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USB To Go Wireless

Troy Samuel writes "The WiMedia Alliance is planning to make the technology known as 'ultrawideband,' or UWB, work among a wide variety of consumer electronics devices. Various organizations, including the Bluetooth SIG, have chosen the WiMedia Alliance's version of UWB technology as the foundation for a next-generation short-range networking technology." From the article: "UWB technology can deliver data rates at up to 480 megabits per second at around 3 meters, with speeds dropping off as the range grows to a limit of about 10 meters. Real-world speeds will probably be a little slower, but this is as fast as the wired version of USB 2.0 and much faster than current Wi-Fi networks are capable of transmitting data. 'This stuff is plumbing,' Roger Kay, an analyst with Endpoint Technologies Associates, said of the newer-generation wireless technology. 'It's important that it be there, it's going to be handy for getting rid of cables hanging around your desk.'"

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  1. Wireless Digital Monitor by MankyD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm curious - how much bandwidth is required to make a wireless monitor? Let's say its running at 1600x1200 with 24bit color. Anyone have any ideas?

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    1. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by b-l4ke · · Score: 4, Informative

      1600 x 1200 x 32bpp per pixel x 30 fps = 1.85 Gbps

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    2. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Name+Anonymous · · Score: 2, Informative

      Double that at least as computer displays run at 60+ fps

    3. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Informative

      how much bandwidth is required to make a wireless monitor? Let's say its running at 1600x1200 with 24bit color.

            The answer is right there. 1600 x 1200 x 24 = 46,080,000 bits per frame (46Mb) - not including any overhead for packing/unpacking all this info. Now how many frames per second did you want?

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    4. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by 56ker · · Score: 4, Informative

      24 bits = 3 bytes
      3 bytes * 1200 * 1600 = 5.76 Megabytes

      Assuming a refresh rate of 50fps that's 288 Megabyte/second or 2.25 Gigabits/second A monitor's a rather pointless one though as it requires a cable for the power.

    5. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by illegalcortex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A monitor's a rather pointless one though as it requires a cable for the power.

      Actually, no. Imagine having your CPU in the closet and only your monitor and peripherals at your desk. Or imagine having a monitor/peripherals in a totally different room of the house/office.

      Even if it's only two feet away, wireless is nice for... well, for removing wires. Systems can be such a cabling mess. I'm much rather bath in the invisible waves than have to deal with that rat's nest.

    6. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      A monitor's a rather pointless one though as it requires a cable for the power.

      So that's why my laptop keeps going dark whenever I move more than six feet away from my desk.

      KFG

    7. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine having your CPU in the closet

            That goes against the fashion nowadays, I mean, everyone is coming OUT of the closet and you want to put the computer back in...

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    8. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by jdray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The first thing I thought of when reading the blurb was "video glasses arriving soon." I'd rather have 800x600, 16 bpp per lens at 24 fps, or 368.64 Mb/s, and get reasonable immersive 3D than I would a single stream of 1600x1200 at 24 bpp.

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    9. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A monitor's a rather pointless one though as it requires a cable for the power.

      It seems to me that most of this wireless craze is pointless for the exact same reason. Just how hard is it to plug your USB key into your computer anyway? And what exactly is the point of a wireless keyboard?

    10. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by dinther · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm, in my case four WXGA LCD monitors runing at 60 hz of one PC...

      1440 x 900 x 32 x 4 x 60 = 7879680000 bps or 7.88 gbps

    11. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It still seems like a solution in search of a problem.

      I for one would like a wireless USB connection so that I could do time-lapse webcam shots from my deck.

      Why not have a webcam with 802.11? Instead of inventing a whole new technology and protocol, you'd just have to slap a 802.11 chip and transceiver onto a webcam, and make some software to allow it to be accessed over the network. Plus we already have WEP and WPA to handle security.

      Cablebox to PC for extra data storage from my PVR (assume HDTV bandwidth could be sustained).

      This is a perfect application for Wifi (or even wired ethernet for those that already have their homes wired with Cat5). The higher speed of this UWB only works if your computer is very close to your device; most people don't keep their TVs in the same room as their computer with lots of storage.

      Wireless memory card readers,

      What's so hard about plugging your memory card into a slot on your computer? Or having a wired reader plugged in all the time if you use it that much?

      iPod/MP3/PDA sync'ing.

      This sounds handy, if a bit lazy (again, how hard is it to plug in if you're already sitting there?). But isn't this what Bluetooth was invented for? Or is UWB really supposed to be the higher-speed replacement for BT?

      As other pointed out, wireless video to the monitor when MPEG-like quality is sufficient. Have a decoder built into the display.

