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Apple Prototypes: 5 Products We Never Saw

Michael writes "For every Apple product we see on the shelves, there are dozens that never make it to production. Sometimes, these rare gems surface on the web for us to take a look at, and ponder what might have been. Scouring through the interweb, I've compiled this list of 5 Apple products that only the most hardcore of hardcore MacAddicts have ever stumbled across. Surprisingly, some of these products, over 10 years old, are still being speculated about in one form or another to this day. Will we see new products based on these old prototypes? It's far more likely that anything resembling the devices listed below have been rebuilt from the ground up, but still, it's fun to look back on the products that didn't make it to the mass market."

169 comments

  1. I must ask... by Slur · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whatever happened to the iBrator??

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    1. Re:I must ask... by eebra82 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's coming in 2007, called iPhone. The downside is that someone has to call you to make it work like the iBrator was intended for.

    2. Re:I must ask... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Whatever happened to the iBrator??"

      It never made it to market for fears of chipped teeth being a Mac stereotype.

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    3. Re:I must ask... by Firehed · · Score: 2, Funny

      It got renamed to the Wiimote.

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    4. Re:I must ask... by MoxFulder · · Score: 1

      Beta testers found it oddly unsatisfying.

    5. Re:I must ask... by Iron+Condor · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:I must ask... by aplusjimages · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you call yourself is that masturbation.

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    7. Re:I must ask... by GORby_ · · Score: 1

      I guess that depends on where you put your iPhone before calling yourself :-)

    8. Re:I must ask... by bughunter · · Score: 1

      It depends on what you call yourself...

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  2. PenLite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a PenLite in my basement. What's interesting is that it has a pen that contains batteries - its radio-active (as opposed to radio-passive (rfid-ish) or touch screen) and it has great parallax. The software on it (last time I booted it) referenced the apple in store coffee shop and had some sort of handwriting recognition app - but nothing wired up to the OS such that you could write out a memo, for instance. Now, if only I knew how to sell it...

    1. Re:PenLite by EGSonikku · · Score: 1

      Posting non-AC would help ;)

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    2. Re:PenLite by TobyRush · · Score: 1

      Now, if only I knew how to sell it...

      1. Send it to me.
      2. ???
      3. Profit!

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    3. Re:PenLite by able1234au · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I had access to a Penlite for a while when i was at Apple. At the time it seemed to be a solution looking for a problem. A fun prototype but a bit buggy from memory. There were times when you wanted the keyboard to reset it. The newton felt much cooler to me. I once used a newton to take notes in a developer conference with full handwriting recognition and then went back to the hotel and uploaded the notes to my colleagues. No big deal now but was pretty cool at the time. I still have some of the beta newtons floating around. My kids used them for a while but there was nothing much they could do with them. The Penlite i had to give back when they killed the project. It was verrrrryyyy tempting to keep it as it was pretty unique but i guess they didnt want us showing it to customers.

    4. Re:PenLite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      PenLite wasn't the codename, but it was pretty cool. We had one around for a while, as well as a Paladin - (which was based on an '030 PowerBook Duo and worked quite well and was featured in USA Today once upon a time). Like a PowerBook Duo 230 with the display flipped around, facing out.

      PenLite used a MacOS 7.1.x version of the Newton OS recog engine. "Rosetta" was on Mac OS long before any of the breathless assholes in the Mac Rumor community ever thought of it.

      There was a flip-swivel screen idea for a PowerBook G3 Series companion to Wall Street named Hollywood, but beyond that, I can't go into specifics (even as AC). It never got prototyped.

      In fact, there are more projects Apple's kept secret and cancelled than these Mac Rumors jerks have ever guessed at correctly. I wish those folks would just pass silently into the night, because their annoying guesses and speculation on upcoming Apple products are the main reason working there can be such a pain in the ass. Apple used to be pretty fun place to work, but everything in and out is monitored these days - precisely because a few attention-seekers like Jason O'Grady and "Nick DePlume" chose to go into the leak-amplifying business.

