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The Web Fueling A Crisis In Politics?

An anonymous reader writes "The BBC is reporting that Tony Blair's outgoing chief strategy adviser fears the internet could be fueling a crisis in the relationship between politicians and voters. 'Mr Taylor said Mr Blair's online grilling from voters — and other initiatives such as environment secretary David Miliband's blog and Downing Street's new online petition service — showed the government was making good progress in using the Internet to become more open and accountable. But he said more needed to be done by the web community in general to encourage people to use the internet to "solve problems" rather than simply abuse politicians or make "incommensurate" demands on them.' 'But rather than work out these dilemmas in partnership with their elected leaders, they were encouraged to regard all politicians as corrupt or mendacious by the media, which he described as "a conspiracy to maintain the population in a perpetual state of self-righteous rage." Whether media was left wing or right wing, the message was always that 'leaders are out there to shaft you.'" Some credit was given to the Internet for high voter turnout in this month's elections ... how is that a bad thing?

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  1. Almost got it by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Whether media was left wing or right wing, the message was always that 'leaders are out there to shaft you'.
    Well, that's the effect.. but the motivation is not to shaft the people, but to better their on situation. Perhaps "the leaders are out there to benefit themselves with little regard for you" is more fitting.

    Is it any surprise that people in power are unhappy when they no longer control public opinion? When the people have sources of information that run counter to the corporations that control both government and the media?
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  2. All politicians are corrupt... by clambake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Whether media was left wing or right wing, the message was always that 'leaders are out there to shaft you'."

    Sounds about right to me... When a new laws are passed that mandate life in prison or the death penalty (for countries that do that) for taking political bribes, THEN I'll start looking at them more objectivly. It *should* be next to impossible for those in power to abuse that power to the detriment of the people who elect them... But the way the system works now, it's almost impossible NOT to become corrupt.

  3. Problem Solving by Renniks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But he said more needed to be done by the web community in general to encourage people to use the internet to "solve problems" rather than simply abuse politicians or make "incommensurate" demands on them.

    Incommensurate demands? Like what?
    Honesty?
    Free Speech?
    Free Internet?
    Please the only thing politicians want to do with the internet is censor it, own it, and tax it.
  4. In other words... by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful
    fears the internet could be fueling a crisis in the relationship between politicians and voters
    In other words you can't lie all day, because (at least) one blogger will spread the word and hold you accountable? Truly a crisis.
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    1. Re:In other words... by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful
      people berating, criticizing and/or demanding of government (officials) without offering any solutions or compromises.
      I don't see anything wrong with that. The voters don't have to come up with the solutions, thats why the politicians are there. Think of the voters as a review committee.

      The politicians have _vastly superior_ platforms than the average blogger to explain themselves, their ideas, their situation or in your examples the concept of public taxation to support the public ventures, with which the government is tasked to carry out.

      And as for your last point, response doesn't have to be immediate or direct in order to be a response.
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  5. "how is that bad thing?" by m93 · · Score: 4, Insightful



    Because the traditional methods of influence and control are not standing up to what the web has made available. It's an easier and more effective mechanism for criticizing your leaders, as well as organizing against them.

    Bottome line: you have slightly more control now, and the leadership does not like that a bit.

  6. Re:That has got to be the funniest thing I've read by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm to the point that I don't think a politician can get on the ballot without being corrupted. Campaigns are expensive in comparison to the salaries politicians earn- VERY expensive (like it will cost you an average of $500,000 to get a seat that will pay you back, if you're lucky, $60,000 in salary over two years before you have to campaign again). That just invites corruption from the start- before a politician is ever elected he's already been bought by one or more special interests.

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  7. That's right - blame the voters by mikerich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Matthew, (can I call you Matthew?)

    Your government is elected by a minority of the electorate using a system that gives it an overwhelming majority in the House of Commons. Your Members of Parliament say their first loyalty is to the Party and the manifesto, not to the electorate. You ensure almost all votes are whipped through Parliament with fearful penalties if an MP disobeys the Party line. You have changed your Party conferences so that votes by the members have no bearing on policy making which is performed behind closed doors. You refuse freedom of information requests that would allow the electorate to see that policies are enacted according to regulations. You take money from multimillionaires and do not declare it to the authorities; coincidentally, all of these donors then become members of the House of Lords where they become law makers. You pass legislation that require people to get police permission to protest outside of Parliament. You rip up ancient laws that regulate the power of the State over the citizen and propose to take more for yourselves. You politicise the intelligence service, getting your spin doctors to sell a war planned in collusion with a foreign power.

    You shouldn't be so much wondering why voters feel alienated, as be amazed that we haven't dragged you out of Downing Street and strung you up outside of Parliament.

  8. Civility and substance by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Abusive politics is, I am afraid, the wave of the future. The folks in the UK just aren't accustomed to it yet.

    I remember reading one UK analysis of the midterm US elections in which the commentator remarked on the difference in the level of civility in the US election. He said something to the effect that, "If elections in Britain are a walk in the park, in the US a candidate must carry the One Ring to the Land of Mordor".

    It has been long said that freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns one. With the blogosphere, any knuckle scraping blockhead can set himself up as a news source. This pretty much means that whispering campaigns have become shouting campaigns.

    There is good and bad in this, but trying to contain the bad is worse than returning to the status quo. And wishing the situation would be other than it is is pointless.

    Instead, we should try to make the most of the developments in communication, by giving people something worthwhile to talk about. Let's really make our government transparent.

    I'll give you an example of non-transparency. Recently, the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction was secretly abolished. The way this was done was that the provisions extending the office were secretly stripped from the authorization bill at the last minute. Thus the Senators who voted for the bill had no idea that it was changed.

    When word of this got out, the senate reversed itself on a voice vote. But it raises questions: how many other things are put in and taken out this way? Do we really want anonymous committee staff have ths power?

    Why not make a legislation tracking system where every addtion or deletion from a bill is digitally signed by the person doing it. A Senator voting for a bill could call up a list of differences between the bill he is voting on and the bill as it was last week. Then make the entire history of every bill available on the Internet.

    The principle I am working from here is this: it is a good thing that people want to talk about politics. What is bad is that they are not talking about substantive things. So: given them something real to talk about. Let them scream and holler, but at least give them the information they need to do so usefullly.

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