terrible battery life, does not offer the same kids of options you would get from Archos, Cowon, or even iPod.

    The writer (Richard Menta) has a well-known bias for PSP. For example:
    It's interesting how the best portable media player on the market today is never mentioned as an iPod Killer. That honor goes to the Sony PSP, which offers a good MP3 player and a superior video/movie player that trumps the iPod in picture quality.

    PSP is the most user-hostile portable device out there, complete with awful, proprietary technologies usually found in Sony products. That's the reason why DS/Lite is eating Sony's lunch. The market even rejected PSP on its own turf.

    Plugging PSP into the iPod competitor column is disingenuous. My cellphone can play MP3s too, I don't see it on there.
  8. Re:Let's make a rule by adisakp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or until they can be on the front page of every newssite when Oprah and Bono go out shopping for one together.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2006/10/13/AR2006101300161.html

    Nothing will be an iPod killer unless they grab the mindshare. Kids aren't asking their parents for MP3 Players for XMas. They're asking for iPods - specifically and by name. An iPod killer can't just be as good as an iPod. It has to be way better and have people know what it is for it to be a success.

  9. SanDisk fails immediately by AaronLawrence · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Calling a product an "e280" is completely uninteresting and stumbles at the first step of competing with iPod. "I bought an MP3 player." "Oh, which ipod?" "Not an ipod, an ... er... e280" "a what?"
    Of course you can't have brand product recognition immediately, but you can't build it with just another anonymous product number, swimming in a sea of technology with similar numbers.

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  10. Re:Let's make a rule by Propaganda13 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, in that case, Maytag makes an Ipod killer. Too bad, it doesn't play mp3s.

  11. Re:The Archos 504 by dal20402 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You'll fall down the stairs if you carry one of these... while it's a neat gadget, at 11.15 ounces, it's not exactly a direct competitor to any iPod. Using a 2.5" hard disk necessarily compromises the size and weight.

    (Your claimed battery life for the iPod is also way too short.)

  12. stylish compact cheap(free) music by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Look at many advancement in "content delivery" and we see that consumer acceptance of the machine is only half the issue. The other half is convincing "content owners" to buy into the product. These are somewhat competing goals. Consumers want a cool product and don't necessarily want to buy new content every time the format changes. Producers want to sell content and make sure consumers can't steal it.

    What Apple has done, and is continuing to do, is forcing the "content producers" to stop the chain of forced redundacy. My father replaced discs with 8 tracks with LPs. I replaced tapes with LPs with CDs. Now with music in MP3 form, will I every have to buy an old song again. No. Do I think it was easy for Apple to convince the music label to give up this cash cow. No, even though the labels had little choice because it was the only way to have sales. However, Apple has done us a great favor by insisting on a reasonable price.

    Now that the labels have done the hard work, all the other electronic manufacturers are on the band wagon, claiming superior products. The problem is that I buy music in WMP format, I am not any better off than just buying a CD. So I have a choice of buying a player whose songs might have a limited lifetime, or a player that will likely be supported for a long time. Face it, MS has already given up on play for sure, so how long will those songs be useful?

    But music isn't really the issue. Apple is moving against the movie studios, and right now video is not even a huge issue. A good quality half hour show is going to be twice as big as a good quality copy of a CD. Other than hugely popular shows, the level of sharing of movies is not as great as music. And despite the fact that the movie studios are not a present threatened, Apple is still forcing them to make deals that will force a new model of making money, even more so than the VCR, which was a huge cash cow, and now the DVD.

    And the competition is responding by making MP3 players with radios and 'wireless' sharing, even though we have been sharing "wireless" for years. Maybe if it was a HD radio I might be impressed, but style has always been secondary to content. Look around you. The 12-25 year old demographic is thinking which one of these can I get free music on. It is like the the 12-25 demographic 20 years ago, buying computers based on what had free software. One kid buys a CD, rips it to WMP, ops, can't give load it onto another play for sure player. Another kids rips the CD to ACC. No problem loading it onto many iPods, or burning it onto a CD. As the past 50 years of widely profitable Music has shown, the kids will eventually buy music. And everyone will be rich beyond belief, but the labels ignore history. Just remember how much they hated MTV, and in a large part was responsible for the lack of music on MTV, even though MTV was arguably a major player in the revitalization of music. I see the same thing with iTunes, with people buying music for the first time in years.

