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Veeker Makes Video Instant Messaging a Reality

Stitch_Surfs writes to tell us that the new video instant messaging tool "Veeker" went live today. Able to be embedded in any website, Veeker allows you to share mobile video with your friends. From the article: "In a nutshell, Veeker is instant video messaging. The most basic use case is to shoot 60 seconds of video from your mobile phone and upload this video to Veeker in the form of an MMS. Within about 60 seconds your video is on the Veeker portal where, depending upon whether you sent it to one of three addresses is visible only by you (me@veeker.com) visible to you and your contacts (v@veeker.com) or made available for viewing by anyone who visits Veeker and is inclined to check you out (world@veeker.com)."

70 comments

  1. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 5, Funny

    This whole thing sounds confusing. Could someone send me a video showing how its done?

    1. Re:Moo by pilgrim23 · · Score: 1

      50 bazillion phone cams and there is STILL nothing on worth watching..but now there is also: no one worth talking to too

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    2. Re:Moo by Veeker1 · · Score: 1

      Chacham, To see several (mobile) videos describing how Veeker works, see: http://veeker1.blogspot.com/ Click on the pretty blonde in the white T-Shirt. Hope this helps :-) Veek on!

  2. Video voicemail by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't the cellphone companies already have convenient ways for people to send video voicemails to each other? Not that their systems would do everything this new company is doing, but it would be a good way to judge demand... which apparently isn't very high. (Perhaps because cellphone networks don't have high enough bandwidth to make it sufficiently cheap yet).

    1. Re:Video voicemail by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't the cellphone companies already have convenient ways for people to send video voicemails to each other? Not that their systems would do everything this new company is doing, but it would be a good way to judge demand... which apparently isn't very high.

      As near as I can tell, this offering does not replicate the functionality of the cell phone companies, but relies upon it. It looks like you use your service to send a short video to this company and they post it to a Website for you and let you manage who can access that site. Only people who make an account can view the videos, so it will never go anywhere.

    2. Re:Video voicemail by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Don't the cellphone companies already have convenient ways for people to send video voicemails to each other?

      Kind of, my cell phone company only allows me to send videos to other people on the same Wirless company easily (SprintPCS) but it could be due to my crappy phone being so old.

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    3. Re:Video voicemail by Veeker1 · · Score: 1

      Hi timeOday, There is no question that these are early days for mobile video communication. There are some interesting numbers available, however, that indicate that the time to start Veeker is now: 70 million mobile phones are equipped with video cameras today; by 2009, nearly 100% of all mobile phones will be equipped with video cameras--both of these stats from IDC. Monthly, according to Telephia, 8 million people in the US shoot video with their mobile phones. A very small percentage of them ever get the video off of the phone. While MMS enables people to send videos between phones, there are issues still with carrier interoperablitity and high failure rates. At Veeker, we believe that having a network connected video camera on everyone at all times leads to some very interesting cultural changes. Video communicates an amazing amount of information quickly. Turning the video camera in your mobile phone on yourself or your subject of choice conveys a moment in time far better than audio (phones orignal tech) or text (the next evolution of phone tech). To be able to take 30 seconds of video, or 60 seconds, and send it off as easy as one sends a text message (at the same price!), and to have that video be available for viewing by your friends or family just moments later is, in our opinion, a very powerful thing. Sure, the technology is not yet perfect. Yes, the prices could be cheaper (or free!). But, as the technology improves, prices will drop. Even now, an extra few bucks/month gets you all the bandwidth you'll need to send at least a Veek or two a day. I hope you'll try Veeker out. We envision a great thing, and need great minds and hearts to help us build it out. Rodger Raderman

  3. One Problem.... by SuperStretchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... Video messaging rates are rediculous. Maybe if one could send the video via a non-phone SMS service, things might look hopeful.
    Interesting concept however.

    1. Re:One Problem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... Video messaging rates are rediculous.

      Maybe they could convert the video to asciimation.