      So you'd basically need a small computer inside your monitor to decode the signal, just so you can save the trouble of a single cord? Somehow I don't think there's that many people out there who will want to pay the premium price for this "feature" to make this a mainstream thing.

      And yes, I'm not sure about wireless keyboards for desktops, but my HTPC (home theater pc) was wireless as I don't want to sit near the 100in screen.

      Yes, wireless keyboards make sense here, but it seems the vast majority are sold to people who use them at their desk.

    12. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by IcePop456 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd rather skip the details, but 802.xx devices don't seem to "mount" the same at least in windows. I'm sure software can be written to do this, but I do not sure I want a browswer to handle a high-resolution camera. Again, software could be written.

      As you pointed out, I'm lazy. My goal with technology is to make my life easier. Why plug stuff in when the device can just sit on my desk. Both iPod and memory card readers etc.

      Wireless video connections to monitors would make wall mount TV's much easier. By stict definition I'm sure you can say it is a computer, but MPEG decoders are not high-end anymore. Your camera phone has one, albiet not great.

      These are ideas to improve devices. If you don't want them nor see the value, the wired version will be around for a long time (think Xbox 360 controllers).

  2. The problem with wireless devices... by Name+Anonymous · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Data security...
    2. wirelss interference from another computer
    3. wireless interference from other electronics and wireless devices
    I am all for wireless devices that make sense. I sitll however use a wired keyboard and mouse on my desktop computer. On my laptop I use a bluetooth mouse to avoud the hassles of dealing with plugging and unplugging the mouse from the laptop.
    1. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      4. Power

      *coughs*

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power

      And

      http://www.splashpower.com/

      There used to be a cool Wireless transfer microwave kit on ThinkGeek.com but I can't find it anymore...

      My room mate has one of those tooth brushes that charges wirelessly which it pretty cool.

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    2. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My room mate has one of those tooth brushes that charges wirelessly which it pretty cool.

      That's not wireless. The toothbrush must sit in a base that's connected to an electrical outlet. The only thing "cool" about this is that there's no exposed electrical contacts on either the base or the toothbrush. This isn't wireless power transmission technology; it's a variation of a simple transformer, it's two inductors that are situated next to each other (when the toothbrush is in the holder), so that current is transferred by mutual inductance. The plastic casings provide safety from outside elements, but electrically don't affect performance much. This is the exact same method GM used for the "paddle" chargers in its EV-1 electric cars, so that there would be no danger of electrocution to users.

  3. Re:certified wireless USB--power anyone? by bbernard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For that matter, one of the benefits of USB is that power is delivered along with the data--how often do you change the batteries on your thumb-drive, or plug in your 2.5" external hard drive? So, directly compared to USB I still need the same number of cables, unless they're delivering power wirelessly too? Hmm...

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  4. Wireless video/speakers? by truesaer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One thing I've always wanted is to get rid of the cables for my LCD displays and my speakers. That would be 4 fewer cables cluttering my desk (2 LCDs, 1 cable between left and right speakers, 1 cable to speaker out jack). I'm not sure what the real time and data throughput requirements would be. This looks like its primarily intended to replace wired USB devices but what additional complexity would there be in getting rid of some of the other wires?


    It would be nice if the only cables on my desk were power cables.

  5. Sweet, I just lost connectivity with my printer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, wait! It's back up with an annoying alert that it's connected again!

    Wait, no, it dropped again.

    I love this game.

  6. New Security Question by frosty_tsm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this mean that all I would need to do to spy on someone's pen drive is get within 10 meters and peek over UWB?

    I assume there would be some encryption and passwords, but it's yet another security question to discuss.

  7. Re:A good fit? by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    symmetric peer-to-peer interfaces like that provided by Firewire.

    Firewire actually has rather strong master/slave relationships; there's a tree, and a tree root, and a master node. But there's a negotiation process during hot-plugging which establishes the master/slave relationships.

    One big problem with Firewire is that it doesn't have a notion of device ownership. You can plug two computers together with FireWire, and that will work if both machines support IP or Ethernet over FireWire. But plug a peripheral into the same bus, and there's no mechanism to allocate it to a unique host computer. You'll get a control clash.

    Underneath, FireWire isn't really a "bus". It's actually a local area network, and its controllers work more like Ethernet controllers, with packets and buffer chains, than bus adapters.

    The "bus" aspect is that there are defined packet formats for loading and storing 32-bit data items in a 64 bit address space. In practice, though, what usually happens is that at the host end, some code formats such a packet, saying "set bit 22 of register 0x2490 at node 3", and when that packet gets to node 3, some little CPU in the peripheral decodes the packet, acknowledges receipt of the packet, a switch statement decodes the "register" address, and code notes that bit 22 means "turn camera on". No status for this event comes back; the host has to send a packet to "read" some other device register to find out what happened.