    5. Re:PenLite by Skater · · Score: 1

      That business plan is just crazy enough to work!

    6. Re:PenLite by mondotom · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was the penlite manager... it was indeed a duo with the display flipped, designed to be docked in the duo dock. it also had a "transformer" bag with an integrated keyboard, the bag also worked as a stand and a harness for medical workers (most of the beta testers were with a hospital). It was a wireless pen (a version with eraser and pressure stroke), also had a wireless cdpd module for cellular connectivity, ability to IR link to other penlites, early firewire, powerpc upgrade, a long list... lots of stories about that project.. very fun, fast track, only 9 months to production. oh yes it went into pilot production before executive management killed it, most were shipped to Japan. The first prototype had a pen and finger interface; project scribe. That one you could ink with the pen and flip pages with your finger, demonstrated at an Apple WWDC.
      Some other ATG less known projects; hand held mac (think pre-palm) that ran hypercard, done by apple ATG and sony (project names; handimac, smartifacts, pocket crystal) that became general magic. The digital camera done with toshiba (image of this made it into time mag) then sanyo then kodak (project name; papaya). The mobile media device with cd-rom (also ran hypercard) that became kalieda (project sweetpea). Both general magic and kalieda suffered from the anti mac os license position, as both had to recreate the OS and in doing so delayed by years the release.

    7. Re:PenLite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're an asshole.

      "shut up and take what we throw at you, don't question anything!" seems to be what you're saying.

      You really need to accept that anything Apple does is newsworthy, and people need to know.

      If Apple would release roadmaps to new technology, it wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem for you sticks in the mud.

  3. The Newton Telephone by davidwr · · Score: 3, Informative

    When the Newton came out in the mid-90s, a lot of people remarked on how much it "looked" like a telephone without buttons. Even the speaker was in just the right place.

    Who needs buttons when you've got a touch-screen anyways?

    It could even surf the web, with a little help from a nearby Macintosh.

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    1. Re:The Newton Telephone by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny, I still have a Newton modem lying around, no nearby Macintosh needed. Actually, in this clip http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/15/steve n-segal-saving-the-world-with-a-newton/?url=http%3 A%2F%2Fwww.tuaw.com%2F2006%2F10%2F15%2Ffound-foota ge-steven-segal-saving-the-world-with-a-newton%2F& frame=true you can see Stephen Segal save the world with a Newton. "Dialling Mile High Cafe", a classic line!

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    2. Re:The Newton Telephone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who needs buttons when you've got a touch-screen anyways?

      Anyone who doesn't have an obsessive disorder that requires them to wash their hands every fifteen minutes.

    3. Re:The Newton Telephone by D4MO · · Score: 1

      People who have bad eyesight and need to be able to feel the buttons. Or people like me who like to be able to dial without having to look at the keypad.

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  4. Alternate article title by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Apple Prototypes: 5 Products Microsoft Never Got To Copy"

    I should AC this, but what the hell. What good is karma if you don't spend some now and again? =)

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    1. Re:Alternate article title by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Funny

      What good is karma if you don't spend some now and again?

      You're kidding right? You really think you're going to take a karma hit for saying MS copies Apple on slashdot?

      What's the weather like on your planet?

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    2. Re:Alternate article title by Trespass · · Score: 1

      More like 'Videophones were a retarded idea then, are a retarded idea know, and are likely to be retarded in the foreseeable future'

    3. Re:Alternate article title by slim-t · · Score: 5, Funny

      My karma's going to take a hit for saying this, but it always seems like anybody who mentions taking a karma hit gets rated 5.

    4. Re:Alternate article title by gafisher · · Score: 1

      Not entirely. The graphic for the very first item indicates it was a "powerBob." http://www.applegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/200 6/11/apple_powerbob.thumbnail.jpg

    5. Re:Alternate article title by espressojim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that "funny" doesn't count towards karma. Mission (not) accomplished!

    6. Re:Alternate article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but he still got rated 5.

    7. Re:Alternate article title by cptgrudge · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I don't want to comb my hair or shave in order to use the phone.

