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Pros and Cons of Switching From Windows To Mac

It's been a couple of years since Apple ran their Switcher ads — but folks are still making the switch. Rockgod writes to point us to his list of pros and cons after he switched from Windows to Mac recently. From the article: "It took me a long time to be convinced that Windows 3.1 was a better program launcher than X-Tree Gold, but it happened eventually. Since then, I have been a sucker for every upgrade — 95, 98, NT 4.0, 2000, XP... I bought the cheapest Mac available, a Mac Mini with a single-core Intel chip and the minimum of RAM — 512 MB. It cost me AU$949. Since plugging it in, I have barely used my $3000 Windows desktop... All this time later, I have almost exclusively switched to the Mac."

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  1. Re:$3,000[!] by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm assuming he means $3k AU since he mentions how much the mac cost in Australian dollars earlier in the blurb. 3k Aussie dollars is about 2275 USD, still a bundle but....

  2. a step above any Linux distro ? by rs232 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The GUI: It didn't take me long to get used to it. It is super smooth, even on the cheap Mac Mini .. It makes Windows XP look very late-nineties."

    "It's Unix!: You've got a very, very nice GUI but under the hood is good ole' Unix"

    "It is only when you open the Terminal and get to a shell that you see all the ancient Unix directory structures, combined with Apple's more hip and happening directory names like Applications, System, etc"

    "Notice I didn't say anything about viruses, trojans, spy-ware? I haven't been infected in three months on the Apple .. I don't run as an administrator. This simple action protects you from about 99% of malicious software. It is a simple fact."

    "unless you are a rabid freedom-fighter it is a step above any Linux distribution out there. KDE and GNOME are still a long way away from achieving the polish that Apple has delivered with Mac OS X"

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    1. Re:a step above any Linux distro ? by nine-times · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let's see, OSX's interface is...

      simple..............check
      uncluttered.......check
      low color...........most interface elements are black/white/grey, so check
      high contrast.....if not enough so, you can increase the contrast, I suppose, so check
      has a terminal...check

      So you're an OSX fan, then?

    2. Re:a step above any Linux distro ? by Helios1182 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It has more than Windows and nearly as many as X I would say. Here are some defaults: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=754 59

    3. Re:a step above any Linux distro ? by jsebrech · · Score: 2, Informative

      One man's polish is another man's useless eye candy... Some of us enjoy having a simple, uncluttered, low color, high contrast GUI. And a terminal.

      Exactly, and that's where OS X delivers. The KDE GUI is extremely cluttered, loaded with busy toolbars and lengthy menu's. Mac gui's are simpler, cleaner, and yet they're just as powerful (imho, your mileage may vary).

      And remember, underneath OS X is BSD (even if Terminal is a somewhat sucky terminal).

    4. Re:a step above any Linux distro ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Your post is cluttered with unnecessary apostrophy's.

    5. Re:a step above any Linux distro ? by vbillings · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, Gnome KDE have had quite a few if not hundreds of focus groups from a variety of different populations doing useability studies. See http://www.betterdesktop.org/ for more information.

    6. Re:a step above any Linux distro ? by prockcore · · Score: 2, Informative
      When I read the part about dragging text from the browser to the desktop in OS X and it actually created the file for you I was thinking of my mom


      I just did exactly that in Ubuntu.
    7. Re:a step above any Linux distro ? by ip_fired · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then you should have gotten apt for the Mac! Fink uses apt for it's package management, and it can either compile directly from source or download binaries of the packages that you want. But I'm confused as to what you are trying to upgrade. If you're using the pre-packaged daemons, then yeah, it's probably a pain to upgrade. But it's open source software, nothing is stopping you from disabling those and using Fink to get a different version.

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  3. Re:$3,000[!] by observer7 · · Score: 0, Informative

    a Mac Mini with a single-core Intel chip and the minimum of RAM -- 512 MB. It cost me AU$949. Since plugging it in, I have barely used my $3000 Windows desktop... All this time later, I have almost exclusively switched to the Mac." ill bet a swich to linux and you could bring that down to 400 au dollars

  4. Re:$3,000[!] by jscott · · Score: 2, Informative

    For under $2k each, we just got a bunch of HP DL360 G5s at work. Granted I work in education... But still $2,000 is too much for a goddamn desktop machine.

