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Sony Blu-ray Media Center

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the insane-hardware dept.

An anonymous reader writes "Sony announced its Blu-ray equipped VGX-XL202 media center box a while back and a full review has finally appeared. This looks like it could be the ultimate media center PC with a Blu-ray re-writer, HDMI and HDCP enabled NVidia graphics, integrated wireless, gigabit ethernet, digital TV tuner and twin hard disks. Unfortunately it doesn't come cheap."

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  1. Die in a fire by Yfrwlf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Blue ray can die in a fire. It's expensive because it's proprietary crap. Wake me up when a technology comes out that is allowed by the U.S. government to have some competition with it instead of creating an "intellectual property" monopoly. Maybe after it's patent expires? Maybe in five years it will actually be an affordable alternative?

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  2. The most important part of the article... by Dster76 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...and the most depressing:

    I actually used the Sony to finally answer a question that I've been wondering about for a while. What happens what you try and watch an HDCP encrypted movie on a display without HDCP? I hooked up a bog standard 17in, 1,280 x 1,024 display and tried to play a movie. The supplied InterVideo WinDVD BD software started to play and then stopped - and that was that. So there you go - the disc won't even play.
    1. Re:The most important part of the article... by Ant+P. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good thing they warned us - now we have proof that pirating will get you a more reliable product.

  3. Strange type of review by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seemed to me that this reviewer wanted to give this product a "good" review in face of a lot of evidence against.

    - The extremely high price, yes, we can set that to one side for "new" technology.
    - Then you have the "No output at all without HDCP" problem (although early adopters should know this already)
    - Then you have the software problems related to Blu-Ray which stop you using the built-in software that plays EVERYTHING else (and only Vista will support Blu-Ray properly, it seems).
    - Then the right-handed-only keyboard/mouse combo (instantly denying comfortable use by a fair percentage of the population)
    - Then the spurious errors and crashes
    - The Keyboard's high power usage (4AA's)
    - No SCART/DVI-I ports *at all*
    - Single TV Tuner preventing simultaneous viewing/recording
    - Frame-rate issues (Possibly the most worrying problem)
    - Possible minor quality issues on the playback

    But yet the summary of the article is almost 100% positive about it.

    1. Re:Strange type of review by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It says it may be "the ultimate media center" but only has one tuner. This is a massive pitfall. A Tivo-like system that has only one tuner isn't Tivo-like at all. It is a VCR that records to a hard drive. The difference between 1 tuner and 2 is immense.
      I was very surprised to discover that there's only a single TV Tuner supplied. It's DVB-T and unlike the Acer Idea 500 Media Center I recently reviewed, it managed to find a good number of channels first time off but it means you can only watch the channel being recorded - very frustrating. That said, anyone considering a machine like this with the high price premium of the Blu-ray drive probably has a Sky HD box at home.
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  4. 8 out of 10? Sounds more like 2 out of 10 to me. by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You've got to be kidding me. Keep in mind while you read this that this device costs around $3,360 USD.

    If this thing gets an overall 8 out of 10, I can't help but wonder how a device can possibly get dinged for less. I mean, really, from TFA:

    What happens what you try and watch an HDCP encrypted movie on a display without HDCP? I hooked up a bog standard 17in, 1,280 x 1,024 display and tried to play a movie. The supplied InterVideo WinDVD BD software started to play and then stopped - and that was that. So there you go - the disc won't even play.

    So your fancy expensive toy won't let you watch your movies.

    Storage comes courtesy of a couple of 250GB 7,200rpm Seagate Barracuda hard disks

    All that money, and it stores less than one of my desktop's hard drives

    Being a Sony, there's plenty of preinstalled software on the system, highlights of which are Adobe Photoshop Elements and Premier Elements, along with Norton Internet Security. There's also a trial version of Microsoft Office.

    Ooh, around $150 worth of software, which they've undoubtedly OEMed for probably less than $20.

    I was very surprised to discover that there's only a single TV Tuner supplied.

    So you can only record one television station at a time. I hope you don't have two favorite shows that happen to come on back-to-back, or you're just SOL. Even my five-year-old TiVo has dual tuners, and it's not you can't get a dual-tuner component for less than $70.

    To play a Blu-ray disc you need to use dedicated software that can handle the HDCP part of the AACS encryption standard and Media Center can't do this at present.

    This extra bit of complication brought to you courtesy of the letters D, R, and M.

    I contacted Microsoft about this and it confirmed to me that there will be a plug-in for Vista that at the very least will let you launch an external application, such as InterVideo when you try to play a Blu-ray disc from inside MCE... For now though, to play the movie from the sofa you'll have to pick up the keyboard—although at least it's wireless.

    Oh, so to play our movies, we'll have to actually upgrade to Vista when it comes out. Good, because it's not like you've already spent enough to buy the box itself, right? And I'm sorry, I'm not going to use a frickin' keyboard to play a frickin' movie from my frickin' DVD player on my frickin' tv.

    The software supplied is InterVideo WinDVD BD for VAIO, a rather convoluted title. On first attempt we got a region code error message. I then went into the software and selected Region B.

    Yet more hoops to jump through to play a movie, again brought to you by the letters D, R, and M.

    There was again a step up but the overall experience was marred by grain and noise. In terms of immediacy the quality was not as impressive as the lush samples you see demoed in stores with super detailed close ups of flowers. There was also a hint of the system struggling with the frame rate at times.

    Oh, now we see why it earned an 8 out of 10! Oh, wait, those are bad things, aren't they? Well, all of that is worth it if we get image quality that knocks our socks off, so let's get to the bottom line:

    It was as clear as day to me, but actually not everyone in the office could make this out or was impressed by it. In fact many were as under-whelmed as I was when I first saw Blu-ray at the launch of the Samsung player last month.

    I then hooked up a Dell 2407 24in screen that let me see the full 1080 lines of resolution. There w

  5. Doesn't jive... by dmayle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but HDMI and HDCP enabled and ultimate media center just don't go together in the same sentence.

    Any media center PC that's designed to keep me from recording the TV shows I'm receiving does not qualify as ultimate

  6. Re:Friends dont let friends buy Sony by Reapman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I presume your boycotting Toshiba, Panasonic, Microsoft, Apple, and pretty much every other main stream electronics / hardware company as well right? I'd hate to think your just bandwagon jumping, and since you've held out since 04, I imagine that's a safe bet.