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Nintendo Profits Up 72%, Sony's Down 94%

Gamasutra is reporting on reporting, with financial information from some of the large gaming companies becoming available this week. Nintendo, who had already previously raised projections, saw their profits up 72% over last year. This dramatic increase was credited largely to the DS, with 10.9 million units sold in the first six months of this year alone. Sony, on the other hand, dropped profits by 94% over this time last year. The company attributes this largely to the battery recall and PS3 start-up costs. From the article: "The company's games division reported a ¥43.5 billion ($366.6m) loss, from a ¥8.2 million ($69,000) profit in 2005, thanks to research and development, manufacturing and marketing costs related to the launch of the PlayStation 3. Sales and operating revenue were down by 20.5 percent to ¥170.3 billion ($1.43bn). A decrease in hardware sales worldwide was attributed to a drop in price for the PlayStation 2 and PSP. Software sales also decreased overall, although individual PSP sales were up on the previous year. Combined profit from the PS2 and PSP business was described as 'relatively unchanged'."

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  1. It's only going to get worse by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nintendo is garnering a great deal of good will (though the one controller in the package is a little bit of a setback) while Sony continues to tick off its customers. With Sony's latest move against Lik-Sang, the movement to boycott Sony is stronger than ever. So even after Sony can no longer claim the PS3 launch as a major cost, their profits are liable to keep dropping. Which will only cause them to make another stupid move (perhaps incarcerate their customers?) which will draw even MORE boycotts. Their profits will drop, and the investors will start getting nervous. And then....

    Well, he're hoping for a bright future with the current lot of executives FIRED.

    1. Re:It's only going to get worse by SyncNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From YFL (your f*ing link):

      "Hong Kong based Lik-Sang, a mail order company which distributes videogame software and hardware worldwide, has lost a crucial court case brought by Nintendo over the sale of devices which could copy Game Boy software."

      That's right. OH GNOHS, Nintendo stopped Lik-Sang from selling devices MADE SOLELY TO PIRATE THEIR SOFTWARE (and run homebrew). Sony, on the other hand, has stopped Lik-Sang from selling their *FIRST PARTY* CONSOLES, SOFTWARE, and ACCESSORIES to other markets. These are not anywhere NEAR the same thing, at all.

      Next time, read your article before you spam us with it.

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    2. Re:It's only going to get worse by DrXym · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Come off it. Lik-Sang sold grey imports and was subject European rules governing such things. Sony was entirely within their rights and the law to bring suit. The specifics of the action and the judgement can be read here.

      Lik-Sang could have lived on if they so chose, selling peripherals, cables, games and suchlike. I half expect that they probably will, and this winding up is all part of some convoluted ploy to get out of paying Sony any money. Expect to see a mysterious selled called Sik-Lang appear sometime soon on Ebay.

    3. Re:It's only going to get worse by Shadarr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Nintendo is garnering a great deal of good will (though the one controller in the package is a little bit of a setback)
      Huh? When was the last time any console shipped with a second controller in the box? SNES? The PS2 and Gamecube certainly didn't.
    4. Re:It's only going to get worse by hudsonhawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I find it cute that you think the opinions of people on those sites is somehow reflective of those of the general market, you're way off base. The vast, vast majority of the market has never even heard of a rootkit and probably think that Lik-Sang is a euphemism for fellatio.

      You're using an extremely biased sample - people who are passionate enough about their consumer goods and electronics that they bother coming onto the internet to discuss them. If you made all market judgements by polling the sites you mentioned, you'd come away thinking that the next Madden will sell 3 copies, that the Wii will dominate console sales next generation by extreme margins, and that no one on the face of the planet owns a PSP.

    5. Re:It's only going to get worse by arose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shipping new products with upgraded firmware is some entirely different from forcing firmware upgrades in products already sold.

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  2. Wake up by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Where by "stronger than ever" you mean ".005% of their customer base."

    Nothing Sony has done to anyone has had any effect whatsoever on its profits. If you honestly think .005% impacts their bottom line, you need a reality check.

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    1. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you think that the people that Sony have pissed off with their rootkits, lawsuits, and causing Lik-Sang to shut down aren't the same people that they're relying on as early adopters for the expensive ps3, then you need a reality check.

    2. Re:Wake up by KDR_11k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think those are really the least significant blunders of theirs. The first and foremost problem they're facing is the price of the PS3 along with arrogant comments like "You'll want to get a second job to afford the PS3!" and "Europe loves waiting.".

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    3. Re:Wake up by Swanktastic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You guys are both right. Sony has managed to piss off the analysts with their poor performance and information sharing, mainstream customers with the PS3 pricing, and early adopters with their other shenanigans. Taken individually, "people" tend to write these things off as a screw-up. Taken together, people interpret this as a corporate culture that is in serious trouble.

      This is one of those (-1) + (-1) + (-1) = (-5) public perception situations.

    4. Re:Wake up by 7Prime · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good point. While I agree that Rootkit fiascos, Lik-Sang shut down, and even press blunders are only going to be heard by a very small percentage of their customers (even the public address blunders require that you be constantly tuned into tech news), it DOES reach the press, who starts to get an increasingly negative view of their products. When the press starts rooting against a console (or a politician, or anything), then the console's got problems, because that inherently negative attitude from the press will start to affect the popular consensus. A huge majority of tech news sites online have a very bad impression of the PS3. Hell, I was in GameStop yesterday, and one of the clerks was even voicing his feelings against the system... and when you have the very people who are supposed to be pushing your system's, voicing their opposition, you're SCREWED.