    Giving FireWire a "device register" model turned out, in the end, to be kind of silly. Something more like SCSI, with function codes and statuses, would have made more sense. (And, in fact, there's SCSI over FireWire.) You'd get back better status info, and devices which don't implement some functions would have a simple way to report that. This makes it easier to implement generic drivers, reducing the temptation to have to have a special driver for every manufacturer's device. And we all know where that leads.

    So if you're designing something like this, don't go with a device register model. Anything smart enough to talk it will have a CPU, so use it.

  8. Never seen the point by tehcrazybob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never seen the point in the recent uptake in wireless technology. I have a wireless network, but it's just so I don't have to run network cords around my apartment. I hate my wireless network - it's unreliable and slow, despite being all alone on its channel and usually running at 54 Mbps. However, despite my own issues with it, I understand the point of wireless networking. It's great for public access or situations like my apartment where running cables cleanly is difficult. I can also see the point of a bluetooth mouse for a laptop, or a bluetooth keyboard for your PDA. It makes things faster and more portable, and gives you more freedom.

    However, I draw the limit there. My keyboard, mouse, monitor, printer, external storage, and occasional other things are all wired. I don't have to keep track of batteries, and I don't get poor performance near the end of my battery life. It's all sitting on my desk not moving anyway, and there are only a few cords present on my desk - the rest are hidden behind the desk. I also like the tactile effort cords provide. When I plug my graphing calculator into my computer, when I stick a USB thumb drive in, when I connect my camera, when I plug in my headphones, or when I hook up a USB card reader, there's tactile feedback. I know I have just achieved something. I also don't find it terribly inconvenient to stick my flash drive into a front USB port.

    There's more than just reliability and feedback, though. When I unplug my flash drive or external hard drive, I know that the devices are powered down and safe from snooping eyes, and not experiencing wear and tear. I also know that when I sit down at the computer lab with my flash drive in my pocket, the guy next to me isn't stealing my files. I understand that the connection between the computer and device will probably be encrypted automatically, so that's fine. But what about the connection process? If I have to go through a lengthly process to associate the device before I can use it (bluetooth), then I'm not really any better off than I was with wired USB. If I don't have to go through that process, what's stopping the guy next to me from doing it? And in the same computer lab, with USB my mouse isn't going to suddenly decide to associate itself with the computer across the way. Now, we could password protect the flash drive. However, and perhaps I'm alone on this, I'd rather not have a password on my mouse. And what if I replace 'mouse' with 'keyboard?' You can't password protect a keyboard.

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  9. Except... by Junta · · Score: 2, Informative

    Copper pennies aren't made anymore, because, you guessed it, the amount of copper required to make a penny is worth more than 1c, so if they made copper pennies you'd be theoretically better off melting them down and selling the raw material...

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  10. probably a dumb question... by 1trickymicky · · Score: 4, Funny

    but... if i've got one of these devices in my backpack and i walk past a whole heap of computers, lets say in an office for example... is it going to try and install it automatically?

    "Windows has recognised your UWB vibrator and is installing it now......"

  11. So it'll probbably be possible with this tech by MikShapi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All you have to do is bond several channels together and there's your wireless monitor.
    Wifi has, what, 11 channels? How many does wireless USB have?

    Since the range on this is relatively tiny, you can probbably aggregate, say, 5 or 6 WUB channels into a single 2+Gbit channel to talk to your monitor. Sure, you'll be barred from putting more than 1 or 2 in close proximity, and yet... For the price of 5-6 transmitter chips at each end and a bit more core logic, a manufacturer can probbably piece this together today and it probbably won't cost too much either, at least once some competition throws in.

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  12. Challenges abound, and for what? by DrChuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So whomever first observed that the benefit of USB was that you could power the damn things too was spot on. Take the NeXT cube, sure it was wired but it was ONLY ONE wire. So this has some of the same feel. I read this as a response to the completely messed up world that is Bluetooth (and Zigbee) because nobody can create a wireless standard that you and I can program without joining some $100,000 up front consortium and with $50,000 per annum bulk patent licensing rights. The first wireless proposal that is both "open" in the sense that its well docuemented and "free" in the sense that you can claim compliance without having your arse sued off because you implemented to the SPEC, will take all other wireless standards out. --DrC

  13. Re:yay... by moro_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not really.

    The geniuses doing it over there forget the fact that the usb dongles are mostly powered by the usb bus, now if they get wireless, they will all have to have power adapters or batteries & chargers. Still a mess.

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  14. Re:FPS != Refresh rate by monsted · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the case of computer monitors with a variable input signal, it does actually show 60/85/whatever distinct pictures per second (although some may be the same if your app isn't fast enough to update the frame buffer).