      Of course, the natural progression after video is to integrate another human sense. How about smell? The comedic potential aside, I don't want to smell some person's poor excuse for "pleasant fragrance" in that powerful, eye-watering scent wafting out of my phone. Because people just waking up won't bother to shower or brush their teeth before they call; they'll just cover the phone in perfume.

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    8. Re:Alternate article title by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Actually, videophones are a great idea - for mobiles. And not so the person I'm talking to can see me, but so they can see where I point the phone. Ditto for home use really; I may not want to show myself off, but I might want to show someone the pie I just baked or my perpetual motion machine or what have you.

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    9. Re:Alternate article title by mrpaco18 · · Score: 1

      I should mod you +1, Funny

    10. Re:Alternate article title by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I've taken a few karma hits bashing MS here. It's been a while though. IIRC, one of them was me simply pointing out some problem or something. It was enough to get me tempbanned. I couldn't post for about a week or so.

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  5. This is why I like Apple by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple seems to have a philosophy of "just because we *can*, that doesn't mean we *should*" Many of the products in that article would have been plausible, but incredibly half-assed in terms of practical functionality, given the state of technology at the time. The videophone Newton is a pretty good example of this...sure, it might have worked, but the device was gigantic. Apple has a knack for waiting until tech gets small enough that it will fit into a tight package.

    1. Re:This is why I like Apple by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Apple seems to have a philosophy of "just because we *can*, that doesn't mean we *should*""

      That could be said of just about any technology company. Heck, I worked at a really small software company a few years ago and despite a shortage of resources, they invested some time into a variety of products that never saw the light of day. The philosophy was more like "it's neat... but would it sell?" Any project goes through this phase, it's not just some business practice exclusive to Apple. Yeah, stupid products still make it to market, but there's a great deal more that never saw the light of day.

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    2. Re:This is why I like Apple by quizzicus · · Score: 1

      Here's the direct link to the slide show for the impatient among us.

    3. Re:This is why I like Apple by codeshack · · Score: 1

      The best thing about the Newton was Steve Jobs' press conference claiming that there was a "2.5 trillion dollar market" for it -- as the Mac Bible put it, "$500 for every man, woman, infant, convicted felon, and sheep herder on Earth".

    4. Re:This is why I like Apple by Bieeanda · · Score: 1
      Many of the products in that article would have been plausible, but incredibly half-assed in terms of practical functionality, given the state of technology at the time.
      I rather wish that the article's author realized that, because the sense of naivete that came off of it was palpable. The design of the WALT in particular is clearly awful: a 'portable' phone big enough to have a touch-screen and a lot of unused space around it, that could send and receive faxes, but didn't have any apparent keyboard interface for writing outgoing faxes.
    5. Re:This is why I like Apple by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Informative
      Many of the products in that article would have been plausible, but incredibly half-assed in terms of practical functionality, given the state of technology at the time.
      It's also because of mistakes in the article. The PowerBop certainly wasn't a prototype (and certainly wasn't for *Internet* access) but was a wireless modem sold in France for the local BeBop wireless phone system that was briefly deployed in cities prior to the availability of GSM cell phones and as an unexpensive alternative to the analog car radio phones. The modem card could be fitted in the Powerbooks sold at the time (can't remember the bandwidth you got with it though, probably around 9kb).

      The BeBop system worked a bit like a cell phone system except that you could only initiate calls, not receive them. Also you couldn't switch cells while connected to the network. On the other hand it wasn't very expensive and you could get a base to hook up to your ground line so you could use your handset at home as a regular phone.

      You could usually spot the areas covered by the BeBop network by the little striped blue and green stickers on the water chutes of the buildings (there are still some leftover). I seem to remember BeBop lasted about 4 or 5 years before it was retired. Despite its numerous limitations it was quite popular at the time. Even the Mac modem sold fairly well with the diehard Mac geeks. AFAIK it was the only wireless modem ever created for that system.
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    6. Re:This is why I like Apple by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Funny
      but didn't have any apparent keyboard interface for writing outgoing faxes.
      You don't know how a fax machine works, do you?
    7. Re:This is why I like Apple by clickclickdrone · · Score: 3, Funny

      >every man, woman, infant, convicted felon, and sheep herder on Earth
      As a sheep herder, I take exception to the implication I am not a man.

