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Viking Mars Mission Might Have Missed Life

Johan Louwers writes "The Viking mars mission in 1976 might have missed signs of life due to not completely working analysis equipment. GC-MS on the Viking 1976 Mars missions did not detect organic molecules on the Martian surface, even those expected from meteorite bombardment. This result suggested that the Martian regolith might hold a potent oxidant that converts all organic molecules to carbon dioxide rapidly relative to the rate at which they arrive. This conclusion is influencing the design of Mars missions. We reexamine this conclusion in light of what is known about the oxidation of organic compounds generally and the nature of organics likely to come to Mars via meteorite."

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  1. Sign of the times. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ask anyone who was around in 1976, they probably wouldn't count that year as the time of their life in which they were the most lucid and observant of their surroundings.

    1. Re:Sign of the times. by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 4, Funny

      In 1976, I spent most of my lucid time observing my surroundings, then, in 77, I learned to walk to see something else.

  2. missed? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Funny
    Viking Mars Mission Might Have Missed Life
    Damn. Well, let's get the next one ready. We'll nail the little buggers this time, for sure!
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    1. Re:missed? by uncoveror · · Score: 5, Funny

      Viking didn't miss a thing. Its more startling discoveries were covered up. Read more and more and more!

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  3. I dont understant the story by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this about non-working equipement or harsh environment capable of destroying organic molecules before they can be detected?

    1. Re:I dont understant the story by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think thie idea is: They sent Viking to Mars. It had this experiment on it to detect organic molecules. It all came back negative. They thought that meant there might be an oxidant that's actively destroying organic molecules, but these guys say that maybe the experiment was just broken.

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    2. Re:I dont understant the story by barawn · · Score: 5, Informative
      I have no idea where the poster got the idea that the experiment would be broken - the article says nothing of the sort. It simply says that the experiment wouldn't have been able to detect certain organic molecules due to the fact that it was a gas chromatograph, and certain organic compounds - specifically, some that you might expect (well, with 30 more years of experience) to be on Mars - aren't volatile - i.e., easily turned into a gas.

      The big summary of the article is this:

      For these reasons, the Viking experiments do not exclude the possibility that the soil being tested contained organic carboxylic acids, especially benzenecarboxylic acids in substantial amounts.


      It's not due to the fact that the experiment was broken. It's just the way it was designed.
  4. Why not try again? by Salvance · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems a little silly to base 2006 missions on results from a 30 year old set of space technology. Sure, we were in our heyday of space exploration during the 70's, but our analytical equipment was light years behind where we are now. The largest computes had fractions of the computing power of today's Blackberry's, and we couldn't transmit data faster than ~300 bps back then. Both of these limitations (which don't exist today), would seriously impede the ability to detect signs of life.

    Rather than try to deduce why the analyses of 1976 didn't show signs of organic compounds on the surface, why not just perform better tests now with the next Mars mission?

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    1. Re:Why not try again? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      silly to base 2006 missions on results from a 30 year old set of space technology.

            You think that's silly, wait until you find out what missions were based on 30 years ago!

            But seriously, what _else_ are we going to base it on?

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  5. Obligatory conspiracy theorist answer by BeeBeard · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's just what they want us to think.

    1. Re:Obligatory conspiracy theorist answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's just what they want us to think.

      Would "they" be the government or the martians?

  6. Cost by BeeBeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mars missions are still extremely expensive, and there's a lot of wisdom behind analyzing past mistakes to make sure they don't happen again in future missions.

  7. Oh give me a break by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The optimism of life-seekers on Mars does not suprise me any longer. Just about every person I have heard quoted believes that either there is life on Mars, or there was in the past. The only dissent I've heard was from James Lovelock, who predicted _before_ the Viking missions that no life would be found on Mars, based on its infrared signature from space. Simply put, he said that on the one planet we know life exists, it has completely transformed our environment to such a degree that would be completely impossible (from the amount of unstable gases in our atmosphere, among other things) for an alien observer to miss it. If there was life on Mars, why has it been so utterly passive and gentle to its environment compared to life on earth?

    I'm still convinced by that. I don't think life could have existed on Mars today without transforming its environment, and I don't think it could have existed in the past without leaving huge traces - and it would be very unlikely that it should die out, too. Life as we know it just doesn't behave like that.

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  8. This is sort of old by dbirnbau · · Score: 5, Informative

    Notice that this article was published in 2000. It doesn't say that the equipment was "broken"; it merely points out that there exist chemical pathways that would result in relatively stable organic compounds that wouldn't have been detected by the Viking equipment. The next mission can look for traces of these compounds specifically, now that someone has pointed out that there is a mechanism for their creation.

  9. Re:In short - no life on Mars. by pla · · Score: 4, Informative

    barring some bizarre deep-rock extremophiles.

    You mean like these, recently discovered in a South African gold mine?

