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Silicon Superconductors

Diana writes "Physicists at CNRS have demonstrated superconductivity in silicon, the element long known for its semiconducting properties. High doping is the key — by substituting 9% of the silicon atoms with boron atoms, it was found that the resistance of the material drops sharply when cooled below 0.35 K. A small increase in the transition temperature is likely with further work."

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  1. OK, science is cool and everything by multiplexo · · Score: 4, Funny

    But you can make pretty much anything superconductive if you get it down below .5 Kelvin. I mean really, go much lower and you can make Twinkies superconductive much less boron doped silicon.

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    1. Re:OK, science is cool and everything by RuBLed · · Score: 5, Informative

      You forgot to put the link... http://www.twinkiesproject.com/

  2. So..... by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Superconductivity in non-superconductive materials, except where they've been doped to be superconductive.

    Makes me want to get back to the pub.

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    1. Re:So..... by gt_mattex · · Score: 2, Funny

      Superconductivity in non-superconductive materials, except where they've been doped to be superconductive.

      Makes me want to get back to the pub.

      After your good and 'doped' up do we throw you in the freezer and run a current through you?

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    2. Re:So..... by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

      replacing nearly 10% of it with another element must mean that it falls into another classification.

            An alloy, if you will?

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    3. Re:So..... by SilentBob0727 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The doping is a small enough percentage that it still retains the crystal structure of silicon, so on a macroscopic level, it still looks and behaves like silicon. The crystal structure forces the boron to act like silicon, which is key because boron has two fewer valence electrons than silicon, resulting in stable "electron holes" in the conduction band that raise the overall mobility of electrons, and therefore raise the conductivity of the material.

      So no, it's not pure elemental silicon, but it's still silicon. It's like saying that even if my tap water contains 10% impurities, it's still water.

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  3. How useful is this? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting
    0.35 K? as in... barely above absolute zero?

    Etienne says that they will probably be able to increase the transition temperature a bit further, although the material will be unlikely to have any applications in consumer devices.
    What non-consumer applications will it have? Getting something down to .35K isn't exactly trivial...

    IIRC, anything that doesn't superconduct at the temp of liquid nitrogen is a pain in the ass to use.
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    1. Re:How useful is this? by swordgeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      First of all, it's called RESEARCH! It's a very new and different bit of science--who knows where it could lead us?

      Secondly, just because things are a pain in the ass doesn't mean they don't have useful applications. NMR/MRI have been dependent on low-temp superconductors (i.e. liquid He or even colder) for decades, and they're immensely important for research and medicine.

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    2. Re:How useful is this? by Fred_A · · Score: 3, Funny
      What non-consumer applications will it have? Getting something down to .35K isn't exactly trivial...
      Agreed, I know I definitely am going to need bigger fans to get to that level of cooling in my machine. Much bigger fans.
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  4. superconducting semiconductor? by HAL9000_mirror · · Score: 2, Insightful

    whatever that means!

    1. Re:superconducting semiconductor? by NanoProf · · Score: 3, Informative

      It means quite a bit. Strontium titanate was the first superconducting semiconductor, predicted to be so by Marvin Cohen (my theses advisor :-) and later confirmed by experiment. The general idea is that a semiconductor with multiple valleys in the conduction band into which to place dopant electrons can rapidly develop low-energy electronic states under doping, and these are the states that couple to lattice vibrations and so generate superconductivity. If you don't have a problem with the term "doped semiconductor," (which is a material that actually conducts- how do you think those electrons get through transistors on computer chips :-), then you should be ok with "superconducting semiconductor".

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  5. Be Sure To Practice Safe Si by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    And just to make the article more clear: Let's substitute "boron" with Tom (hey, what guy wouldn't want more boron?), and "silicon" with Suzie (hey, what girl woudln't want more, eh, yeah.).

    "Because it has one fewer electron than Suzie available for bonding with neighbouring atoms, Tom incorporated into Suzie leaves a positively-charged "hole" at each site where Tom's "missing" electron would be paired with one of Suzie's."

    Well they did do it in France, you know.

  6. Re:So who the fuck cares by HAL9000_mirror · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One should not always relate things to 'applied' science. There is a predecessor called 'pure' science that acts as an enabler for rest of the world. Sure average Joe doesn't care but it is a significant improvement in the scientific world. Now many critical research can be performed on "silicon" (although at insanely low temperature). Remember the time when there were only few elements in the world that exhibited the property of superconducting? Now Silicon is yet another addition and considering how Silicon is closely related to computing, this could be a jump board for the speed-demanding future ahead.