      I would feel a lot better about using their service then.

    2. Re:One Problem.... by multimediavt · · Score: 1

      Here's a good question: What's the point? With as many free websites (GooTube, MySpace, etc.) that allow you to post video, albeit to a non-specific recipient, what use does this service have? Also, there are synchronous methods for video (iChat AV, Yahoo Voice and Video, etc.) does this really have a market? I'd say this is too little too late. It doesn't supplant any existing technologies or methods, and certainly doesn't introduce anything innovative or even new. Hell, I can send up to a 10 MB video clip via a free, public email account to a specific recipient if I want. So what's the deal here?

    3. Re:One Problem.... by TFloore · · Score: 1

      Here's a good question: What's the point?

      Have you looked at how little 3G cellphone network services are being used? I wouldn't be terribly surprised to learn that Veeker was financed by some of the cellphone service providers, in the hopes that they would come up with something that people would actually use with the MMS/3G services that are currently bleeding red ink.

      Seriously. The GP said "rates are ridiculous" and that should be a clue. When you find a service the depends on you spending crazy amounts of money... look at who you are giving that money to, and you probably found the originator of the idea.

      The point is to make money for Verizon and Cingular. You being silly enough to actually do it is another matter entirely. I hope.

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  4. Eh. Instant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Record and upload doesn't sound "Instant" to me.

    1. Re:Eh. Instant? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. Seems more like video email to me. Video IM, IMHO, means something like iChat AV or AIM AV.

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    2. Re:Eh. Instant? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      How about iChat AV, where your phone camera is your bluetoothed camera for iChat, and then your cellular GPRS network is through your phone for actual video instant messaging?

      At least it sounds less complicated!

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    3. Re:Eh. Instant? by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      I agree that Instant Messaging is definitely the wrong buzzword, but it's more like a portable video Flickr (or YouTube if they let you restrict viewing to certain users)

  5. and? by solistus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First off, the title to this story is a bit misleading. Video IM has been around for a long time. This is significant because it's mobile video IM. Second, who is actually going to use this? All it is is an automated way to host video content sent via MMS, something that is pretty trivial to do yourself anyway. How many people really want to record themselves on their cell phone and pay to send it to Veeker so they can... Call someone and tell them the URL to visit to see it? If I want to send video to someone, I can already MMS it to them directly. If I want to update the world on my status, there are ways to update various types of blogs via MMS as well. If I really, really need to be able to upload my little clips of cell phone video to an HTTP server, I'll use my own and write a script to do it for free.

    1. Re:and? by mypalmike · · Score: 1

      All it is is an automated way to host video content sent via MMS, something that is pretty trivial to do yourself anyway.

      Thus, they have almost certainly applied for a patent on the "technology".

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    2. Re:and? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      We have all those better ways of doing this, but we're not the target audience. I could see this service taking off via legions of teenage girls who aren't old enough yet to post homemade Sidekick pr0n to the web, and who need something like an idiot-proof, demographic-targeting, ad-embedding website to do the hard work for them.

    3. Re:and? by Stitch_Surfs · · Score: 1

      Has any one of the folks posting comments actually read the article, let alone bothered to sign up? Have any of you looked at the popularity of applications like Umundo or Abuzab that let users post images from their cell phones to their social network profiles in real time? It may not strike adults as all that appealing but the popularity across social networks is such that more images a day are displayed on MySpace via these tools than are uploaded to flickr.

      The application does ride on MMS. That's because MMS is the lowest common denominator for the phone. Try some fancy form of video, say streaming MPEG4 and you immediately lock out most of your audience.

      Secondly, the application is much more than simply pushing video around. One application is similar to Nokia's very popular LifeBlog however with the richer context of video allowing you to create a tapestry of events in your life. Since you can tag it, create titles for each video and organize them chronologically, by tag, or by group association there's a lot of flexibility in the platform that lets the user maintain granular control of lots of archived video.

