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Robot Spaceplane To Launch In 2008

FleaPlus writes "The US Air Force has announced that it is developing an unmanned reusable spaceplane, the X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle. The first launch is in 2008 on an Atlas V rocket. The X-37B will be one-fourth the size of the Space Shuttle and serve as a testbed for technologies for future reusable spacecraft. Its predecessor, the X-37, was drop-tested from the Scaled Composites White Knight mothership earlier this year."

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  1. What about Buran? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2, Informative

    "If successful, the plane would be the first spacecraft since the shuttle that would be capable of returning experiments back to Earth for analysis." Buran could do this - they just couldn't afford to fly the thing. Not that I'm suggesting we use Buran, btw... it's been sitting outside for a while.

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    1. Re:What about Buran? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Buran could do this - they just couldn't afford to fly the thing.

      They couldn't afford to finish it. One model flew, once, unmanned because the crew compartment wasn't finished yet. It, and the other 2 Buran bodies fell into disuse, neglect, and outright destruction.

  2. Don't for get MOOS and Roton by maddogsparky · · Score: 3, Informative

    X37 was a lifting body.

    Two other methods for reentry.

    Man Out Of Space (MOOS) (50's or 60's?) was a proposal for an emergency escape system from a spacecraft that invoved the use of a heat shield in a can. A foam filled bag that froze into a giant blob was deployed from the back of an astronaut that acted as a balute and heat shield. The astronaut actually used a hand held rocket gun to de-orbit. I've heard of ballutes with relation to other projects, but can't think of the source at the moment.

    The Roton launch vehicle (1990's) looked something like DC-X (tail-first SSTO and landing) intended to use rotors to slow it down as it descended tail first from orbit, much like a helecopter during an unpowered landing. A prototype was flown that demonstrated a landing using rocket-powered rotors. Tom Clancy was involved in funding it, but he had to back out when his finances got scrambled by a divorce, eventually leading to the company's demise.

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  3. Re:A USAF research only craft? Sure ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you are referring to $1000 toilet seats, I have news for you, that is not why the seats cost $1000.

  4. Re:A USAF research only craft? Sure ... by SpleenVenter · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do you understand anything about orbital mechanics? Orbiting spacecraft cannot "loiter" except in a very few, very special kinds of orbits. The cannot meaningfully "reposition" with the specific impulse limitations of the engines and fuel available today. Oh, the heck with it: for all intents and purposes they cannot meaningfully do ANY of the things your message suggests.

  5. Re:Air Force Bake Sale by youguessedit · · Score: 3, Informative

    12% of Americans are starving? That's absolutely ridiculous. That would be 36 million people.

    v. starved, starving, starves
    v.intr.
    1. To suffer or die from extreme or prolonged lack of food.

    You can't be serious.

  6. Re:What's the point? by flnca · · Score: 2, Informative

    As long as space technology is as expensive as it is, that might be, to some extent. As long as we still need rocket power to get into space, it'll always be an expensive endeavor.

    However, we'll always need space research for satellites, etc., at least in the foreseeable future.

  7. Re:Buran -- what's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Delta Clipper (which the DC-X was a prototype of) was supposed to enter nose first, and turn in midair for a base-first landing.

  8. Re:Buran -- what's in a name? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative
    But the Faget Shuttle would have to do some kind of Alley Oop maneuver at subsonic speed to transition from a full stall pancake attitude to proper flight on those straight wings, and there was some concern about doing that stall recovery safely.

    It wasn't just flight characteristics that caused the rejection of the Faget type Shuttle, tere were also serious concerns about reentry areodynamics. The sharp junction of wing and body in particular lead to shock waves impinging on the vehicle body, which means the the area where the shockwave impinges is subjected to full reentry heating instead of being protected by the shockwave the way the Shuttle is, as are capsule type vehicles. (The ablatives or tiles merely protect against the heat radiated from this shockwave.) Additionally, there were concerns about weight problems with the 'hot structure' type of heatshield, as well as engineering problems with accommodating thermal expansion.
     
    It's a common belief that the Faget Shuttle was rejected because of the USAF's requirements - but that belief is wrong. NASA was already moving away from the big 'balloon' (internal tankage) orbiters and towards smaller, denser orbiters protected by tiles (which were easier and cheaper to engineer) and having an external tank. (The SRB's came about fairly late in the process, and likely would have been inevitable even without USAF participation.)
     
     
    NASA wants to go back to the Apollo style reentry and landing but probably on land using parachutes and landing rockets like Soyuz and the Chinese spacecraft. You save big time on weight and there are safety advantages in terms of heat tile damage, but this low-control landing has problems of its own.

    A capsule designed to use ballistic lift (which Apollo was and Soyuz is not entirely) does not have 'low control' - Apollo routinely came down within 3 kilometers of its splashdown target. (And they didn't even try particularly hard.) With modern guidance systems there is no particular reason to expect misses (on average) to exceed 1 kilometer, _without_ parasails or other complications.