  7. Re:So who the fuck cares by Ididerus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Um, lots of people care. The MRI machines use super-conducting material cooled with liquid nitrogen, this might make them more efficient. Plus, when I've got my Mag-Lev skate board, you're gonna think I'm pretty cool too. Even if I
    am in space.

    BTW, 0.35 K = -272 C

    Space is around 2.7K or, -270 C (Assuming no Extraneous Radiation)

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  8. Missing the point... by physicsphairy · · Score: 3, Funny

    If we can turn semiconductors into superconductors, then we can probably turn my band conductor into a semi-conductor, which would at the very least mean less thrown chairs during parent teacher conferences, and less thrown chairs can only be good for Linux!

    (Yes, that happened; and yes, he is still in band director.)

  9. Boron by sankyuu · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Gah!
    How is this useful? What are applications? Blahblah

    Since when did science have to have applications?
    (This isn't sarcasm; science is about discovery. Applications of those discoveries are mostly accident. You can't automatically "succeed" at science. Failing to find a room-temperature superconductor isn't failing per se; it means succeeding to eliminate another coulda been material. Finding dead ends is part of the quest. And this result might not yet be a dead end.)

    So far, most of the comments have been posted by boring morons.

    -A bored moron
    1. Re:Boron by espressojim · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eh, just because you haven't found a material that is a superconductor at room temperature doesn't mean that there aren't any. It's easy to say "X can happen, because we have example Y", but you can't say "X can't happen, because we have example Y". All you can do is state all the places you've seen that it doesn't work. Sometimes, you can generalize those results (water from the atlantic ocean is not made of cheese, and thus we have no reason to believe that water from the pacific is either.)

      Negative results are still results - they limit the problem space that you can search to find a positive result.

  10. Re:So who the fuck cares by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who cares? People who are trying to work out how superconductivity happens so that there may been room temperature superconductivity some day - that is who cares. Please keep the profanity to yourself as you play in the garden and let the Moorlocks get back to it.

  11. Re:So who the fuck cares by windsurfer619 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But you must admit, getting an object to 0.35 K from 3 K is a lot easier than bringing it from 300 K.

  12. they got it all backwards by LM741N · · Score: 2, Funny

    Boron was made superconducting by doping it with 90% silicon.

  13. 0.35K is rather cold by NixieBunny · · Score: 4, Informative
    I realize that this is just a laboratory curiosity at this point, and no one would try to use such a compound commercially. Still, a brief description of what it's like to make 0.35K is in order.

    I work on a radiotelescope that uses receivers cooled to 4K. These use a helium refrigerator that works just like the Freon thing in your car but using helium instead of Freon as the phase-change medium. It takes three stages of cooling (with compressors and heat exchangers) to get to the 4K point. It also takes 10 kW of electrical power to cool one watt of load to 4K.

    We until recently had one receiver, a bolometer, that was cooled to 0.4K using the 3He isotope of helium that has a lower boiling point. The refrigerator for this is a fist-sized gadget that uses a charcoal trap, a heater resistor and some plumbing to make a refrigerator that can be cycled to produce 0.4K for a day or so at a time. It makes many microwatts of 0.4K coldness from less than one watt of 4K coldness.

    Unfortunately, the 3He leaked out and the gizmo is currently a paperweight since it was made by a very clever French guy who's no longer in the business.

    You can still buy 3He refrigerators from other manufacturers, but they are two feet long. The 3He is available for several thousand dollars a bottle.

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    1. Re:0.35K is rather cold by wass · · Score: 4, Informative

      Getting to 4K is relatively easy, you get a dewar of helium (this is the relatively abundant He4 isotope) at roughly $4 per liter. You can cool to 1K relatively easily too by pumping on the vapor over the helium, evaporatively cooling ot down to 1K. It's inefficient to do this, though, people tend to build a 1K pot into their cryostat to only pump on a small volume of helium to cool their system to 1K, not the whole dewar.

      Regarding the Helium 3 Fridge, that's actually doing the EXACT same thing as the 1K pot above, you're evaporatively pumping He3 with the charcoal sorb. Since He3 is rare and expensive, this is done in a closed system and recycled.