      From simply taking a quick inventory for your homeowners policy (That is now safely stored off site) to getting advice on an outfit (or a second opinion from a physician), I can see a huge number of business uses that make Veeker compelling. My suggestion to all is to at least take a reasonable look at the application before trashing it - you might be surprised at the depth of thinking that's gone into creating it.

      Incidentally, while I am the author of the blog post that was referenced, I have no association with Veeker beyond having interviewed them for the post.


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  6. How utterly pointless by GeneralTao · · Score: 2

    I mean seriously, are we that bored?

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    1. Re:How utterly pointless by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Apparently there is a lot of surplus time available to all these "overworked" kids.

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  7. instant? by Speare · · Score: 4, Funny
    Within about 60 seconds, ...

    For extremely large values of 'instant'.

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    1. Re:instant? by misleb · · Score: 1
      For extremely large values of 'instant'.


      And a very broad definition of "messaging." Sounds more like a mobile "YouTube" to me.

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    2. Re:instant? by jb.hl.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mobile YouTube?! Jesus christ. YouTube is bad enough when people DON'T have it in public places...

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    3. Re:instant? by quakeroatz · · Score: 1

      60 second Instant Video Messaging = Slow Videoing

      New Products:
      Microsoft Slow Videoer
      Yahoo Slow Videoer

  8. Beta by Cartack · · Score: 0

    Is this the web 2.0 mandatory logo tattoo or something?

  9. Video instant messaging? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1

    Damn, I need to audio instant message my friend about this on my phone. Seriously, can there be any such thing as video instant messaging?

  10. Just imagine the harm that could be unleashed by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    I mean think of a goatse man world tour! The Eiffell Tower, Lincoln monument, Mt. Fuji, the Brandenburg gate.....

  11. Err, Latency? by captainClassLoader · · Score: 1
    The submission says:
    Within about 60 seconds your video is on the Veeker portal where...


    Wow, a video IM scheme with 60 seconds of latency! Sign me up! ;-)

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    1. Re:Err, Latency? by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Well, it do give you pretty good bragging rights over the fools on NASA doing Earth-Mars communications! (latency = ~3 minutes)

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  12. And.... by GillBates0 · · Score: 1
    For extremely large values of 'instant'.

    And for unrealistically 'imaginary' values of 'real'.

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  13. Conflict of interest by JeffHunt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This hardly seems newsworthy, and the Slashdot writeup reads like an advertisement.

    Boo.

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  14. Speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What they describe is hardly instant.

  15. MMS by marx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So eh.. isn't it faster to MMS my friend directly instead of MMSing Veeker, then waiting for them to forward it to my friend?

    1. Re:MMS by bazorg · · Score: 1

      yes, but in that case people need to pay every time the clip is forwarded, instead of visiting webpage that hosts the video clip. It's a kind of a MMS to youtube thing. The question is how to upload webcam footage into it?

  16. Rediculous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your spelling is ridiculous.

    1. Re:Rediculous? by SuperStretchy · · Score: 1

      Hah! Totally missed that. Its been one day and I rely too much on the Firefox 2.0 textbox spell checker already.

  17. Within about 60 seconds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... those email addresses are gonna get a hell of a spam pile to wipe of their desk.

  18. Sounds like... by Dak_Peoples · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ... a shameless plug. Shame.

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  19. Q: What's Next for Veeker? by webword · · Score: 1

    A: Google buys Veeker if Veeker is any good.

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    From the referenced Mobile Crunch article...

    "However when your executive team of four founders has generated a combined half a billion dollars in aggregate exit valuation in their prior gigs the bar gets raised considerably."

    Past performance doesn't guarantee future performance. Who cares about how well the founders have done. How well are they doing? Specifically, how well are they doing with Veeker?

    Ultimately, the success comes down to usability and cost. If this is really easy to use and it is low cost or free, then it might stand a chance.

