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MPAA Sues Company For Selling Pre-Loaded iPods

ColinPL writes, "The MPAA has launched yet another 'defensive attack,' this time on a small business that is pre-loading movie DVDs onto iPods and reselling them. The original DVDs of the movies that are loaded are also given to the customer. The MPAA is claiming that the service Load 'N Go Video offers is completely illegal because ripping a DVD is against the DMCA. The MPAA is also suing the company for copyright violation."

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  1. Illegal maybe, but copyright violation? by Kelson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The MP3.com case (remember that one) seemed to hinge on the fact that even though the service was trying to verify that consumers already owned the CDs, they were doing the actual ripping from a copy that the service had purchased.

    Now we've heard that space-shifting falls under fair use, as long as you don't distribute the copy. This is the principle under which it's legal to rip tracks from your own CDs and load them on your iPod.

    Now, we've got someone who is oofering (1) a legit copy of the music and (2) a service that will take your DVD and transfer it to your iPod. All copies made under fair use are transferred at the same time.

    Now it may be that circumventing copy protection is illegal under DMCA... but does that make it an infringement of copyright?

    1. Re:Illegal maybe, but copyright violation? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A decrypted copy is made isn't it?

      Imagine this scenario instead:

      Company purchases a DVD
      Company decrypts the DVD and burns to another DVD
      Company sells the decrypted DVD with the original DVD

      How is that different or more legal than this:
      Company purchases a DVD
      Company decrypts the DVD and encodes to MP4 onto an iPod
      Company sells the iPod with the original DVD

    2. Re:Illegal maybe, but copyright violation? by mo · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Now it may be that circumventing copy protection is illegal under DMCA... but does that make it an infringement of copyright?


      IANAL, but I did work at mp3.com. AFAIK, any copying of copywrited work in a commercial setting violates copywright. This would include: Kinko's using their copiers to dupe textbooks for their owners. mp3.com ripping CDs for people who already owned them. Also, I'm fairly certain it includes google's practice of scanning textbooks.

      It's quite likely that the company mentioned in TFA is going to either lose or settle, but I'm interested in how this will pan out for google's lawsuit from the Author's Guild.
  2. Seems within the law, for better or worse... by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Much as this sounds like a convenient service, I think the MPAA is completely legally right here: making copies is an exclusive right under copyright, so this is a regular copyright violation; copies for noncommercial format shifting purposes by the end-user might be "fair use"—IIRC, format-shifting hasn't been conclusively litigated—but that's not what is happening here. And DVD copy protection is pretty clearly covered under the DMCA, and bypassing it is a DMCA violation.

    Should the law be changed to allow this? Perhaps, certainly I wouldn't object to deep sixing the DMCA, or to writing some kind of reasonable express format-shifting protection into the law, though its difficult to craft without undermining copyright entirely (unless you require destruction of the original before transfer.)

  3. Re:'Nothing to see here' by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Putting aside for a moment that "format shifting" hasn't really been tested yet in court, the end-user is not the one doing the copying here. It's hard to argue "fair use" when someone is making money by making a copy... that's the whole point of copyright.

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  4. delicate by mugnyte · · Score: 4, Interesting


      This case may end up depending on: (answer what you want)

      (1) Does the market allow for the selling of an iPod and a separate DVD disc?
      (2) Does the market allow for someone to buy a movie onto their iPod?
      (3) What is the difference between a movie on a DVD and a movie on an iPod? Are a distributor's rights changed?
      (4) Can a business do for users what they can do for themselves? For example, rip a DVD copy onto a viewing device?
      (5) Can a user pay someone, in any way, to copy their DVD onto any other device they own?

      I bet there are some non-intuitive answers that the RIAA would put up there.

  5. How does this happen? Easy follow the money... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Orrin Hatch got this piece of crap introduced and passed and has also taken almost $400K From the entertainment lobby.

    America, best government money can buy®

  6. Copyrights and wrongs by Alan426 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, if I make a backup copy of my customer's disk before working on his computer -- a service provided for a fee -- have I violated copyright law? What if I use Norton Ghost to make the copy, because some files are encrypted? Have I then violated DCMA as well?

    IANAL, but this makes my head hurt!

  7. Better Targets? by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This reminds me of mp3.com

    As an "honest" consumer -- I thought it was the best win/win situation ever.
    I whip out my credit card and pay $15 for a CD, and I get to download and
    listen to the songs I just bought right away until the CD itself showed up
    in the mail in a week or so. Everyone gets paid the full amount and everyone
    is happy.

    Yet -- they chose to take mp3.com down to the ground because of it.

    In this case they are marketing the ipod to people who are also paying the full
    price for the physical media......

    This is said....I don't shed tear 1 when they "take down" the criminals that stealing movies
    or music where the content makers don't profit....But to take down the people who are selling
    your product at full price seems pretty stupid to me. The people that suffer the most
    are the honest consumers.

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  8. Re:'Nothing to see here' by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    No, copyright is about making money distributing copies.


    Its about both, and even doing either without making money, which is why all of those are exclusive rights protected under copyright.

    The one doing the copying is not making a copy of their own DVD, they are making a copy of the customer's DVD for the customer.


    Right. They are selling the service of making the copy along with the goods (the source and target media.) It therefore is not noncommercial copying by the end-user for personal use, and insofar as there may be exceptions for noncommercial format-shifting for personal use (a disputed point!) that would cover DVD ripping, this is not covered by them.

    Making a backup copy of a copyrighted work is completely legal and is explicitly spelled out in copyright law.


    Really, where? At least in the US, this is a popular myth, not a fact: "a library or archives" has a right to make backup copies with certain limits (see 17 USC 108), and the making of an archival copy of a computer program is expressly allowed (17 USC 117), but this is not generally the case for copyrighted works.

    If you don't own or don't know how to run a CD burner, is paying someone to make the backup copy for you illegal?


    Since the exception for archival copies states "... it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided...", probably not, where it is legal to make a backup in the first place.

    Not that the copy being made here is for archival purposes, nor would a court probably find that it is of a computer program, though that's less clear. (A DVD contains principally, of course, one or more audiovisual works, it also includes some instructions that might make it a computer program. I don't know if whether the 17 USC 117 exception applies to DVDs has been litigated.)

    There's a reason the MPAA is invoking the DMCA, and that's because the DMCA is what makes breaking encryption illegal even if the actions performed thereafter are legal under copyright law.


    No, because the MPAA is charging infringement as well as DMCA violation and seeking remedies for both; the DMCA expressly does not change the scope of any of the provisions or exceptions to infringement, so adding the DMCA claim does nothing to help their other claims.

  9. Re:'Nothing to see here' by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The company doing the copying owns the DVD while they're doing the copy. It's their fair use right to put it on the iPod. Then they resell the DVD (also their fair use right) and include the copy they made, as they have to do.