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  13. Re:Why exactly is the Ipod cool???? by sirket · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can't change the battery because adding a removable cover for it would make the iPod far larger than it currently is. Considering the 24+ hours available from a single charge on some models, and the much larger number of charge cycles available from lithium ion batteries today this becomes a moot point. You don't need to change it so don't worry about it. (This isn't the 1st generation iPod).

    iTunes is a simple, easy to use interface. That said- there are third party interfaces including ones that run under Linux.

    What conversion are you talking about? The iPod groks mp3 natively- it doesn't do any conversions. AAC is the format Apples sells songs from iTunes in- but that's only songs you buy from iTunes. Perhaps you are thinking of the cracked conversions Sony did with their moronic ATRAC format.

    Your dragging question is the same as the iTunes question. Either use iTunes or use a third party app. I use iTunes even without an iPod. I used winamp 3 (IIRC) and never seriosuly considered winamp after that. Is iTunes perfect? Hardly- but it does the job and gives me no grief.

    Looks are purely subject and up to you. That said- ever held an iPod? They feel solid. Everything about them feels right. The interface is simple, the buttons and scroll wheel are perfect, and the screen on the newest models is gorgeous. It isn't just about looking cool- they are beautifully designed, inside and out.

    -sirket

  14. Re:Nothing new by Toby_Tyke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to think along the same lines. I was planning to buy a player that supported ogg, but I never found one that I liked, and I have since given up on the ogg format. It is simply never, ever, going to be widely adopted enough for the player manufacturers to bother supporting it. Sorry.

    The reasons are many and varied, but the main one is, quite simply, the problem it solves is not a problem many people actually have. Ogg was an attempt to create a compressed audio standard unencumbered by licensing, which could replace MP3. Which is all well and good, except I have never, since the day I first became aware of MP3, been unable to download a piece of free (as in beer) software which would encode MP3s for me. I have never been unable to do something with an MP3 because of the license the format is issued under. In short, MP3 is free enough for me.

    If you look at the two other most widely used compressed audio formats, WMA and AAC, they both have (near) monopolies pushing them. The most popular digital audio player and online music store uses AAC. The OS preinstalled on 90+ percent of computers sold in the world ships with a media player that supports playing and ripping WMAs. Who is pushing ogg?

    The market for ogg is basically limited to linux users, and most of us are using MP3 anyway. There is no reason for any company to push it, and really very little reason to use it. I know it's supposed to be highter quality, but A, I can't hear the difference, and B, why would I want a high quality compressed audio format? To play on my portable music player, which supports which formats? Oh, yeah.

    *NOTE TO PEDANTS - Yes, I am aware of the difference between the ogg container format and the vorbis codec. I just can't be bothered to type ogg vorbis every time.

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  15. Re:Why exactly is the Ipod cool???? by Craig+Davison · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some features that make the iPod great:
    - The click wheel and the UI are well-designed
    - The output quality and bundled earphones are good
    - The design is classic, and it feels solid and well-made

    You can't just drag files onto the ipod because it maintains a database of the songs in your collection. If you don't like iTunes, you can use a number of programs to maintain the collection, like Winamp.
    A database is better than using the filesystem for your music collection because it allows you to find your songs with multiple indexes - artist, album, genre, etc. Using the filesystem, you have to pick a sorting system and stick with it - say, one folder per album. Every music player app made this decade uses a music collection database. If you haven't organized your music this way, it's your loss.
    The iPod isn't cool any more than a cellphone is cool. It's just another device you carry around with you. It happens to be both a very popular device and a best of breed device. If that doesn't sit well with you, I guess that's sour grapes.