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DIY Iris Scanning?

gadzook33 asks: "There have been rumors floating around about DIY iris scanning, using digital cameras for biometric security. Iris scanning presents a fantastic alternative to password-based authentication but hasn't really come to our desktops yet. I've looked around but can't find any concrete material on the subject. Is anyone doing this? Are there any efforts to develop open software for this sort of thing? Are patents holding things up? Given that passwords are an almost defunct technique for protecting data in certain situations, it would be nice to have an alternative."

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  1. Why would I want to... by YowzaTheYuzzum · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... give anyone an incentive to gouge out my eyeballs?

  2. Better than retina scanning by jamesh · · Score: 5, Funny

    which is where you use a laser to illuminate the back of the eye, and a camera to take a picture of the illuminated retina and then use some sophisticated pattern matching to recognize the unique pattern of scars left by previous scans.

  3. really? by Unknown_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Out of all the things to DIY, what would drive you towards a DIY project involving possibly lasers or bright LEDs and your eyes? Some things you shouldn't go bargain on, like never buy the cheap toiler paper. For both my eyes and my brown eye, I think it's worth spending the cash for premium.

  4. Not an alternative... by Zadaz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Iris scanning presents a fantastic alternative to password-based authentication...
    This is an all too common mistake about biometrics. Security should never rely solely on biometric identification. Unlike a password or a physical key, your biometric information can't be changed. Which is its strength, right? No one can change their fingerprint to match yours!

    However, any system can be spoofed or cracked. And if someone figures out how to feed information into a scanner that looks (to it) exactly like my iris, well then I'm fucked. That person is me anywhere they do an iris scan.

    It would be like someone stealing your passwords and you not being able to change them.

    Useful? Yes. But as an additional level of security, not an alternative.

    1. Re:Not an alternative... by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "That person is me anywhere they do an iris scan." is true. Except they get "Sorry, you don't have a clearance" as a reply, just like you do. If a building security is based on iris scan, sure they won't be able to enter after your iris pattern is revoked, but so won't you. Meaning no entry to the building, sorry sir, you must look for a job elsewhere, at least till we update our security system.

      As for 2), the basic feature of biometrics is that it's simple. You touch a surface or look into a lens, and that's all, no typing passwords, no entering codes or searching your wallet for magnetic card. Take it away and you take away half of the charm of biometrics. You only leave the scare "they will knock you out and take your eye out in a dark backstreet to break in" plus vague and unreliable info about high security, which is neither verifiable nor unhackable and definitely doesn't appeal to management.

      It's a bumpy road ahead of biometrics.

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    2. Re:Not an alternative... by Zadaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) Sure, my biometric permissions are revocable, but not re-issuable. At least no security outfit in their right mind would reinstate your biometric print once it had been broken.

      If simple biometrics become prevalent, then someone stealing my iris print (for example) would pretty much end my life. I wouldn't be able to have a bank account or any other kind of security. Either my accounts would be wide open to whoever had a copy, or no bank would issue an account to a security risk.

      At least until I could grow a new eye. It's identity theft on a very personal level.

      2) Sure, they're getting more advanced. They could hardly be more primitive. However there are two problems with making them more sophisticated:
      a) You can't make security so sophisticated it can't be broken. (duh.)
      b) The more complex a system is the more likely it is to fail. I'm not an expert in the field, but many of the things you propose would ilkley prevent me from accessing my account if I was ill or under the effect of any number of legal drugs. Which is of course unacceptable.

      A system that sophisticated will cost a ton of money. Compare that to to the cost of a card reader and 12 button keypad found on most ATMs. The amount of ATM fraud based on stealing user ID's at the terminal is much smaller than cost of installing and maintaining biometric devices and will be for the foreseeable future.

  5. Static Iris Scanning is useless, not dynamic by iendedi · · Score: 4, Informative

    While it is true that one could hold up a photo of your iris to a camera and spoof a static iris scanner, doing the same to a dynamic scanner is not practical.

    What is a dynamic iris scanner? One that looks not only for the unique patterns of the eye, but also simultaneously measures retinal response to stimuli such as dimming and brightening of the display. This is much more difficult to spoof (you would essentially need to build a model of the target's eye that could respond to external stimuli and then hold that up to the scanner).

    Combined with facial recognition, dynamic iris scanning is very potent. First it recognizes your face and then your eye and then the retinal response with stimuli that is timed to be somewhat random. Just don't try to log on after a night of pubbing.

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