    Also, just curious, but couldn't YouTube do this in, let's say, a few months? They've got Google on their side.

    1. Re:Q: What's Next for Veeker? by oohshiny · · Score: 1

      "However when your executive team of four founders has generated a combined half a billion dollars in aggregate exit valuation in their prior gigs the bar gets raised considerably."

      Which bar would that be? The state bar?

    2. Re:Q: What's Next for Veeker? by beckerist · · Score: 1

      Google + Veeker = Geeker! The ultimate tool for 12 year olds and up-skirt pedophiles. ...oh crap, isn't that called myspace?

    3. Re:Q: What's Next for Veeker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A: Google buys Veeker if Veeker is any good.

      No, they won't. They'll just add this ability to YouTube.

      This is trivial. You can already do this with Flickr for pictures as well as the Gallery2 projects supports doing this with pictures from some phones. Doing this for video is not a leap of any kind. It's a small step forward.

      Instant messaging? Not even close. This is convenient mobile phone video sharing, that's all.

    4. Re:Q: What's Next for Veeker? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Also, just curious, but couldn't YouTube do this in, let's say, a few months?

      Half a day would be more like it.

      1. Install mail server. (1 hour)
      2. Set up mail aliases for all users. (writing script 59 minutes 50 seconds, running it 10 seconds)
      3. Write procmail script to pull out video/3gpp mime attachments, and post them to the site. (2 hours)
      4. ....
      5. Profit!
  20. Sorta cool.... by AsnFkr · · Score: 1

    But what I'd like to see is a service that allows me to just send a video from my cell phone and have it automagically appear in a flash embedded web video I could link to on the internets. Anyone know anything of that manner?

  21. How much are slashdot ads going for? by stinkbomb · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Cause I wanna buy one of these phony articles.

    1. Re:How much are slashdot ads going for? by Miphnik · · Score: 1

      Slashdot has ads? Oh, wait. I'm using Firefox with AdBlock Plus installed. Let me fire up IE...

      AAAAARGH! My eyes!

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    2. Re:How much are slashdot ads going for? by daveschroeder · · Score: 1

      Wait, if you were using Firefox with AdBlock Plus, how did you see this story in the first place? ;-)

  22. Great another way by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

    for my daughter to waste money and I'll bet more dropped calls on already saturated cell towers!

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  23. Shouldn't it be by dontspamme · · Score: 1

    Video messaging, rather than Instant Video Messsaging? Sound like buzz words win again.

  24. YouTube by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    Are going to HAVE to start doing this.

    If they are going to rid their site of copyrighted material then their only option is to make it even easier to submit user created content. I'm sure cell phones are by far the main source of user generated videos in the world, so that seems like a sensible direction.

    1. Re:YouTube by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I don't think YouTube are going to be too worried about this new startup, they've been doing it for almost 6 months already.

  25. Hole in the system... by Duncan3 · · Score: 1

    So because no one has turned on the videophone feature in their cell network yet, this company popped up. As soon as they do (and they will soon), this company is totally useless as far as I can tell.

    Must be nerve wracking being 1 SIM card update away from bankruptcy.

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    1. Re:Hole in the system... by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      It is (thanks, wifey!).

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  26. This is MMS, not video instant messaging by Oz0ne · · Score: 1

    Video instant messaging/video conferencing has been around for near a decade.

  27. So let me get this straight... by hurting+now · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I have to take a video of myself, on my Razr, which unless I hack the phone, I only get 15 seconds or so. Then send it via MMS and potentially incure a $0.35 charge (depending on what service I have), then the person Im sending it to has to log on to the internet to see it?! Why not just send it to their phone anyways?!


    This service isn't all that practical.

  28. WiFi or Bluetooth could do it. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Well, if you have a Bluetooth enabled phone, and it's not crippled by a shoddy cellular carrier (*cough* Verizon *cough*), you can always shoot the video, store it, and then upload it to your computer via BT and go that way onto the net.

