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NY Times Review of PS3

An anonymous reader noted that the NY Times has done a fairly negative review of the PS3. It would seem that there have been a fair number of these; it's pretty evident at this point that Sony's launch of the PS3 was not exactly well planned out; issues are still rolling in but the real test will be how it does over the holidays and into the next year.

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  1. Just a souped up PS2 by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I managed to play the PS3 in a few stores yesterday. Despite all the hype, the expense, and the motion sensing controller, it really felt like nothing more than a souped up PS2. The games I played didn't really feel different than the last-gen stuff, and the motion controller was used more as a gimmick (e.g. NBA Live '07) rather than an integral part of the experience. (Though in its defense, Sony kind of screwed their partners by introducing it so late.)

    Basically, if all you want is a PS2 with HDTV graphics and sound, you'll love the PS3. (Assuming you get past the sticker shock.) If you were truly hoping for a new and unique experience, you may have your hopes set a bit too high.

    Hopefully, the situation will change as Sony and their partners have more time to work with the hardware, but they're currently lagging out of the gate.

  2. Features by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Informative

    In SOny's defense (and you have no idea how much that hurts to say) some of the xbox 360 features they discuss were added after the initial release, so Sony could do the same. The background downloading was adde after and the music you were listening would stop playing when a game was started (but could be started again) was fixed very recently.

  3. Re:Wii! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    They're also using Nintendo's new gaming system.

  4. Re:A review review: this review sucks by iainl · · Score: 4, Informative

    The HDMI cable complaint is completely relevant. Sony have just spent the last year or more trying to persuade people that "only 1080p is True HD", "The next generation starts when we say it starts" and so on, hyping the fact that the PS3 is all about HD.

    Then when you buy one you find that

    a) it only comes with the same rubbish composite cable that the PS2 came with

    b) Motorstorm and Devil May Cry 4 only run at 720p, in order to keep the framerate up

    c) there is no internal scaler, so those of us with 720p TVs that can't take a 1080p signal can't even play the sole launch gem Resistance: Fall Of Man at 720p, and have to resort to standard def.

    Added together, that's a pretty damning failure in their HD strategy.

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  5. Positive Experiences Here by Frobozz0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I got a PS3 60Gb at the official NYC launch event at the Sony Style store. Everyone was guaranteed a unit, and we all got one. Things were cival, orderly, and even friendly. I made a couple new friends in line and walked out with my unit at about 2:45 AM!

    My impressions of the unit:

    Resistance looks great and plays great. If you don't like 1st person shooters, don't bother, but if you do you will not be disappointed. I found that most of the game demos on the floor didn't show the best aspects of all the games available. Sad, but true-- the actual game was much better than the demo.

    The downloadable games are a lot of fun and very reasonably priced at under $10 a pop. The launch titles were much stronger than the PS2 launch titles and certainly on par with the Wii and 360. As with any console, the best games will be 6 to 9 months out-- but this is just the typical next-gen timetable. If you have an HD tv, this is the console to get.

    Blu-ray movies look as good as they should. Kudos for that. I consider that a token only because I think it would be hard to screw that up. However, as with DVD, the best experiences are to come. Talladega Nights looked good and sounded great, but I really want the Matrix in Blu-ray to confirm it's superiority to HD-DVD. :-)

    So the PS3 lived up to all the hype. Here are some interesting improvements I'm certain we'll see over time. And, thankfully, we can expect regular updates of functionality just like the 360. Honestly I could go on and on about how much I liked the experience and enjoy the games. I also know full well that there is improvement to be made over time, and it WILL be done. Here are some ideas:

    1) When buying a game demo, purchasing the full game should be an unlock code and not another download. They are large.

    2) You should be able to download content in the background from the store.

    3) Motorstorm is an amazing game and it's a shame it wasn't available on launch day. I can't wait to get my hands on that one.

    4) More Bluetooth compatibility for keyboards and mice.

    5) Drop the price to $399 - $499 and it's a no brainer. $599 was pricy but for me, eh, I'll live with it.

    People love to bash the PS3 and praise the Wii online-- it's progressed to an art form now. But, I just don't see it. I know the Wii is nice and all, but if you are looking for an HD experience look no further than PS3. The games really are great, the downloadable content is competent and very fun, and the UI is pretty slick.

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    1. Re:Positive Experiences Here by AnyNoMouse · · Score: 4, Informative
      Let's try this again, but with FORMATTING! WOOT!

      Blu-ray movies look as good as they should. Kudos for that. I consider that a token only because I think it would be hard to screw that up. However, as with DVD, the best experiences are to come. Talladega Nights looked good and sounded great, but I really want the Matrix in Blu-ray to confirm it's superiority to HD-DVD. :-)
      Then in all likelyhood, you'll be dissapointed. Bluray is fine and all, but that is not a title where you'll see any difference between HD-DVD and Bluray.