      I know your pain, though, our He3 fridge has a leak, luckily not on the He3 system (He3 is super expensive), and it's been a pain in the ass to try to fix. To fix your system, you probably don't need that French dude to fix it, get a leak checker (find some experimental condensed matter guys that do vacuum sputtering or evaporation work, they'll have a leak checker), track down the leak on your He3 system, plug the leak (silver solder if possible w/ your machine shop), then pay some $$$ to inject some He3 back in when you're damn sure you've got no more leaks left.

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  14. Re:So who the fuck cares by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's just a process of discovery to advance science. If we didn't go through these scientific processes of discovery then we would still have people running around thinking that everything was controlled by some big booming voice in the sky. Oh wait...

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  15. This will be useful in low temperature physics by ebers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, 0.35 K is really cold. Refridgeration methods that reach this temperature cost ~ $100,000 and use the helium-3 isotope as the working fluid, which costs several hundred dollars per gaseous liter at STP. But this may still be useful because there is lots of established technology for making very small things out of silicon, and lots of fundemental physics that can only be done at very small length scales and in very cold environments.

  16. Re:So who the fuck cares by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only thing worse than an aggressively ignorant idiot is a foul-mouthed one.

    In the 1830s, it was discovered that some materials acted as neither pure conductors nor pure insulators. They called them semiconductors, and they were a curiosity until the 1890s, when they were found to be useful as rectifiers and photovoltaic cells. Another 40 years later, and people started to consider them as a replacement for the triode vacuum tube, which was immensely useful but fragile and difficult to deal with.

    Pure research in new directions isn't just allowed because it 'might lead to something,' it's absolutely essential in order to progress beyond refinement of the existing.

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  17. start the car by ElephanTS · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tried super-doping myself but it got boron after a while.

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  18. Too Much Battlestar Galactica. by camperdave · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've been watching too much of the original Battlestar Galactica. With their "centons", "sectons", "furlons", "crawlons", and of course "Cylons", when I saw the term boron, my first thought was that it was some sort of unit of boredom. Then I read the article, and realized I was right.

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  19. Pamela Anderson by corychristison · · Score: 2, Funny

    So I guess Pamela Anderson is more useful than we thought! Other than the obvious, of course. ;-)

  20. Re:Um by wass · · Score: 3, Informative


    Pretty much anything will superconduct below 0.35K. How is this news?


    Actually, no, many things do not superconduct at arbitrarily low temperature, common examples being some of the best room-temperatures conductors we know of (eg copper and gold). Pure silicon also does not superconduct, as explained in TFA, which was known for some time.

    As for this being news, well it interests me because I do experimental research with superconductors. But I'm surprised it made the front page of slashdot.

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  21. Re:So who the fuck cares by agentcdog · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. You are wrong. Read up about blackbody radiation. Space is like a big cavity with blackbody radiation that's about 3k. That's the thing about electromagnetic radiation - you don't need a medium. Let me make it clear... If you brought a piece of metal into space, would it keep cooling off by radiation? No. Why? Because at 3 kelvin space would be giving it as much energy as it is shedding. The pipe and space would be at an equilibrium state when the pipe reached 3 kelvin. You see how this is real temperature? Good.

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  22. Things by mqduck · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can do things I normally can't when I'm doped, too.

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  23. Re:So who the fuck cares by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not really. No one makes a 300K->.35K cooling device. Put simply, you take a 3K->.35K refrigerator and set it inside a 300K->3K refrigerator. Since any lab or plant that is doing this sort of work already has the 300K->3K unit, using said unit is a trivial addition to the process of using the new "low temp" unit.

  24. Re:Um by mikael · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wikipedia has an explanation.

    The electrical resistivity of a metallic conductor decreases gradually as the temperature is lowered. However, in ordinary conductors such as copper and silver, impurities and other defects impose a lower limit. Even near absolute zero a real sample of copper shows a non-zero resistance.

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  25. Superconducting Semiconductors by gantry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some years ago, evidence for superconductivity was found in a gallium arsenide epitaxial device. The work was duly published, and only some time later was it realised that the superconductivity was occurring in metallic indium on the back of the device - the indium had been used as a good thermal conductor for mounting the GaAs substrate in the epitaxial growth chamber, and had not been completely removed.

    If these guys have done their work carefully, they will have gone to great lengths to ensure that they really are measuring doped silicon, and not boron-rich precipitates, which might be formed at these very high boron doses.