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  5. Mouse Acceleration Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    To solve the Apple's mouse acceleration problem, install a utility called SteerMouse or better yet, buy a third party mouse like Microsoft and Logitech and use their driver. Then your mouse acceleration will be just like Windows. Switchers are always complaining about this and rightly so, it's a pain if you aren't used to it.

  6. Re:Mac OS X vs. Ubuntu by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 3, Informative

    I installed Ubuntu this Monday. I really had to hammer at it to get the programs I wanted installed and get settings the way I wanted them. Linux still has a way to go before the average Joe will be able to pick it up and use it...

    My first problem resulted from Ubuntu's installer assuming my system clock was set to GMT and not asking me. When I corrected the clock +4 hours from the LiveCD's meddling and installed Ubuntu, it adjusted my clock +4 more! I didn't notice until I had worked with Ubuntu off my hard drive for a bit. When I set the clock back -4... I was locked out of SUDO! This restriction would have to be lifted or at least EXPLAINED to the average user who is not going to understand why he must wait 4 hours to perform any administrative actions. Not to mention the fix is not intuitive... I had to adjust my clock +4 again, run sudo -k to kill my sudo timestamp, and finally set my clock correctly. Then sudo worked again. No way the average user could have done that.

    Also the lack of up-to-date precompiled packages (Wine package is still back at 0.9.9, ScummVM 0.8.0) for my favorite programs was annoying enough for me to have to search out more recent binaries... now I really like the Linux idea of putting program files in /bin (which is also in the path env... ooh Linux has Windows beat on this!), settings in /etc, user settings in ~, etc etc. But most precompiled binaries aren't like this! They just throw everything in one directory... so if I want these "distributed" files, I need to compile from source and make install (right? well that was my solution >.>).

    Also Linux will need out-of-the-box support for Windows apps. This is critical for it's success, I believe, as if you tell a Windows user he can migrate to Linux without having to give up any of his favorite programs while gaining all the advantages of Linux... well I think that would help alot.

    Currently Wine seems OK, but it still has some problems with XP profiles (it tries to use hardcoded 9x profile paths... I can't figure out how to override them) MDI dialogs (they don't work quite right, fooling around with them crashes wine) and fonts (I can't get a font dialog to pop up, font changing doesn't work in my favorite app...).

    Furthermore, I still haven't gotten some things to work QUITE right (Cedega overwrites Wine when I make install it! And it's broken... it complains a SO can't be found. I'll probably figure this out eventually). Also when I built Firefox 2 and Thunderbird 2, they ended up with the internal names "Bon Echo" and "Mail/News Client"... bah... plus Ubuntu's Firefox 1.5 and Thunderbird 1.5 have different program names than my compiled versions, so the old ones still occasionally pop up when another program runs them...

  7. iMac G3 333 $35 at the GoodWill store !! by the_rajah · · Score: 2, Informative

    I couldn't pass it up. It's got 256 Megs of RAM OS-X 10.3. I use it, too, for checking how sites I design look on a Mac. Even given that it's old and a bit slow, the experience is not bad at all. I think a Mac Mini is in my future, too.

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  8. Re:Disappointed by xwizbt · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm not sure what you mean. If option-dragging (copies automatically on MacOS) or control-dragging (you're given a choice about what you want to do) is too difficult for you, copying a file in KDE can hardly be easier. Or am I missing something.

  9. Re:Huge Mac con: mouse acceleration sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    For better USB Mouse control try SteerMouse: http://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/

    For laptop trackpads, try SideTrack: http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/ind ex.html -- It even has a setting called "Redmond switcher acceleration."

    Many of my switcher friends have been very happy with these two applications. Heck, I've been using Macs since 1990 and I like the acceleration from these two apps better than Apple's.

  10. OSX Talks to Everyone by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Informative
    OSX gets along quite well with Linux (X11, Samba and ssh) and Windows (Remote desktop, Samba.) It also syncs to my Symbian 60 cell phone using bluetooth, can use the cellphone to connect to the Internet via bluetooth and does wireless networking on most Apple systems. It seems to be able to use those problematic Microsoft file formats and and you have your choice of DRMed and unDRMed media. It has a better selection of games than Linux does, though not as good a one as Windows does (No EVE Online client for OSX but you apparently can play WoW...) You also have tons of open source software that you can install on it.

    Overall I'd say OSX is an excellent choice for Windows users who want the advantages of UNIX without having to learn arcane lore, for Linux users who need a laptop that will just work without requiring a virgin sacrifice during a full moon and for people who need to talk to a variety of different systems in a heterogenuous network. It's a bad choice for Microsoft executives, MCSEs or anyone else who makes a living on Windows being the dominant OS in the market. If you're somewhere in the middle you should probably pick OSX for the better security. It's not perfect, but any improvement is better than nothing.