    Except for the water part (which Mars may well have underground), they seem just about perfectly suited to the environment on Mars... They don't need an atmosphere, they depend on radiation, and they have a sulfur-based metabolism rather than using oxygen.

    Sounds like a good match... We should look for something like those, rather than trying to find types of organisms that, as you point out, have a very, very low chance of surviving on Mars.

  10. Alternative 3 by clickclickdrone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I still vividly remember watching the BBC 'April Fool' documentary 'Alternative 3' in the 70's which scared the hell out of me. For those that never heard of it, it was a documentry about the various scientists that were going missing at the time (for real, in the UK) and claimed they had found out the Earth was dying and the governments of the world had drawn up 3 solutions. 1 & 2 were something like reducing population growth, killing excess/useless members of the population etc. but 3 was to go to Mars, seed the atmosphere and start to collonise it. They had a thread running through of an encrypted video tape they'd been given. When they managed to get a decoder it showed a clip taken by Voyager of the now familiar rock strewn red surface but as the camera panned, the soil started to move and something was clearly alive there and burrowing about under the surface. The point being Mars wasn't as dead as we first thought.
    Oh, and the 'missing' scientists were all on Mars working on the terraforming.
    Trouble was, it was supposed to be an April fool joke but got showed about a week later causing Orson Wells/War of the Worlds chaos for a few days until the BBC issued a release saying it was all a joke. A book came out about ten years later saying it was all real and the BBC had been forced to cover it up.
    To be clear, it was a spoof - it had lots of people in it who are now well known actors but at the time were unknowns.
    Alas, apart from a few very grainy clips, it has never been reshown and is almost impossible to find.

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  11. Re:In short - no life on Mars. by jimktrains · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a molecular biologist, I've learned that whenever I say "this can't/shouldn't happen", nature makes a fool of me. Life can find a niche anywhere.

    1. Hard radiation on surface - Deinococcus radiodurans.
    2. Virtually zero atmosphere - anaerobes (in general).
    3. No (or little water) - I forget the genus.
    4. Highly oxidising compounds on surface - cyanobacteria.

    Granted, it would be complex, but the features we want of each bacteria could be merged (as I said, not an easy of quick process, but in principle possible) to give a bacteria that could fit the bill. And if we can design one to, the natuer can evolve one to (in fact, nature has evolved things that we couldn't even begin to think about builing).

    I agree with previous poster, study the past; but a new mission focused on this is nessicary. We have better devises and methods for analysing samples.

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  12. Typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Never send a Viking to do a Norseman's job.

  13. And yet you have it incorrect by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. There are bacteria that actually make use of radiation to provide the energy.
    2. No atmosphere you say; First off, there is an atmosphere there; It is mostly CO2. Anaerobe anyone?
    3. No water on Mars? You have to be kidding. It is known that there is plenty of water. But on the surface, It is in the form of ice.
    4. And again there are bacteria that withstand these compounds (few, but they exist).
    Finally, all of these issues are on the surface. Think about caves.
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  14. The Viking Mission Did Find Life on Mars by Chemicalscum · · Score: 4, Informative
    The Viking mission did find life on Mars. There were two experiments designed to detect life on Mars. The chemistry experiment using Gas Chromatography-Mass Spectrometry headed by Prof. Klaus Biemann and the biology experiment using a Labelled Release technique headed by Dr. Gilbert Levine. The GC-MS experiment reported a failure to detect organic molecules that could be associated with life. The LR biology experiment reported the detection of life. This meant that radiolabelled carbon dioxide was detected as being released from a media containing a mixture of labelled amino acids and sugars after incubation with Martian soil: http://mars.spherix.com/ .

    Klaus Biemann was a famous and respected chemist and mass-spectrometrist who had done much of the original work in developing GC-MS, While Gilbert Levine was a relative unknown who had run a start company that sold environmental testing equipment based on the LR technology Levine had invented. Bieman to it as an affront to himself the chemists and mass spectrometry as a technique that a biology experiment could detect life when his chemistry experiment could not. So he took it upon himself to launch an unremitting campaign to prove that the LR results were a false positive. The claimed to have proved this to be so but this was specious as no one had proposed a chemical model that would reproduce the Martian LR results in the laboratory.

    Meanwhile experimental tests helped show the reliability of the LR experiments. Samples of Lunar rock from the Apollo missions tested negative, while Antarctic ice cores, which had been shown to contain micro-organisms at a very low level, gave positive results. However Biemann and other chemists, together with those that just simply refused to believe life on Mars is possible, had more or less silenced the debate.

    I write this as a chemist who had just started work on GC-MS (and to me Biemann was something of a hero) at the time of the Viking landings (yes I am ancient). However I am convinced now after looking at the evidence that there is a strong case to argue that the LR experiments on the Viking landers provided strong evidence for the presence of microbial life in Martian soil.