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    8. Re:This is why I like Apple by vought · · Score: 5, Informative

      The best thing about the Newton was Steve Jobs' press conference claiming that there was a "2.5 trillion dollar market" for it

      That's very interesting, as Steve Jobs wasn't at the company when Newton was conceived, and killed the division upon returning to Apple in 1997.

    9. Re:This is why I like Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst thing was when they discontinued the Newton, I was working for a company outside of the US *called* Newton... we would receive phone calls from all over the world trying to source a reliable stock of Newtons from people who has investments in the tech. Some of them got really annoyed when we told them we had nothing to do with Newtons or Apple for that matter. Also from what I understand the company was in neg with Apple to sell the newton domain name for a largist sum... which pretty much ended when the announcment came.

    10. Re:This is why I like Apple by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I still consider Apple to be the gold standard for a company that continually pump innovation into its product line, while keeping old users happy. My first Mac was back in '94. I bowed out in the late 90's to do the Linux thing for a while, but after a few years of scratch building computers and rebuilding operating systems once a week because Gentoo decided "Hey lets roll out a new version of GLIBC!" I'm back on mac.

      I just love opening the lid, doing my work, and slamming it shut. When they drop in a new widget, it's solid. Sure you have to take it in for an occasional blown logic board... but you CAN take it in for a blown logic board. My Sony's would drop a component and it would be "oh well, sucks to be you." The only reason I had to replace my previous iBook was that I had marinated the thing in coffee. It was 3 years old and running like the day I, or rather work, bought it.

      How many of you kill a three year old laptop and say "GOSHDAMNIT!!!!" It was that good to me.

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    11. Re:This is why I like Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why they scuttled the iBrator.

    12. Re:This is why I like Apple by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sounds like BeBop was a CT2 (or earlier) operator. A similar service in the UK was operated by Rabbit, which in a roundabout way became Orange. The CT2 standard itself ended up being evolved into DECT, which is the primary cordless phone standard in Europe (and has finally just become available in the US.) CT2 phones and base stations are much prized by their owners apparently.

      The major disadvantage, aside from the lack of incoming calls, was the poor range and lack of hand-off. If you wanted to make a call within range of a Rabbit (or presumably BeBop, assuming I'm correct) base station, you had to stay within a few yards of it throughout the duration of the call. Rabbit itself didn't last as long as BeBop, a little over a year, but then it was formed around the time GSM started being rolled out and the UK government had done a lot to open the two UK networks up to the equivalent of MNVOs so Rabbit faced a lot of competition.

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    13. Re:This is why I like Apple by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "The best thing about the Newton was Steve Jobs' press conference"

      Er, no. Jobs killed the Newton when he returned to the company. Some people say it was pique, becuase Newton was Sculley's brainchild, and Sculley had ousted Jobs.

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    14. Re:This is why I like Apple by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      My 1.6 GHz PM G5 is anything but "tight".

    15. Re:This is why I like Apple by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      I did a little searching and the system was indeed based on CT2. And apparently I misspelled it earlier. It was BiBop, not BeBop. Sorry. According to Wikipedia (fr) it was introduced in 1991. The article also shows the "cell in the vicinity" sticker in location on a lamppost.

      I wasn't aware that this kind of "broken by design" public phone system had been tried elsewhere. This is interesting :)

        I don't recall the range thing to be that much of a problem though (that's from what I recall users saying at the time since I never got one myself). The announced range for each cell was 2 to 300m but it got smaller as the number of connected users grew. And of course the cell density was highly random, depending on the expected usage and handset sales in the area.

      I also found a small article (fr) with a picture of a fairly typical BiBop handset. Dated, but not that ugly, considering.