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    1. Re:OSX Talks to Everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Try Flip4Mac. http://www.flip4mac.com/

  11. Re:stay tuned, I'm waiting for my new mini by Firehed · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, when it comes to switching, it tends to mean that you liked the thing you switched to more than the thing you switched from. In this case, preferring Macs to Windows.

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  12. Re:2nd Mac con:The Theme/Fonts are Not Handicap-Re by falcon5768 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Finder > View > Font size.

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  13. Re:Disappointed by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Informative
    It is just as slow, crashy, inconvinient and annoying as the rest (With a few less annoying "update me" popups than Windows, perhaps).

    I've never known anyone to consider OS X as crash-prone as Windows.

    Expose is cool, and the smooth movements of some appearing windows (rather than a one-frame screen-update) is also nice. But these are the only 2 serious improvements I've seen. Things are still very slow to launch, programs crash, and things fail for configuration reasons.

    Programs are slow, crash-prone and things can be misconfigured? That's obviously the OS's fault!

    It doesn't have any easy and useful way of exposing available keyboard shortcuts (as in KDE's readily available shortcut settings dialogs, Emacs's show-keybindings command, etc).

    The keyboard shortcuts are listed directly next to the menu option in drop-down menus. Example

    For people with a background of both Windows and KDE, who had no troubles with either or with Gnome/etc, it is still very difficult to figure out how to make shortcuts to applications, copy files (rather than make shortcuts), etc.

    It's under the FILE menu under "Make Alias" and in the right-click contextual menu under "Make Alias". I'm not sure how this could be implemented in a more effective manner.

    All in all, the Mac is yet-another-lousy-GUI, in my opinion.

    A computer is not a GUI.

    Disclaimer: I'm a KDE fan [though I believe all of today's GUIs, including KDE are very lousy], and not too fond of closed-source applications in general.

    I think you mean to say "It's different from what I'm used to and it's closed-source, therefore I hate it."

  14. Re:2nd Mac con:The Theme/Fonts are Not Handicap-Re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This works for all Cocoa apps:
    http://www.bresink.de/osx/TinkerTool.html

    But the Finder isn't Cocoa. You can set Desktop and folder font size in the Finder's view settings, but if you want to change the font size in the menu, you'll need to wait for 10.5 or play with the following -- It can change the scaling of any application, including the Finder:
    http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060 119152725322&query=Quartz%2Bdebug%2Bmenu

  15. Re:well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    CON: Apple include a hardware DRM chip in all its new Macs. After all... Jobs is a Disney man now, and Mac fans need to be protected from the temptation to ever do or watch anything not authorised by Apple.

  16. Re:Not every switcher falls in love by Dragon+of+the+Pants · · Score: 4, Informative

    You obviously didn't give it much of a chance. You can put the dock on the left, right, or bottom of the screen, AND you can have it hidden except when you bring your cursor to the side of the screen where it is located. It's a LOT better and more efficient than the Windows taskbar in pretty much every way imaginable.

  17. Re:Not every switcher falls in love by neptronix · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. turn on auto hide for your dock. 2. shrink your dock's size. 3. don't buy 12 inch laptops. 4. yes, finder sucks. it takes some adaptation to learn to live with it. long time mac users have no complaints about it, whereas when i switched over from pc it was waa-waa time. 5. if you're having problems with crashing maybe you should have it looked at. I was using a powermac g4 for about two months. I left it on to do some bittorrent downloading for over a week and to my shock, it didn't crash or experience memory leaks. It never once crashed on me - and this is a 6 year old machine we're talking about here.

  18. Keyboard switching between windows in the same app by coyotecult · · Score: 2, Informative

    You definitely know your cons, but at least one of them actually can be solved--

    7. You can't alt-tab between windows in the same application. You can switch between programs that way, but not between windows. So if you're typing something in one window (say in Word or whatever) and you need to switch to another document, you can press one of the function keys to get expose up, take you hand off the keyboard, grab the mouse, select the window you want, then put your hand back on the keyboard. This takes far longer and requires much more thought than just pressing alt-tab. You can also select the wind you want from the "window" menu or click and hold the application's icon in the dock until the menu comes up and then select it. Both of these are slower than having a context switch that shows all windows.

