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Web Geniuses Or Web Dimwits?

ScribeCity writes "The Washington Post has a provocative piece about online experiments at identifying experts. One wonders when someone will come up with a truly effective formula for measuring human intelligence — or take a stab at doing so — that exploits all the stuff people are publishing online." From the article: "This wisdom of the crowd could be outsmarted by what Michael Arrington, editor of the TechCrunch blog, recently dubbed the 'wisdom of the few.' Sites like PicksPal rely on input from the masses chiefly as a venue for auditioning prospective experts, on the theory that these virtuosos could provide even more accurate information and predictions than the crowd. 'If you figure out which ones did the best and get rid of the ones who have no idea, you'd do even better. Distill it down to the people who really know,' Arrington said."

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  1. Or... by jo42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just get a chimp to throw darts at the wall...

    1. Re:Or... by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If that chimp picked stocks that way, it would beat something like 80% of mutual fund managers (simply by virtue of not charging for his essentially random results).

      (I know, I know, "but not my mutual fund!")

    2. Re:Or... by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Wall Street Journal has (had?) a "Dartboard" feature in which they did just this, then compared the picks to choices made by analysts. Depending on the time-frame you're looking at, just random choices seem to give the analysts a run for their money, as it were.

  2. Why didn't they test Slashdot? by garcia · · Score: 5, Funny

    In order to effectively determine the rate of experts vs. everyone else, you could simply scan through all previous Slashdot posts (while removing those prefaced by IANAL) and easily determine those that are experts.

    Make sure you are browsing at -1, *those* people are the real experts ;)

  3. Never happen by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One wonders when someone will come up with a truly effective formula for measuring human intelligence

    It won't happen, not because it's not possible, but because some group or another will have a lower mean score, and the cries of racism, sexism, ageism, redbluestateism, culturalism, OSism, haircolorism, footsizeism, dicksizeism, or whateverism will drown out the truth.

    You know... the way it is right now.

  4. Simple by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make a group based moderation system, where you moderate in groups.

    Step1: Lets say Democrat/Republican. When a Rep mods something up, all other Reps see it modded up. If a Dem mods something down, no other Reps see it modded down.

    Step2: Identify posters who say stuff that gets modded up past a certain point. Lets say you get a point for the top 10 posts of each day. Then the posters with the most points are dubbed experts in their field.

    Its simple, and I'm suprised no one has done it before. It's like Digg in some ways, but vastly superior as groups don't bicker over what they declare as news, and it identifies experts.... maybe even political candidates.

    1. Re:Simple by karlto · · Score: 4, Funny
      and it identifies experts.... maybe even political candidates

      I wasn't aware that it was possible to be both of those

  5. IANAL, but by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... you sound like you could be an expert.

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  6. That's why I read at +5 and use friends by davidwr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1) Read old threads at +5, new threads at +2

    2) If a person has a lot of insightful/informative posts, check their posting history

    3) If they are consistently +3/4/5 informative/insightful, add them as a friend

    4) add points to friend's posts so they start out +2.

    OK, seriously, I don't do that but if I did, I'd see posts of "wise ones" and ignore posts from those that don't make the cut.

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  7. Different "intelligences" by blueZ3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My mother is a professor of education at a college in California and this is something that educators have been talking about for a long while. Google for "multiple intelligences" for a lot more information, but basically there's a theory that says that "intelligence" can be divided up into a number of categories and that people tend to excell in one or two of these areas, but few are outstanding in all of them.

    The standard breakdown is something like:

    • Linguistic intelligence
    • Logical-mathematical intelligence
    • Spatial intelligence
    • Bodily-Kinesthetic intelligence
    • Musical intelligence
    • Interpersonal intelligence
    • Intrapersonal intelligence
    • Naturalist intelligence

    Atheletes tend to excell at Spatial and Kinesthetic, while the stereotypical geek is strongest in Logical-mathematical and weakest in Interpersonal.

    I'm not sure I completely agree that this is the end-all-be-all for understanding intelligence, but it does provide an interesting look into ways to classify people who might not be "book smart." For instance, a terrific ballerina might not have excellent Interpersonal or Linguistic intelligence, but she certainly has some special "intelligence" that allows her to excell in an area where I would certainly be an abject failure.

    I encourage anyone interested in this idea of multiple intelligences to poke around and do some research. Again, it may not be the final answer, but it provides an interesting framework for thinking about the topic.

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    1. Re:Different "intelligences" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The biggest problem with this categorization is that it's simply politically correct nonsense. Unfortunately, some people are overly swayed by the positive connotations of the word "intelligence" to the point that they think you can have no human value if you're not "intelligent". Gifted athletically, even if you're not smart? You must be "bodily-kinesthetically intelligent". Talented musican or artist? You must be "musically intelligent" or "chromo-visio-spatially intelligent". The word "intelligence" gets smeared around so many different categories that it loses any meaning beyond more general words like "talent" or "ability".

      The problem here isn't that intelligence tests don't let musicians score well. IQ tests measure what they measure just fine. The problem is the value system of people that want so badly for everyone to be "intelligent" that they have to change the definition of the word.

      The correct response is to realize that intelligence simply isn't all that. (I know this point will be a tough sell on Slashdot, where intelligence is particularly valued.) It's perfectly ok not to be "intelligent", and play to your other strengths.

      Identifying those strengths and weaknesses is important in being able to choose activities in which you'll be successful, or at the very least in being realistic about the extra hurdles you're going to face. There's a reason I didn't become a musician or an NBA star, and it wasn't lack of "intelligence". That, I manage just fine, but I'm sadly lacking in other talents that people value. However, the self-esteem-uber-alles crowd picked the word "intelligence" to glorify, rather than say "athleticism", which is why people are trying to force-fit abilities into names like "bodily-kinesthetic intelligence" instead of pounding the round peg into the square hole and trying to console me that I have "mental athleticism" or "cerebral coordination".

      If you call his tail a leg, how many legs does a three-legged dog have?

  8. Wisdom of the crowds by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Weird. The phrase Wisdom of the crowds was coined by James Surowiecki as the title of his book (see also wikipedia). The premise was that crowds, on average, can do better than a committee of experts. It's not that there is someone always in the middle, it's actually the highs and the lows aggregated that make sense in the wisdom of the crowd.

    This sounds like the old scam. Pick 1000 people. On day 1, send 500 of them a prediction that stock A will go up and send the other half a prediction that the stock will go down.

    On day 2, the stock either went up or down. Either way, you made a correct prediction to 500 people. Split the 500 and send two more predictions on an all new stock.

    Keep repeating this. On the fifth day, you'll have 75 people who have seen you make 5 perfect predictions in a row. Now ask each of them for $10,000 to invest in your next prediction...

    Just because one person happens to have hit the mean each time doesn't mean he's got "the knack". Statistically, there's sure to be someone whose guesses approach the mean. But that doesn't mean that their next prediction is any more likely to be accurate.

    Stick with the aggregated mass knowledge.

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