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    16. Re:This is why I like Apple by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Yeah, I took a look at that and added a CT2 entry into Wikipedia. Surprised it wasn't already there, but I guess it's pretty much an obsolete technology. CT2 begat DECT, and had the system been based on DECT (complete with handover and incoming calls) it might have gone somewhere - PHS, which has better range but is otherwise completely comparable to DECT, is/was a hit in Japan.)

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  6. Wow by vga_init · · Score: 1

    I'd sure like to get my hands on one of the Paladin thingies. If I ever wanted to start up a small business, I could keep that little puppy on my desk, not to mention I would have a blast programming it. I think with a little adaptation I could seamlessly integrate a lot of important business applications without having to rely on much overhead or security risk lost to network transmission.

    On the other hand, I'd hate to think of what would happen to me if it broke. :-/

    1. Re:Wow by dbIII · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'd sure like to get my hands on one of the Paladin thingies.

      I think Paladins have vows to stop you getting your hands on their thingies. That and the time it takes to get the plate mail off.

    2. Re:Wow by gwyrdd+benyw · · Score: 1
      On the other hand, I'd hate to think of what would happen to me if it broke. :-/

      Yeah, how would you call tech support?

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    3. Re:Wow by vga_init · · Score: 0

      dblll FTW!!!

    4. Re:Wow by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Seems like the Paladin would be especially useful in situations where someone wanted to be on the phone while someone else was using the computer...

    5. Re:Wow by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      I could seamlessly integrate a lot of important business applications

      bzzzzzzzzzt You know that any mention of 'seamless' automatically jinxes the project and dooms it to failure, causing the next mention of it in the next damage-recovery meeting to be like this

      it seemed less problematic during our QA testing...
       

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  7. iGirl by b17bmbr · · Score: 4, Funny

    it was a prototype female that was attracted to long hair, lonely, coders who spend their nights writing open source software, planning to overthrow the evil empire, and have enough computing power to siumultaneously recompile their kernel while playing Quake 3. And she was supposed to be eager to watch the entire Star Wars collection on DVD, but only if he got it to play on his linux box.

    Didn't work. Even Steve Jobs can only do so much.

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    1. Re:iGirl by CoolGopher · · Score: 0

      Nah, they exist, but they were only released in a very limited number. And no, you can't have mine ;-P

    2. Re:iGirl by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1

      Sure iGirl was out only briefly, but many users did upgrade to an iWife. There was that awkward transition with iFiancee the turned a lot of folks off. And many found iWife to be incompadible with their old way of doing things. But just because it didn't appeal to the masses does not mean that the iGirl line was a flop. I find mine to be rather perky, even after all of the upgrades and years of regular use.

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    3. Re:iGirl by somersault · · Score: 1

      Mine either.

      Actually I'd forgotten that I released the source code to that stuff I spent my lonely nights writing when I left high school :D I forgot how much of an idealistic geek I am.

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    4. Re:iGirl by rhombic · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's unusual at all for geeks to release source code during their lonely nights in high school.

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  8. Incomplete list by eebra82 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They forgot to list the following products:

    - iZune, the modest mp3 player.
    - iPond, the relaxing garden equipment.
    - iPple, an actual Californian apple with a fancy name.
    - iCar, the fancy, white car with an iPod scroll wheel instead of a regular steering wheel.
    - iBus, same as above, just bigger. Intended for hip schools.
    - iShmael, the iPod designed for Amish, relies on two horses to power it.
    - iLonium 210, the perfect Russian killer (designed during the cold war).

    1. Re:Incomplete list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There needs to be a way to mod something "-l Unfunny"

    2. Re:Incomplete list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That third product is missing an N in the beginning.

    3. Re:Incomplete list by moosesocks · · Score: 1
      - iPple, an actual Californian apple with a fancy name.


      I'm not sure I'd eat anything labeled as an "ipple"
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    4. Re:Incomplete list by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      only if you find the missing "N"

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    5. Re:Incomplete list by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Nipples are great when sauteed in butter, and served on a bed of hot grits.

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    6. Re:Incomplete list by RemovableBait · · Score: 1

      -1, Overrated?