    While you cannot alt-tab (er, well, Cmd-tab on the Mac) between windows in the same application, you *can* Cmd-` between application windows. No, it's not an obvious command, which really bit for me at first. I spent a month very frustrated with my first Mac because of that. But then I discovered it by accident, and it made everything much, much easier.

    I'm also not sure why you think you need to grab the mouse to select a window in Expose--if you just use the arrow keys to go around and select the given window, then press Enter or Space, it will select the window. I can understand Cmd-` being nonobvious, but this method is a lot more accessible.

  19. Re:Apple Overlooked The Shared Menu Bar by Inoshiro · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not to make you feel bad, but my experience on a 24" widescreen monitor is positive. I can easily use the simple Apple button shortcuts or support windows (like the inspector in Pages/Keynote) to get my work done. Rarely do I actually use the menu bar now that I know these shortcuts.

    Perhaps these keyboard friendly shortcuts will help you out. You can even edit them via the System Preferences dialog about your keyboard (and its shortcuts).

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  20. Re:Ex-Linux desktop user... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    However, exactly how do you do things like desktop publishing, video editing and real graphics work (a la Illustrator and Photoshop). You don't.

    Of course, you have zero choices for much of the above mentioned software.

    I call bullshit.

    Desktop Publishing - a number of different options at different skill levels:
    • LaTex
    • Lyx
    • Scribus
    • OpenOffice
    • Koffice
    • Abiword


    "Real Graphics Work"
    Vector:
    • Inkscape
    • Xara
    Raster:
    • Gimp
    • Krita


    Video editing isn't my thing, so I'm not going to attack that, but I'm sure there are at least some options. I agree that linux isn't the be all, end all or ultimate solution. However, your hyperbolic bullshit serves no one. There are real arguments to be made against linux, but you failed to make any of them. Congratulations.
  21. Re:Oh spare us... by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 2, Informative
    Sorry, all equivocation aside, it's NOT UNIX. It's an ugly hack on BSD.

    OK, I'll bite: in what sense is it not UNIX? I've been working with various flavors of UNIX since v7. OS X cetainly feels like UNIX to me. I switched to a iBook as my laptop when I moved from a Windows shop to a Linux shop where I do 'C' and Python development. I move my source back and forth between Linux and OS X daily. My understanding is that the threading model on OS X sucks, so it makes a poor server platform, buy what makes it 'NOT UNIX'?
  22. Re:It wasn't that unbalanced. by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Informative

    I keep hearing this I don't get what the problem with 512 Megs is on Mac OS. My iBook has 512 Megs and runs fine. I mostly run Firefox, terminal, text editors and OOo (in X) on it (at the same time even) and never really felt memory constrained. OTOH if I had known beforehand how much disk space OS X eats, I wouldn't have gotten a 30GB model. Of course if you're going to do heavy graphics work, or simulation, or somesuch, things might be different, but it's not really platform specific...

    This being said, and while OS X mostly runs fine despite a few annoying bugs (no showstoppers), I still find KDE way more comfortable to use. Notably because of much better network integration and the fact that windows don't have to be in front to get focus (none of this is really KDE specific though, more a Unix desktop thing).

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  23. Re:Apple Overlooked The Shared Menu Bar by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Informative

    The 'top of the screen' arrangement in MacOS is a sacred topic in Macintosh circles. It's considered more heretical to critcize it than even to propose additional mouse buttons.

  24. Re:one button mouse by Macka · · Score: 2, Informative


    Totally agree its dead easy. And if you're running Windows XP or Linux in a Parallels VM it works there too.

    Add to that the slick two-finger scrolling on the trackpad and it's incredibly easy and powerful combination. If I find I absolutely have to have a left+right click mouse experience (like when I'm playing WoW) then the wireless mighty mouse fills the gap for me perfectly.

  25. Re:stay tuned, I'm waiting for my new mini by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative
    Your IT guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Burning discs at an ultra low speed will not necessarily make the quality of the burn better, and it may even make it worse.
    Nowadays, you're mostly correct, but the conventional wisdom was always slower = better, mostly because the faster you burn, the more errors are introduced.

    Anyone who really cares should be willing to sacrifice a few discs to burn them at different speeds, then check the results with any of a variety of programs.
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  26. Re:well... by maximthemagnificent · · Score: 1, Informative

    You realize that "sexual preference" is an out-dated term that's
    considered offensive by a lot of people, right?

