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Backyard Rocketeers Keep the Solid Fuel Burning

Jamie Clay points out a New York Times article about one sticky wicket faced by members of the Tripoli Rocketry Association, whose members are some of the private citizens trying to bust into the space-launch business (or just having fun) by financing and building their own rockets. An excerpt: "On Tuesday, lawyers representing Tripoli and the National Association of Rocketry and officials of the firearms bureau will head to Federal District Court in Washington to resolve the seven-year-old dispute over the hobbyists' use of a flammable propellant, ammonium perchlorate composite, or APCP. The chemical is the main ingredient on the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. ... The firearms bureau classifies APCP as an explosive and, amid post-Sept. 11 security concerns, requires that anyone who uses more than two ounces of propellant undergo federal background checks."

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  1. Shut them down! by lostngone · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Why does someone NEED to build that kind of rocket. If the hobbyist can do it so can a Terrorist. If we can save just one life it will have been worth it.

  2. Re:Well, they *are* making ROCKETS! by Dunbal · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    The population's denser and the US has more enemies now than we did then.

          You can thank a government that bases its foreign policy on lies, threats, arrogance and bullying for that. Oh but you'll never hear of THAT on CNN. You have to actually live OUTSIDE the US to understand.

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  3. Re:more then the background check... by fishbowl · · Score: 1, Flamebait


    "Yep. I live in Houston, TX and the city has decided that you need an explosive storage permit to keep any. And they won't give a permit to anyone in a residential area."

    I would actively work to ensure that position is maintained.

    "(A club member found out after paying the non-refundable permit fee of over $200."

    It was his responsibility. They didn't change the policy after he paid them, did they?

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  4. Re:more then the background check... by fishbowl · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "If you would work to keep that position maintained, then you either have nothing but free time to waste, or don't put your energy in the right direction."

    Oh really? I have a legitimate interest in local fire codes.

    >"Please, won't someone please think of the children!"

    Oh I don't give a flying goddamned fuck about some vermin children. I want the guy with the fireworks factory in his garage to choose between going to prison for felony bombmaking activities, or putting a legitimate bond up front for whatever his neighbors think is appropriate. And that amount will be up to them, not him.

    We aren't talking about gasoline. We are talking about someone intentionally handling dangerous materials in violation of the law and without notifying people who could be affected. A reasonable person could call a gasoline fire an accident. A reasonable person might have a big problem with a secret fireworks lab.

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  5. Re:more then the background check... by Tablizer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    the composite propellant they regulate isn't an explosive. It just burns hot and fast. Homes have all kinds of items more dangerous to firefighters in them and no permit is needed, including: gasoline in cans, aerosol cans, propane bottles (I have 6 for my grill), insecticides, ammo for guns, etc.

    Simple, then power the rockets with *those*.

  6. Turn them into Terrorists! by lostngone · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    As far as I'm concerned, that materiel should all be outlawed and anyone found with that materiel in any large quantity arrested and thrown into jail. . I have a constitutional right to bare arms. These rocket pukes didn't help the gun community out when the 1986 machine gun ban was pushed through or during the Clinton assault rifles ban. . Guess what the shoe is on the other foot now and I say let them rot.

  7. Re:It's only sane if residential means residential by the+Gray+Mouser · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    [QUOTE=jd]The easiest way to resolve this, in my humble(ish) opinion, would be to have State-run storage facilities and launch facilities for amateur rocketeers... [/QUOTE] Why get the state involved? I don't really want my taxes subsidizing someone else's hobby. Let the rocketeers all chip in and buy some secure storage facility somewhere. If that's too expensive or troublesome, it may be time to choose a different hobby.