    7. Re:Incomplete list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Nipples are great when sauteed in butter, and served on a bed of hot grits.

      Tried that once with Natalie Portman. Had to use a chisel to get the damn thing out of the pan, and then I broke a tooth.

    8. Re:Incomplete list by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Well, you could have tried turning the heating up a little, so it wasn't quite so cold.

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    9. Re:Incomplete list by mrdogi · · Score: 1

      - iCar, the fancy, white car with an iPod scroll wheel instead of a regular steering wheel.
      Actually, a former co-worker of mine has one of the new green VW bugs, and her license plate reads 'iBug', so not far off. Yes she is a Apple/Mac. person, as is her husband. I still have a number of old Apple ii floppies lying around that they gave me.

  9. PDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why the heck can't they just make a decent PDA and be done with it? They had a decent start with the newton then just chucked it out! If it could dock with a normal screen and keyboard easily, possibly with wireless, it could do double duty as some sort of internet appliance at home as well. We have all that is necessary today to pull this off tech-wise. Sure, there's a ton of smaller cellphone thingamajobbies out there, and all their various iPod gizmos, but I think there's still a market for a real PDA if it was built with apple's eye for function.

    1. Re:PDA by gonzoxl5 · · Score: 1

      full screen, touchscreen ipod + wireless + mobile application environment + GSM/GPRS/3G card slot + Microphone = ipod/PDA/phone = 7G ipod ?

  10. Apple PenLite by Nightspirit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wish apple would do something like that now, a convertible tablet mac. That is the only thing holding me back from buying a macbook pro, as I would miss the tablet features of my fujitsu.

    1. Re:Apple PenLite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDSlhpjsYeE

      watching the video makes me realize that apple's expose is a great feature for tablet PCs that windows just doesn't offer.

      you're right, apple needs to make a tablet. maybe they're waiting for the technology to be better?

    2. Re:Apple PenLite by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      I'm in exactly the same situtation. I use a G5 at work, and at need, my wife's Powerbook at home, but mostly I use a Fujitsu Stylistic 'cause I won't give up having pen input, and I got tired of schlepping around a Wacom graphics tablet w/ a laptop back when I was using my ThinkPad 755c.

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    3. Re:Apple PenLite by Enrique1218 · · Score: 1

      My guess is that there isn't enough market for it. Even with a market of graphic designers, the device wouldn't have enough screen estate to be useful. Due to low demand, the price for anyone else would be unacceptable Thus, it along with the ultraportable mac are just another prototype that wont see the light of day.

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      You don't have to be smart to use a Mac, you just have to be smart enough to buy one
    4. Re:Apple PenLite by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Screw graphic designers! I'm a college student (engineering and CS) and I want one! I use an iBook now, but when I replace it it'll be with a Tablet PC because I want to be able to draw diagrams in my notes. It just pisses me off that I'll have to use something other than Mac OS because Almighty Steve won't deign to grace us mere mortals with a tablet Mac.

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  12. Other Apple prototypes by k4_pacific · · Score: 2, Informative

    In addition to the items in the article, my research has come up with several other items that Apple prototyped but never manufactured. These include:

    The iCorvair - Apple's first and only attempt at making a car. It was similar to the Volkswagen in that it was to appeal to the same market and had it's engine in back. Unofrtunately, a design flaw in the suspension gave it a tendency to flip over going around corners.

    The eLisa - This was an Apple Lisa with a special AI user interface that emulated a psychiatrist. Focus groups found it annoying to be asked probing, personal questions while trying to get things done, so the project was dropped.

    The iPod Cathode - So named for it's use of four EL84 vacuum tubes in the circuit that drives the headphones, this iPod variant had a short battery life and there was no way to dissassemble it to service the tubes.

    The Mac Maxi - The end all and be all Macintosh. This was a fully partitionable powerhouse mainframe computer that was the size of a dishwasher (mechanical, not Mexican) with EMC disk drives, a built-in Caterpillar diesel UPS, and it's own recirculated glycol cooling system. This was to be the conceptual opposite of the Mac Mini, but the project was scrapped after the prototype tipped over and killed someone.