    I assume that the next generation of WiFi-enabled phones will be able to upload photos and video that way, working basically like network cameras do now (they either upload files to an FTP server somewhere, or they present themselves as an FTP server so another process can download the files). That's probably a little more practical than Bluetooth.

    I could definitely see a phone where video and photos were cached locally on the phone's memory when you were just wandering around outside WiFi'ed areas, but when you got into a hotspot, then the phone would batch-upload everything, say to your Flickr site or Google Album.

    I think cellphone videos are actually a neater idea than cellphone still-photos, because videos are more communicative in the same way that a telephone is, plus you don't need high resolution or very good lensing or zoom capability. It would be pretty neat to be able to take short "hey, everybody"-type videos and send them around, or video-blog, without getting reamed by the cellular company in charges.

    I have a phone now that can technically take videos (Motorola Razr TMobile/GSM), but it has some sort of bizarre software issue that keeps it from shooting more than a few seconds worth of video at a time. (My girlfriend who has a European version can take ~30s clips, so I don't think it's hardware.)

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    1. Re:WiFi or Bluetooth could do it. by SuperStretchy · · Score: 1

      My VX8300 takes unlimited video (except when it comes to nearing the edge of its 512 mb MicroSD threshold (purchased via ebay (so what, I use nested parentheses, I'm a programmer))) and transfers over super quick with my modified vx6000 data cable (had to gnaw away at a tab). From there I convert the proprietarily encoded video to something else and send it on its merry way. 30 seconds = ~500k.

  29. Don't by stock by ZombieSquirrel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    File this one with the video phone--it sounds cool, but the average person is rarely going to use it. Moving pictures are simply not needed in 1-to-1 telecommunications. Too slow, too awkward, to clunky. 1 to 1 video will never go away, but mark my words, in one hundred years we will still have voice phones.

    Remember we have had the technology for video phones for years now. Where are they?

    Except for phone sex. This would probably improve phone sex. . . Or maybe not . . . I have to think about that part.

  30. Or by wrenhunter · · Score: 1

    Slashdot makes free advertising a reality.

  31. They are desparate by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

    Sure signs of being desperate for hype and VC cash:

    - your service is like any other service, but attempts to differentiate by marketing same old same old, by giving it new names (not videos, but video instant messages..)

    - your trademark needs (lame) "origin of" explanation, and tries to inject new words in your dictionary to induce word of mouth: "VEEKS are Video Peeks"... Veeks?! Zunes... YouTube that Meebo Orkuts, to hell and back.

    - trying to be overly hip, energetic and youngster-ish (err...), by showing photos of punks and emos enjoying a nice commercial service for free. It all makes sense, don't question it.

  32. Veeker sounds like weaker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow
    great name

    "can you hear me now?!?"

    beats dimmer and less by a nose

  33. Video IM? Video Pastebin more like... by jusdisgi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Er...maybe I'm reading this wrong, but how the hell is this "video IM"? Instant messenging I think of as me and someone else simultaneously interacting....I type while he types, and we get each other's stuff in real time. This doesn't sound like that. This sounds like a pastebin; I upload my 60 secs and anybody can go look at it. Which I guess is ok....but it's certainly not as handy as actual IM functionality would be.

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    1. Re:Video IM? Video Pastebin more like... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Yeah, its basically a YouTube ripoff with an MMS gateway tacked onto the front of it. Nothing Instant or Messaging about it.

  34. email it for a nickel by fungja · · Score: 1

    i can email attached video from my phone. my wireless provider charges 5 cents/connect and as far as i can tell one email smtp connection is one connect, so i send video for a nickel. It goes up to http://glogger.eyetap.org/ which shares it. Just a project i'm hacking on for fun.

  35. only one thing to say here by 6 · · Score: 1

    www.mywaves.com

  36. compare im by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm...there's a pretty complete list of IM's over at compareim.com, but it looks like they need to add this one.