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Microsoft One Step From World's Greenest Company

An anonymous reader writes "According to this article, Microsoft is only a few lines of code away from becoming the greenest company on Earth." From the article: "Redmond should issue a software upgrade to every computer running Microsoft Windows worldwide to adjust each machine's energy-saving settings for maximum efficiency." The author figures that the upgrade would affect 100 million computers and that the power cost savings could hit $7 billion per year. CO2 emissions would be cut by 45 million tons. But what about the impact on computing?

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  1. Good lord! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Install Linux! Pollute the Earth!!!!!1111

    1. Re:Good lord! by molarmass192 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know if YOU'RE trolling, but wtf does "Linux doesn't seem set up to save power" mean? Novell's SuSE Linux comes will CPU frequency scaling and suspend to RAM enabled. My laptop battery consistently lasts LONGER on flights than my co-workers who use Windows. Besides all that, Linux is just the kernel, it has facilities for throttling CPU and disks sleeping, it's up to the packager to use them.

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    2. Re:Good lord! by TheDruidBear · · Score: 5, Informative

      I dual boot my HP laptop and I get 2.5 hrs battery life from my Mandriva Linux side where I get just over 1.5 hours on my Windows side (and the MS side is set to conserve battery life). Needless to say, I tend to stay on the Linux side. Peace Bear

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    3. Re:Good lord! by xrobertcmx · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know where those system requirements came from, maybe magic fairy land. When I installed Vista on my Athlon 64 3400+ w/an X700Pro and 1gig of Ram it was slow. When I thought maybe RC1 would be faster, I installed it on my Macbook, still slow, on the same desktop with 2 gig of ram and an 7600GT still slow. When I upgraded the processor to an Athlon X2 4400 and the 2gig of Ram now ran dual channel and it was installed to Sata Drive, not as slow, but still not as fast as XP. Oh, and we tried it on an old 3ghz PIV Mobile and it would barely move. That machine had a Directx 9 graphics card too.

  2. Spare us the uninformed babble, please by Zigg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a phenomenally stupid idea. I have personally used a half-dozen machines where enabling "power-saving" is a recipe for operational disaster. Machines that power off completely. Machines that lock up. Machines that do something and never come back.

    I think the lack of foresight on TFA's part with this inane suggestion reflects pretty accurately on how seriously we should take the article as a whole.

    1. Re:Spare us the uninformed babble, please by Mayhem178 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine the laughs if a new car was brought out which required the engine to be on all the time - because if you turned it off you cannot unlock the doors.

      You just described every server on the market.

      I know that I would not want Microsoft fumbling around with the power saving settings on my Windows 2000/2003 Server (if I had one) computer just because they think they know what's best for consumers. I mean, we've already seen this mentality from them on numerous occasions, and how many times has it resulted in something useful? WGA protecting the consumer? Bull. How about how any Microsoft product update automatically resets the application in question to be the default application of that type (e.g. anything in Microsoft Office)?

      Now they want to muck with power savings settings through an update. Sorry, I'm gonna pass on that one.

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  3. It Wouldn't Affect Computing At All by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People who need better performance would change the settings. The vast majority of people don't need better performance. The vast majority would be okay (performance-wise) running a slightly souped-up C128 with GEOS and the Wave.

  4. Here's my (better) idea. by ceeam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Please disable "screen saver" feature altogether. DPMS sleep modes work much, much better for "screen saving" (and screen saver of course do not save energy at all). Flying shits and "nice" landscapes may be kinda fun for a first time but that time ended about 20 years ago. Oh, same applies to all unices and macs of course. I have colleagues who have screensavers running on there PCs/laptops for _days_ (as on weekends) and monitors never go to sleep. Sigh.

  5. Even more power savings by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've seen server rooms that run off DC and have substantial power savings.

    Google suggested a new standard for ATX power supplies that is supposed to have again, substantial power savings.

    There are solutions out there without a doubt. Big businesses would save money on their bills.

    So why is no one interested in saving money?

    Bueller? Bueller?

