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Oracle Linux Explored

M-Saunders writes "Two days ago Slashdot reported on Oracle's move into the enterprise Linux market, and how it may challenge Red Hat. Red Hat's stock has already dropped, and there's a great deal of talk about the implications of this act. Linux Format got hold of the 'Unbreakable' distro to find out what's going on under the hood. Is it a breakthrough for Linux in the corporate market, or just another RHEL respin? See the article for all the info and screenshots — including an 'interesting' choice of GRUB colours."

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  1. Its the support costs that are interesting by mgv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To quote the web article:

    Unusually, Oracle are claiming that they will support your operating system indefinitely as part of the Premier Support package which works out at $1199 and $1999.

    These lifetime models get pretty interesting - you don't know if they are financially viable until a few years have gone by.

    But I've seen a few health clubs, airlines and government pension plans so on, suffer on the weight of their liabilities such as lifetime memberships, lifetime frequent flyer points, a unfunded retirement pensions.

    That is actually a big risk over a 10 year period..

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  2. Installing Oracle on linux by Life700MB · · Score: 3, Insightful


    I would be more than satisfied if they come with an easy solution for installing Oracle flawlessly on most linux flavors!

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    1. Re:Installing Oracle on linux by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would be more than satisfied if they come with an easy solution for installing Oracle flawlessly on most linux flavors!

      This may be a more practical alternative. Anybody who's installed Oracle on Linux knows that, compared to the open source databases popular on Linux, it's a true PITA. Furthermore, in most cases where you'd want to use Oracle instead of the open source choices, it's running on a dedicated machine. So why not give customers complete support all the way down to the iron?

      I see this distro as making sense on database appliances, or servers that are for practial purposes database appliances, although those servers may be massive.

      Personally, I don't see customers going with Oracle Linux for general purpose servers that run a mainly open source applicaiton stack.

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    2. Re:Installing Oracle on linux by dsginter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is exactly what they are trying to avoid: complexity.

      By assembling their own distro, they gain the ability to offer a complete virtualized environment - which is where the data centers are trending. This allows them to move from supporting *whatever*, into supporting a single environment.

      Go look at the VMware Appliances to get an idea of what I am talking about. The devices are complex, but the consistency is identical from VM to VM, regardless of hardware or underlying operating system.

      Their support costs will plummet once they start moving their customers over to an "Oracle Appliance". Of course, this savings will be passed along to their shareholders.

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    3. Re:Installing Oracle on linux by Korgan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, the whole reason they're doing this is because they're pissed off with Redhat for buying JBoss when Oracle wanted it.

      I kid you not. Search Google for comments from Larry just after Redhat made the purchase and you'll see why.

      This is just continuing that. Oracle at the time said they were considering their own Linux distro in an attempt to compete with Redhat. To paraphrase Ellison...

      If Redhat are going to step on our toes, we'll stomp on theirs

      This isn't going to make any real difference to Redhat in the long term. Oracle would be smart to position their distro as the best possible platform for their own primary products (such as the databases, ERP software and so on.) However, the chances of that are pretty slim.

      Given Oracle just recently release a mammoth patch for their 9i and 11i products that, while containing more than 100 bug fixes, didn't manage to fix all known bugs, I seriously doubt they're in any way prepared to take on the responsibility of a full fledged Enterprise ready Operating System. This is going to kick them hard.

    4. Re:Installing Oracle on linux by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why not just use Postgres instead? That works flawlessly on most Linux flavours. You even get the source code (so you can hire a programmer to make it do exactly what you want), and you don't have to pay for it -- not even by giving back improvements made by your hired programmer for the benefit of the Community. In fact, it's probably right there on your distro CDs already.

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  3. Who pays for this stuff? by DuckDodgers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I understand Oracle is an industry juggernaut, but $160,000 for a 4-CPU license (from the Guardian article)? Is Oracle really that superior to Ingres, Sybase, Microsoft SQL Server, and especially PostgreSQL or MySQL?

    I'm not trying to troll here. I'm just thinking that for the cost of several Oracle installations and experienced Oracle DBAs you could get a much cheaper (or outright free) database and some really top notch talent.

  4. What about old Cygnus? by the+donner+party · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since Red Hat bought Cygnus a couple of years back, Linux is no longer everything they do, there's also the gcc business. As far as I know, the gcc business earns money from embedded toolsets, and contracts with microprosessor manufacturers (including big ones like Intel) to improve gcc on their kit, or to port gcc to new CPUs.

    So, can anyone in the know comment on how much of Red Hat's business is Linux, as compared to what used to be Cygnus?

  5. Re:Plan for Linux Domination by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oracle is not claiming their distro is better, they are claiming their support model is better. And, by all indications, they're right. Their support model offers more than RedHat (better support for older versions, plus indemnification, which in practice means very little but executives drool over it), and does so at a much cheaper price. RedHat's "Unfakeable" campaign is clearly a panic strategy and it won't work. They are going to have to come up with something better than that if they want to stay in the game.

    By the way, calling Unbreakable Linux a separate distro is not really accurate at this point. Trying to disparage it by calling it "just another Red Hat respin" is really missing the point. Ellison already said it's a Red Hat respin, that's the idea. The idea is to basically piggyback on the one name in Linux that has any real street cred among executives in large companies, that being Red Hat. Oracle is basically trying to take Red Hat's primary revenue stream away from them by offering better service for the same code at a better price. If they are successful, I would imagine the end game here would be for Oracle to either buy Red Hat on the cheap or, more likely, hire Red Hat's best talent away and let the company itself fade into oblivion.