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Growing Problems With Electronics Waste

eldavojohn writes "The BBC is reporting that many countries are dumping their e-Waste in poorer African nations. From the article, 'The world's richest nations are dumping hazardous electronic waste on poor African countries, says the head of the UN's Environment Programme (Unep).' The problem with e-Waste (versus other wastes) is that the gases and chemicals that make up a lot of electronics are particularly harmful for the environment. I suppose nobody takes their computer, TV or Radio to the repair shop anymore since a new one is a fraction of that cost down at the local convenience store."

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  1. repairs vs new by 56ker · · Score: 4, Informative

    nobody takes their computer, TV or Radio to the repair shop anymore since a new one is a fraction of that cost down at the local convenience store."

    Yep, case in point - I gave someone a quote of £175 to fix their laptop. They preferred instead to spend £339 on a new one. Even if the cost is lower for repairs people still prefer to buy new (which doesn't make much sense to me).

    1. Re:repairs vs new by mccalli · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I gave someone a quote of £175 to fix their laptop. They preferred instead to spend £339 on a new one. Even if the cost is lower for repairs people still prefer to buy new (which doesn't make much sense to me).

      £339 - £175 = £164. £164 for an upgraded laptop starts to sound ok, doesn't it. Now take broken'ish laptop and put on ebay and you reduce that £164 figure still further, depending on age and how broken it really is. Suddenly the choice is obvious - unless this laptop is a current model, you're as well geting rid and buying something more up to date.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    2. Re:repairs vs new by scum-e-bag · · Score: 4, Interesting
      when was the last time you upgraded your laptop?

      I've had mine for over two years now and I don't think I'll be upgrading until either the battery or the screen completely dies. It's a 1.5Ghz Pentium M with 2 gig of RAM. Linux/GNOME runs like a dream and the only time I need more speed is when I want to compile something... more of a FSB issue than anything else. This just means that I'll stick with pre-compiled binaries as opposed to a gentoo solution for the moment.

      We just deal with slow outdated laptops untill they're too slow and outdated, then we bin them or give them away. What's changed?

      Hardware has become cheaper. China has happened. Then there is Linux. Linux is now mature enough as a desktop environment. Very little extra bloat is needed for the Linux desktop... it only needs cleaning around the edges with a standardised interface. Historically the driving force behind increasing PC power usage has been bloatware (the old wintel alliance). Linux has a different business model to MS and is forcing MS to slow down its bloat process. If MS continues to force bloat, then it will open a door for Linux to be installed on smaller, cheaper, less powerful hardware, thus lowering the TCO for a Linux based network operating system.

      Personally, I think we are about to see a rapid decline in new PC hardware sales, moving instead towards notebook style PCs. DIY PCs are about to become a thing of the past. Vista is likely to be the last MS operating system that requires a generational hardware upgrade, the maturity of Vista as an operating system is astounding. It appears that the relationship between MS-OS-revisions and maturity is "Maturity = ln(revision number)", where the function ln is the natural logarithm. After the upgrade to Vista, the only need to upgrade further (other than aesthetics) will be to reduce power consumption with efficient hardware, which itself will take on an exponential relationship.

      The only place I still see bloat in the MS machine is in the active directory, and this isn't PC based, its network based...
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      Does it go on forever?
  2. Ironically by Alioth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ironically, the EU regulation RoHS (which is intended to cut down on hazardous materials in electronics) is likely to make the waste problem worse - since it bans solder with lead in it. Lead free solder is quite inferior to leaded solder - it tends to be more brittle, and tin whiskers are more likely to form. This means electronics using lead-free solder will fail more frequently and earlier, and therefore need to be replaced more frequently, increasing the volume of waste - and probably more than negating the intended effect of RoHS in the first place.

    1. Re:Ironically by sonamchauhan · · Score: 5, Informative

      > Will I get a replacement battery?
      Yes, for an old laptop, that could be a bad idea. :-)

      My experience: I sourced a replacement battery for a 5 year old Fujitsu laptop direct from Fujitsu who had it stocked all these years. Even though the new battery was virgin, it had deteriorated in storage.

      Instead, repack your battery ( http://www.google.com/search?q=repack+laptop+batte ry )

    2. Re:Ironically by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ironically, the EU regulation RoHS (which is intended to cut down on hazardous materials in electronics) is likely to make the waste problem worse - since it bans solder with lead in it. Lead free solder is quite inferior to leaded solder - it tends to be more brittle, and tin whiskers are more likely to form.

      Having been through the RoHS transition for my company's consumer products, I can tell you it is really not that bad.

      There were some pains - plastic in one connector that had very minor heat deformation issues, and tin whiskers in another connector, which were easily cleared with a blast of air. However, as soon as we pointed these out to the suppliers they were quickly fixed.

      There were also some delays getting new lead-free ICs and hexavalent-chromium-free screws, but nothing disastrous.

      Reliability in the field has been just as good with non-RoHS product.

      And as an added bonus, since it is far more cost effective to produce _only_ RoHS compliant products, our US shipments will also be lead-free.

      I suspect your experiences are not first-hand. I have yet to hear from anyone who is experiencing big problems with RoHS that can't be chalked up to simple bad planning.

      The RoHS requirements may have been a transitional PITA for many, but now that everyone had made the switch, it is really no more difficult to design and build than it was before. Maybe the solder costs a few cents more.