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    1. Re:Even more power savings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because most businesses have a hard time seeing past the initial cost differential of buying a DC server vs. an AC server, nevermind the cost of making your server room DC rather than AC.

      Not sure about the ATX power supply, but I have to say that most of the equipment in most server rooms (remember that Google uses biege boxes, rather than vendor specific servers) don't use a standard ATX powersupply anyway - the form factor is way different, even if the output voltages are the same. That would cost a fortune to change out for most companies too. And in this day and age of "where's the profit?" you will be very unlikely to convince anyone to spend money now to save it in a couple of years.

  6. In other news... by lennart78 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Car companies could drastically reduce emissions is they would would just limit all internal combustion engines at 3000rpm. Think of what this would do for emission levels.
    Or that the engine would shut itself down if you let it run stationary for 30 seconds.

    I think I just solved the entire global warming issue!
    Onwards to the meaning of life!

  7. GPO by skinfitz · · Score: 4, Informative

    What they should do is allow machine power settings to be controllable from an Active Directory policy object. Network admins would then have fine control of the power usage of their desktops.

  8. Re:Stupid blog entry by Trailwalker · · Score: 5, Funny

    This blogger should lead by example and turn his machine off.

    Permanently.

  9. How exactly? by chrismcdirty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How would this make Microsoft the greenest company? As far as I can tell, it wouldn't. It would make the companies that use MS products greener companies. It would have nothing to do with the net energy that Microsoft uses.

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  10. Re:Greenest? by tgd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While dropping the monopoly word in here is a sure fire way to get modded up, it just amazes me that a community of people who run two, three, or more different OS's, on different hardware platforms cry monopoly at every chance with Microsoft but do not when they are complaining about being stuck with a 3mbit cable modem, or unable to get bare copper lines for DSL back in the day, or even able to get FIOS TV because their town granted a monopoly to the local cable company.

    There are REAL monopolies impacting people in the US vastly more than the anti-Microsoft brigade seems to understand.

    Its a very myopic view of things.

  11. Not that easy by khendron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can you imagine the support nightmare Microsoft would unleash upon themselves if they did what the article suggests?

    Articles like this underline a huge problem in the software industry. Too many people think that software is easy, and that all any problem needs is a few software tweaks. Too many people are willing to offer up solutions without thinking the issue all the way through.

    It is attitudes like this that lead to failed billion-dollar IT projects, most of what is offered on the Daily WTF, and VB hacks promoting themselves as software engineers.

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  12. Did no one realise this one? by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Invest in energy companies.
    2. Change software to burn more energy.
    3. Profit!

  13. Home PC/Mac Power Consumption by lancejjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I figured out that my PCs were consuming more electricity than my fridge, dish washer, and clothes washer. Combined.

    I made a chart of actual electricity use of various PCs and Macs on my blog: PC and Mac power consumption.

    In a nutshell, my annual power consumption went down by 30% (!) once I started to power down my home-built "home server PC" when not in use.

    I also figured out that when buying a new PC that is going to see a lot of use, power consumption should be a factor. If you're saving $100 in purchase price, but spending $50/year for additional electricity because the cheap PC's power supply is grossly inefficient, well, have you really saved anything if you keep that machine for 3 years? The short answer. NO.

  14. Short hardware life is bad for the enviroment by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hardware is toxic and energy intensive to produce and to dispose of. MS pushes a short hardware upgrade cycle, aiming to get its customers to make new hardware purchases every two years or so. Remember not only do later versions require newer hardware, eventually out-growing old hardware, most of MS' income is from Windows sales and nearly all of that is from OEM sales. Thus, MS is economically dependent on a short life span of units with unreasonably large ecological footprints.

    Say the ecological footprint of hardware is the same over time.

    • A 3 yr cycle, instead of a 2yr, is about a 30% reduction in ecological impact
    • A 4 yr cycle, instead of a 2yr, is about a 50% reduction
    • A 5 yr cycle, instead of a 2yr, is about a 60% reduction
    • A 6 yr cycle, instead of a 2yr, is about a 70% reduction

    You get the idea. Or ...