    "Sexual orientation" is a lot more accurate. I don't know about you,
    but I never spent any time wondering if I was more attracted to women
    or men, it was women from day one.

    Maxim

  27. Re:stay tuned, I'm waiting for my new mini by NoMaster · · Score: 3, Informative
    Example: I was trying to burn a DVD using the Mac Mini. I was using some new Memorex 16x compatible DVD+R discs that the lab had purchased. Our lab has a policy of burning the data at a low speed - 1x or 2x - since some IT guy decided it ensures the best chance of a successful write. Anyway, I try to burn the CD using Mac OS's built in software - basically by dragging and dropping files on the DVD, then clicking the "record" button once I'm done. I set the record speed to 1x.
    And there's your problem - most higher speed disks don't contain a write strategy for 1x / 2x. Some 8x I've got here - Verbatim or TDK, I forget which - don't have any write strategies below 4x. That's actual write strategies, located in the extended data area - not the strategy stored in the drive and accessed by a MID lookup.

    (In theory, 1x write strategy should be a standard across discs of all make. So say the rainbow books and, by extention, the DVD+-* standards. In practice, not so much...)

    The right answer, the one your IT guy should already know if he has a clue, is to burn at the minimum speed the disc supports. I'm not familiar with the Memorex discs in question, but most 16x discs only contain write strategies for 4x - 16x.

    "Write Strategies for high performance DVD+R/RW"

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  28. Re:Partially offtopic: Replies to half-baked comme by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1, Informative
    Do your christian friends like to push their right-wing beliefs on you?
    No. They're quite humble about it actually. Which makes them a damn sight better than the great-grandparent post who is trying desperately to push his beliefs on us.
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  29. Why not try the same with Windows? by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Each and every time this type of discussion takes place on ./ I am struck by the apparent fact that a great many people have strong views about Windows XP, but very few of them reflect any serious time being spent to learn the OS and optimise the user experience.

    Granted, it would be best if Windows 'just worked' out of the box like OSX (allegedly) does.

    Nevertheless, if you sit down with Windows and seriously dig around for a while you may be surprised to discover that XP is highly configurable and can be tweaked and optimised to the point where it really is very slick and usable, and is absolutely lightning fast. Combined with the right hardware, it is also extremely stable - since upgrading to XP not long after its release, I have had perhaps 5-10 crashes on a PC that runs most of the time. This compares very favourably with the Apples I have used, including recent model iMacs.

    Seriously, try it before you decide that OSX is 'better' for your needs. Some suggestions:

    - read up on services and turn off everything you don't need

    - turn off absolutely everything that loads at startup other than the essentials, and for god's sake learn how to use MSCONFIG and other undocumented but powerful MS tools

    - learn how to PROPERLY use (file) explorer, windows networking, device manager, and the numerous other system tools

    - be disciplined in the way you allow software to modify the system, and where you install it. You would do the same in Linux, presumably.

    - check out TweakUI and similar software which can get you around most of Microsoft's more annoying 'assistance' and add a few cool features to boot, such as visual task switching (yes, like in OSX)

    - spend what you would spend on Apple hardware on your (preferably custom-built) PC and appreciate that the increased performance and stability is a reflection of better hardware quality, not just a reflection of the OS

    - learn how to adjust the GUI to look much prettier and be much more user friendly: play with icon sizing, fonts and typeface rendering, the taskbar and quicklaunch bar and their size and position - you can even achieve a 'dashboard' type arrangement with a clean install of Windows XP if you think about it creatively

    - if you're really adventurous, look into some of the alternative shells you can use with Windows - some are virtually indistinguishable from those that come with current Linux distros and are extraordinarily customizable

    - work out what your software needs are and get your system loaded up with the best open source or freely distributed solutions, such as the Mozilla suite, Winamp or VLC, and so on

    - pick up the free software that will keep things running nice and smoothly, such as AdAware, AVG and so on

    - learn the shortcuts used in Windows - you can do a lot more than you might think with the Windows key, control, alt and tab

    I will happily agree that it would be much preferable not to have to do all this stuff just to get your system running nicely, and that non-IT types would struggle with most of the above. I am just a little tired of people rambling on about how 'bad' Windows is when they've never really applied themselves to getting it running sweetly and experienced the results. Considering that a large proportion of the people on this site would presumably spend as long as neccessary frigging around with a Linux install to get it working with their hardware and customised to their liking, the criticism of Windows is generally pretty rich.

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