      It's all a snowball effect. Maybe I was wrong to overlook the small, geeky concerns of one tiny demographic. Sure, in the end maybe only 0.1% of the population will know what a Root Kit is, but the negativity that trickles down through tech news sites because of that could have a huge impact on the long-term popularity of the system. Now, the people that are suggesting that a Root Kit debacle itself will have any impact on the minds of the masses, need to get their heads out of their collective asses... but it might be a bit short-sided to overlook the larger problems it could cause.

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    5. Re:Wake up by LikeTheSearchEngine · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Sure, in the end maybe only 0.1% of the population will know what a Root Kit is, but the negativity that trickles down through tech news sites because of that could have a huge impact on the long-term popularity of the system.

      I agree with almost everything you said, but I think you underestimate the percentage of the population who knows about the rootkit BS and is livid about it. I'm not in the top 0.1% or even 1% of the techiest people in the country. I also freely admit that I don't really know how a computer OS works on a programming level. But I do know that the BMG rootkit can be likened to a cancer in your computer, where even its removal can be fatal if not done the right way; and I know that every one of my friends who would listen to me speak about it (albeit in general terms) knows about it too.

      Whether they choose to boycott Sony as I have (for the rootkit and other things) or not, at least they know that Sony is pulling some underhanded sh**.

  3. Financial analysis by idiots by NineNine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There obviously aren't any Slashdot members who can balance a checkbook. You're comparing apples and oranges. Sony sells a LOT more things that impact their bottom line much more than the PS2/PS3. Nintendo is a one-trick pony. Sony is well-diversified. Completely different companies.

    1. Re:Financial analysis by idiots by NineNine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Search slashdot for Sony. How many stories are good ones?

      Again. Slashdot members tend to be a group consisting of some of the most mis-informed people on the planet when it comes to business and money. Slashdot is an indicator of the well-being of Sony no more than the contents of a box of Captain Crunch cereal is an indicator of the socio-political climate in the Middle East.

  4. How else will you know if your team is winning?!!? by hudsonhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously though, at some point gaming became like sports teams and pickup trucks.

    I half expect to start seeing 360 faceplates that say "Sony Sucks" and DS stickers that show Calvin pissing on a PSP. Gamers seem to be so caught up in the rhetoric these days that it's getting harder and harder to find sites where people are actually discussing... what are those things called.... oh yeah, games.

  5. I for one welcome our new game console overlords by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    although, I have to admit, I'm glad I sold my 400 shares of Sony in March 2006 and bought 500 shares of Nintendo (NTDOY.PK) at the same time.

    People fail to remember that tech always goes thru revisions. Sometimes the player one year (IBM) loses to an upstart (MSFT) and they lose to another upstart (RHAT) who get their shorts handed to them by yet another former big player (ORCL).

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  6. Re:Watch the show folks... by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful
    But the PS3 IS a computer!

    Only if it allows thorough support for freeware produced by amateurs. The PSP doesn't, and that's one of the reasons that goodwill among enthusiasts favors the Nintendo DS. It remains to be seen whether Linux for PlayStation 3 is a half-hearted port that is quickly dropped (like Linux for PS2, which did not receive an update for the slim model) or if Sony makes an attempt to maintain it right.

  7. Re:They are having trouble... by schnell · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Or poor marketing. If it wasn't for /., I'd probably not have read much about the PS3. Less than a month before launch, I've not seen a TV ad or recall seeing other ads.

    Actually, any marketing they do at this point is going to be a waste. They already know their initial (and pre-Christmas) shipments will sell out many times over to the people who are already planning on buying one. Spending money trying to get more people to go out to the store and buy something that isn't there is a waste.

    So I agree that they haven't ratcheted up the "buzz-meter" like they could have ... but with such a massive shortage already likely, they would just be throwing away any money they spent. Expect their marketing expenditures to go up significantly next year once there are boxes on the shelves for "casual" purchasers to buy.

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  8. Re:Watch the show folks... by be-fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The deep irony here is that Nintendo isn't doing anything more than Sony to foster that goodwill (the DS requires signed code as well!), it's just that the DS's hardware is much easier to crack...

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  9. Re:They are having trouble... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's like they're trying to fail or something ...

    Sigh.

    Look, can someone just drop by their offices and tell Sony something like "It's the games, stupid!" and wake them up?

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  10. Re:They are having trouble... by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For about a decade now, Sony was king of the console market. Taking that into account, that ad makes perfect sense.

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  11. Re:They are having trouble... by strstrep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ars Technica ran an interesting piece on this, named You pull, Wii push. They pretty much stated that the Wii has a profit margin per cost significantly higher than the other two consoles, so they help retailers will advertise the Wii more prominently and give it better placement---it's more worth their effort to sell $5000 worth of Wii units than $5000 of the other two consoles. Microsoft and Sony are taking the opposite approach, driving up demand via consumers with direct advertising, but giving lower margins to retailers.

  12. Globalisation is broken... by Builder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What bugs me most about this whole mess with Lik-sang is that it shows how broken globalisation is.

    Companies have the right to ship my job to a country where they can get stuff done cheaper. But I don't have a right to buy their products from a country where they are cheaper.

    We've seen this with Levis and Tesco and with the BPI and CDWOW. Why can't I ALSO benefit from globalisation ?