    • A 4 yr cycle, instead of a 3yr, is about a 25% reduction in ecological impact
    • A 5 yr cycle, instead of a 3yr, is about a 40% reduction
    • A 6 yr cycle, instead of a 3yr, is about a 50% reduction

    A 3, 4 or 5 year hardware cycle is perfectly reasonable, unless the software/operating systems gets so slow and bloated that performance suffers. Or unless the vendor stops supporting the software or operating system and their is no way to get third party or home grown support. So, MS-enforced hardware upgrades are definitely not green.

    Anyway, the blog (it's not a real article) is way off base about energy consumption. Shame on /. for pushing MS' hype.

    MS' coding practices make the company un-ecological: As the blog points out, currently, most MS machines get left on 24/7 (or as close to that as possible) to allow crackers to get in -- I mean to allow the system administrators to push out patches on "patch tuesday" or whatever it's called now.

    Turning the machines off would also make them invulnerable to exploits, at least for the duration of the inactive period. Wake-on-LAN is an underutilized feature and could allow that. But it has nothing to do with any specific operating system.

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  15. Microsoft is one line of code away from greenest by jdbartlett · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft is just one line away from becoming the greenest company on earth:

    RGB(0,256,0)

    It's like green, but it's "one more" than green. It's the greenest.

    I haven't seen an app this green since I switched from AS/400.

  16. Re:Unsolicited Advice by heroofhyr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ever hear of remote wake-up or ACPI? Even a Win98 box can be nudged out of Standby mode remotely. The network doesn't have to be fully operational 24 hours a day to receive updates and maintenance, and I doubt you're doing those updates and software installations every single night. If you are, you desperately need to rework your system because it's hanging on to life by a thread. I'm not talking about putting the computers involved in real-time processes, web servers, etc in sleep mode. That wouldn't make a lot of sense. But the dozens or hundreds of workstations the typical customer service department, the mail-room, and all the other clerical and administrative roles a large corporation has are completely unused after the employees leave and none of them except the management would ever have a need for logging in remotely. Not to mention in most of the offices I've worked in that had a Windows platform, usually NT 4 or 2000, all of the updates were run as a batch script when you first logged in. It required all of 5 minutes to complete and it gave you an excuse to go pour a cup of coffee on company time. And on a more cynical note, at least if the WSs were shutdown overnight that'd be 12+ virus- and crash-free hours not to have to worry about.

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  17. spyware is just another symptom by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmm. It seems that the thriving ecosystem of spyware, viruses, worms and trojans is also the direct result of MS' coding practices. Or perhaps to be more precise because of fundamental design flaws in the product. Either way, the problem is not the user, but the vendor.

    But that does bring up a very important second point. The "re-format and re-install" mantra has the effect of reducing competition because of the difficulty in auto-installing third-party software on MS-Windows. Unlike Red Hat's kick start or Debian's APT, the third party apps have to wait until they can be installed manually. In that case, especially for large scale sites, the IT dept decides it's too much work to go for best of breed and knuckle under to convenience. Even if they do go with third party apps, time limitations (lunch, meetings, end of shift, project deadlines, etc.) may intervene and prevent completion of installation of the third party apps. With 10's or 100's of millions of PC's, just shifting the frequency a small amount means large numbers of units.

    Using a system which is not prone to spyware, viruses, worms or trojans and does well with low system requirements is also an option for many. Power users and hard core gamers may have trouble. Some, a surprisingly small number, of business apps may cause trouble. But low-tech users who just surf or e-mail or play music will do just fine and may not notice.

    So there are three choices there:

    1. toss the spyware machine and buy a new one - an ecologically bad choice
    2. re-format, re-install and genuflect to Chairman Gates' photo - a choice that damages the free market
    3. upgrade to Linux, BSD, or something that extends the effective life of the hardware - a change which some users may not notice, but which may traumatize gamers and powerusers
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  18. Hey Linux power management is great by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've just turned powersave features to ma

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