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Backyard Rocketeers Keep the Solid Fuel Burning

Jamie Clay points out a New York Times article about one sticky wicket faced by members of the Tripoli Rocketry Association, whose members are some of the private citizens trying to bust into the space-launch business (or just having fun) by financing and building their own rockets. An excerpt: "On Tuesday, lawyers representing Tripoli and the National Association of Rocketry and officials of the firearms bureau will head to Federal District Court in Washington to resolve the seven-year-old dispute over the hobbyists' use of a flammable propellant, ammonium perchlorate composite, or APCP. The chemical is the main ingredient on the space shuttle's solid rocket boosters. ... The firearms bureau classifies APCP as an explosive and, amid post-Sept. 11 security concerns, requires that anyone who uses more than two ounces of propellant undergo federal background checks."

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  1. more then the background check... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have some rocket friends that are into the high power stuff... It is not even the background check that bothers them, it is some of the insane storage requirements. To legally store more then a small amount, you must submit floor plans of where it is stored, and local authorities MUST have a key to the location, and have full rights to inspect the location at any time, as often as they want. So nevermind the local law enforcement or FBI wandering around your house at 2 in the morning, there is nothing you can do...

    Most of the people I know gave up at this point, or built small storage sheds that were up to code just to house their fuel which technically, according to the FBI, is not explosive anyway. (it burns rapidly, but does not explode, there IS a big difference actually)

  2. Re:Well, they *are* making ROCKETS! by theLOUDroom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's amazing the way things have changed in this country.
    One used to be able to ride their horse down to the general store and buy whole sticks of dynamite.
    What happened to personal responsibility? Land of the free?

    We're all a bunch of scared little babies. In my state, you can't even buy sparklers anymore!

    These regulations should be relaxed by at least a factor of ten. Model rocketry is a great hobby. It is something the state should promote.

    There are entirely too many people willing to treat every citizen as a potential terrorist in response to a threat that is much more remote than even a simple traffic accident.
    Sure, there's a risk associated with every freedom, but let's be realistic. Being terrified because someone has three ounces of explosives does no one any good.

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    Life is too short to proofread.
  3. "Sticky Wicket" by chr1sb · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those not familiar with the term "sticky wicket", it is a cricketing term referring to the state of the cricket pitch. A sticky wicket is typically one that contains too much surface moisture, and can cause the ball to deviate unpredictably as it bounces in front of the batsman. A cricket ball is similar in size and mass to a baseball, and can be bowled at a batsman's body (or head :). Batting on a sticky wicket is a lot less fun than bowling (pitching) on it!

  4. Re:Shut them down! by frogstar_robot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why does someone NEED to build that kind of rocket. If the hobbyist can do it so can a Terrorist. If we can save just one life it will have been worth it.



    Terrorists only win when they manage to terrorize people. You sir are a loser.

    These restrictions will save no lives. Real terrorists with real funding will still have the freedom to carry out attacks while real people lose their freedom. A terrorist pulls an attack then you find him and buddies and hand out some hurt. The terrorists' paymasters and masterminds use young indoctrinated hotheads as their tools and mostly don't want to die themselves. See to it they die. This is how you fight terrorists. Taking freedoms away from people who aren't terrorists doesn't do a damn thing. Terrorists will just find another unplugged hole and put on another show. How we react determines whether they win or we win.

    Terrorists love the likes of you. You give them victory on a silver platter.
  5. Re:Well, they *are* making ROCKETS! by dsanfte · · Score: 5, Funny
    "They can't launch a model rocket because they did something stupid in collage?"


    Well that depends, some of those college art classes are havens for subversive types. I mean, all those girls with dark clothing and piercings, you know they're up to something. Probably just creating more body cavities in which to hide rocket fuel for the terrorists.
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    occultae nullus est respectus musicae - originally a Greek proverb
  6. Photography is now a terrorist act. by sakusha · · Score: 5, Informative

    These ridiculous restrictions on chemicals sounds familiar, I've run into the same thing in my trade, photographic printing.

    I work in antique photochemistry processes, and the chemicals I've used are now subject to regulation by the Department of Homeland Security and the Drug Enforcement Agency. Just last month, I was checking prices at the same supplier I've used for 30 years, and to reorder the same old chemicals, now I have to file DHS forms with the vendor, including a copy of my photo ID, the location where I will store the chemicals, a detailed description of the chemical formula I use, and a waiver allowing the DHS and DEA to inspect the records at will. I phoned the supplier and asked about these forms, and they said, "oh don't worry about it, we've only had DHS inspect the records 2 or 3 times." Oh I feel so much better after hearing that.

    So now I know why the processes I use have almost completely disappeared in the last few years. Nobody wants to subject themselves to scrutiny by the DHS just to make a few prints. The really stupid thing about this is, the chemicals on the restricted list aren't really the most dangerous ones, you can buy stuff from the same supplier that's way more hazardous without filing any paperwork.

  7. Paraffin/LOX hybrids by Josh+Triplett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work with the Portland State Aerospace Society. We build open source rockets, in every sense of the term: you can find all the details of our work on our site, including software, avionics designs, airframe schematics, and engine/propulsion work. We currently use ammonium perchlorate engines, and we do indeed have to deal with these issues, which prove quite onerous. For this reason, our propulsion team currently has as their primary project the development of a hybrid paraffin and liquid oxygen motor. Both of these components have no regulatory issues whatsoever: the paraffin wax came from a craft store, and the liquid oxygen came from a welding supply store (or with the right equipment, you could make it yourself). Their test-fires have gone quite well; in addition to testing paraffin/GOX, they've also test-fired salami/GOX, which actually provided more thrust than the paraffin prototype tested that particular day. :)

    That just leaves us having to deal with any restrictions on active guidance that get thrown our way, which we'll deal with when we finish our active-guidance prototype.