  3. Bad news by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's somewhat ironic at a time when governments such as Britain's are pressuring their citizens to be ecologically responsible and do their part, when at the same time they are just taking their issues and hiding them 'under the carpet to say'. Especially when MEDC countries are pressuring the developing countries in order to lower their economical aspirations in order to be environmentally aware ("Meanwhile the British leader is likely to raise the issue of global warming, and what developing countries like India can do to help tackle it." at the BBC). Seems to me as when the developed world is pushing on one front in order to gain public support and more education towards global warming, behind the backs of this they are just doing the same as usual in order to get rid of problems that would require investment, something we should be ashamed of.

  4. Ah, the old reverse 419 scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello, my name is Robert Johnson and I have recently come to aquire 10,000,000 computers that I need to smuggle out of the country...

  5. Is this really such a bad thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    By the time we've filled up Africa, things will have warmed up enough to provide us the whole new continent of Antarctica for dumping.

  6. E-Waste by timgradwell · · Score: 4, Funny
    "The BBC is reporting that many countries are dumping their e-Waste in poorer African nations."

    I always wondered what happened to the spam emails after I deleted them. Now I finally know where they end up.

  7. I'll explain why they choose a new item. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So they bring their used laptop to you for a repair. You charge £175. As with virtually every other device and piece of machinery out there, it'll likely break down more frequently as it ages. Soon enough, they'll be paying you another £175 to repair it when some other part breaks. And finally something else will eventually go, perhaps costing another £175. So they've spent £525 repairing what is likely by now a slow, underperforming system.

    They'd be stupid not to spend £339 on a new system, especially when it comes to laptops. A difference of a year can mean a two- or three-fold performance improvement. Plus they'll likely experience a longer period of time before the next failure. So it's no wonder they'll pay £339 for a new system, rather than paying £525 for repairs (over and above the original purchase price).

    It's just simple economics, lad.

  8. Re:I keep all my old electronics by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You do realize that most of the world isn't interested in starting an antique electronics museum. Besides, you're just procrastinating. Someday, someone will want to dump the stuff.

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  9. Mandatory recycling by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone have an opinion on mandatory recycling? I think it would be a good idea, with fines and fees imposed for throwing recyclable things into the trash, namely electronic items. However, to offset any harshness of the law, recycling must be made free, and by free, I mean paid for by taxes (as long as it's not a property tax, sales tax increase, or income tax increase).

  10. Re:I keep all my old electronics by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't remember the last time I threw away anything electronic.

    You're not married, are you?

  11. Not just price... by Kris_J · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "I suppose nobody takes their computer, TV or Radio to the repair shop anymore since a new one is a fraction of that cost down at the local convenience store."
    Or because you can't actually get them fixed. The insides of even a semi-modern TV are surface-mounted, machine-soldered ICs and small components, not servicable by most humans, particularly since many individual parts aren't available to repair companies. So, you have to buy an entire "module", only available as a "spare part" that costs roughly 75% of the price of the latest model.

    Companies should be forced to include, with your electronics purchase, two small parts likely to fail early.

  12. Been in the shlock buying biz for 8 years now... by Super+Dave+Osbourne · · Score: 3, Informative

    and seen countries come and go regarding taking it on the chin for the US consumer byproduct/waste. First it was indeed our own backyard landfills, then we got 'smart' and taxed heavy or disallowed it in the mid to late 90s. Then it went off to Mexico, in the form of used crap being sold to uneducated folks in Mexico for top dollar when the markets began to collapse in the 99-01 timeframe. Then it started to head off (monitors in particular) to China. Then they got wise, and also stopped allowing big electronic trash ships to dock at all and unload, basically causing a huge bottleneck at their ports and off the coasts. Now it is Africa, doesn't suprise me at all if next it is Antartica when folks realize what this stuff does to the ground waters. Its hilarious that folks are so shocked at this capitalism at its worst with monitors and heavy metals from electronic consumerism. Steve Jobs, you should be ashamed of yourself. :)

  13. How about deposits? by HairyCanary · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oregon pioneered the idea of bottle deposits. How about we extend the idea to electronics? 1% of the purchase price, with lower and upper caps.

  14. Often impractical by DeathElk · · Score: 3, Interesting
    My early career involved traineeships at a few electronics repair shops whilst attaining a trade certificate. Even 15 years ago, it was becoming impractical to service many consumer electronics items, with the cost of spare parts being inflated by manufacturers to encourage purchase of new goods.

    A small repair shop must often gamble on which parts to purchase, and deal with incessant customer grumbling over repair costs. Here are some stories.

  15. VISTA should greatly increase e-waste by Proudrooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just think about the impact MS Vista and Office-2007 are going to have on e-waste. If you want the new MS bloat code with the almost as good as MAC interface, then you are going to need (minimum) a 64-bit processor, liquid cooled video card, and 2GB of RAM. Africa needs to brace for the boat load of PIII's and low-end P4's about to show up.

    It's really sick that modern computers have such extreme processing power relative to 20-years ago, yet we must continue to upgrade.

  16. Reverse Microsoft Recycle Tax? by gelfling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since the fucking tools in Redmond are shoving ever more bloated crap at us requiring us to replace our hardware ever more frequently why the hell don't governments charge Microsoft that recycling tax instead of pushing the problem down on the consumer who has no other choice. I for one am sick as shit listening to people tell me it's my problem.