      Warner uses Microsoft's VC-1 encoder for all of it's titles. For Bluray releases, they use a tool, written by Microsoft, to convert the encodes to a format the Bluray authoring tools like.

      The PS3, from the reports I've read, doesn't currently support BD-J, so the HD-DVD version will likely have better extras than the Bluray version and have the exact same picture and sound. There aren't any Bluray players that support BD-J (the Java interpreter for Bluray that allows for advanced interactivity features) currently out or announced, BTW. Expect them sometime mid-to-late 2007.

      Like it or not, the extra bandwidth and space avaialble on Bluray isn't turning into better picture quality or sound for Bluray releases at the moment, and may not in the future. Microsoft's codec team has done a spectacular job with their VC-1 tools and they're still making big strides in bringing down the size of HD video. One could argue that they're the primary reason HD-DVD is doing so well today. The only real world advantages that Bluray currently has is studio support (which interestingly enough is not resulting in more titles) and device manufacturer support (ditto).

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  6. Re:Fanboy-talk by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, Cell is a beat-down PPC with some glorified coprocessors. The PPE in Cell is a stripped down PowerPC, because the idea is that the SPEs will do the things that they ripped out.

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  7. Re:The full text by jZnat · · Score: 2, Informative

    You don't need an account at the NY Times anymore for some reason, so this post is redundant.

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  8. Re:A review review: this review sucks by amuro98 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The OP is close, but the actual problem is that if your TV does 1080i, but not 720p (which is many older HDTVs) then you will end up playing that game, and any other 720p game, in 480p. The PS3 cannot currentally upscale a 720p signal to 1080i.

    'Resistance Fall Of Man' is only in 720p, not 1080p.

    The 360 apparentally can upscale 720p to 1080i, so this shouldn't be a problem for the 360.

    IGN has more details:
    http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html

  9. Re:Fanboy-talk by amuro98 · · Score: 3, Informative

    New processor - who cares? What's that going to do for the games?

    New storage media - who cares? What's that going to do for the games?

    So far, these elements haven't done anything for the games or other features.

    I don't buy consoles because of what hardware or storage medium they use. I don't buy them because they're "innovative". I buy consoles for one purpose, and one purpose only: GAMES.

    If you come out with a console powered by pigeons and it can some nifty set of games - I'll be there.

    So far, the 360 can do just about everything the PS3 can do - for less. In some cases, the 360 even does things BETTER than the PS3. Let's look at Tony Hawk 8. The PS3 version has no online play - which is a huge feature on the 360 version.

    Blu-Ray has done nothing positive for the PS3 so far. It's a slower drive than the 360's DVD drive (this is "innovation"?) It's also very expensive and difficult to manufacture, which is one reason the PS3 is more expensive than the 360, and is experiencing severe inventory problems. How is this "innovation"?

    Furthermore, many of Sony's justifications for the added price just haven't come through. The games aren't all in 1080p - worse still - there are times when you won't even get HD resolutions on your HDTV! Many games aren't even getting good reviews. Online play - which is becoming increasingly popular - is moreorless the same mish-mash it was on the PS2, where each game required you to maintain a separate account. Live itself may not be "innovative" but it does several things to make the online experience a lot more enjoyable and seamless.

    You don't always have to be "innovative" to make a good product. Simply making something easy to use and reliable is sometimes the only "innovation" customers need.

    Right now, the advantage is Microsoft's. Sony can still make a comeback, but it's going to have to work quickly to address the problems and criticisms brought up by users and reviewers alike.

  10. Re:Fanboy-talk by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Informative

    The 360 is the first console where you can replace a game soundtrack with your own music. It's the first console that comes with wireless controllers - controllers which can power on and off the system, no less. It's the first console that plays music over the network or off of a USB key or iPod - out of the box. It's the first console where you can download demos, trailers, TV, movies, and quite a bit more - right out of the box, without having to pay.

    Microsoft got the 360s software very, very right. Sony's going to need more than Blu-Ray and Cell to combat that.

  11. Re:Some new things are more than souped-up old thi by rjung2k · · Score: 2, Informative

    "There are also some negative reviews about the wii controller that it is a nice device, but only for a short while, it's just a gimmick..."

    Thee are 1 million (give or take 100,000) new Wii owners with firsthand experience who will disagree with that.

    (I don't own a Wii, but I have played with it for several hours, and I'll testify that it's no gimmick)

  12. Re:Wiimote motion is more than Sixaxis Tilt... by trdrstv · · Score: 2, Informative
    I believe you'd agree that Sony's engineers are competent enough to understand the capability of the wiimote right?

    Actually no. Sony said Rumble was removed as it 'obviously would interfere with the motion sensor', despite Nintendo doing it with the Wiimote, and 3 years ago with Warioware twisted.