    The Apple 0 - (pronounced Apple-Naught) This precursor to the Apple I featured a 74LS00 chip hammered into a block of wood as the main processor and had two modes of functionality, called "on" and "off". Users could tell when they were in the "on" mode by the glowing of a small grain-of-wheat light bulb.

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    1. Re:Other Apple prototypes by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      The iPod Cathode - So named for it's use of four EL84 vacuum tubes in the circuit that drives the headphones

      Picture here: http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/ampins/failproj/bel trad.jpg

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  13. Re:what ever happened to the iFuck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    You should go see a shrink, pronto.

  14. Edit? HELL YES. by sudotcsh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Man, I saw the words 'edit post' in the URL to that story and I got all excited, thinking about how I was gonna go change it to reference Apple products like the Apple Post-It Notes and the iBrator and the iZune or whatever ... then once I found out I couldn't edit the post I got all sad.

    Then I started thinking about the iBrator and Ellen Fleiss again and all was well.

  15. Missing from the list... by dgrisman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Copland. From Macworld, July 1995: "A fundamental reworking of the Mac system software is in the works--Macworld reveals how this will make the Mac even better It will do more. It should crash less and use less RAM. It will automate more tasks and reduce desktop clutter. "It" is the next generation of the Macintosh Operating System, a major reworking of the Mac OS. Due in mid to late 1996, this as-yet-unnamed successor to System 7.5, code-named Copland, promises to boost productivity by making the Mac OS operate more efficiently, by building automation into common tasks, by incorporating many features that ..." (Any wonder why Win95 got a leg up on Macs when it launched?) MacUsers everywhere should bow their heads and thank Gil Amelio for killing Copeland and apologize profusely for allowing Steve Jobs for ignominously have him ousted after he cleaned up the excesses on Infinite Loop.

    1. Re:Missing from the list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good addition. It would be interesting to see where Apple would have been if Copland made it out the door. Would we still have the unix-based OS X that we do today? Hmm.

    2. Re:Missing from the list... by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Copland was a great idea that miscarried due to second system syndrome.

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    3. Re:Missing from the list... by dgrisman · · Score: 1

      Agree. I think that conceptually, Copland has been realized in Mac OSX. The irony of these other hardware "diversions" listed in the article is that they nearly killed Apple. Everyone was focused on cool gadgets. Meanwhile, the OS languished. Theres a parallel with the ephemeral IPhone Mac Users pine for today. I think what everyone doesn't understand about the Iphone is that it's not just a device, but an OS, too. In that space, Apple will be competeing with Palm, Symbian, and WinMobile, who all have working OSs in devices currently marketed. Unless they have an OSX Mobile OS ready to go and that has at least all the features/functionality of the others, I don't see how the IPhone is viable.

    4. Re:Missing from the list... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Copland was a poor idea that was really the wrong solution to the problem, and failed largely because it was designed around a system with a lot of baggage. Mac OS X was the right way of doing this (as was Windows NT) - build the system again from the ground up, provide a "proper" way of doing things preferably in a way that's easy to port to and write software for both old and new platforms under (Cocoa/Carbon [ok, Carbon only for cross-platform], Win32) and keep old applications running in a sectioned off "compatability" layer (Classic, Win16) that can crash without taking down the whole system.

      For those who don't remember, Copland implemented pre-emptive multitasking with memory protection, but the only applications that could make use of this weren't allowed to directly interact with the user. Instead, developers were supposed to develop a stub that ran in the same space as all the Mac OS applications, that communicated with the "secure" part. All the applications that crashed Mac OS would also have the same devastating affect on Copland, and if you limited yourself to all-new Copland-only applications, which wouldn't be written for a while because there was no way to write applications that made use of the new features and ran on Mac OS 7, there was still the possibility of one application taking down the whole system if it had some kind of bug that was present in the GUI.

      With no incentive to write native Copland apps, and stability that would have been almost as bad as Mac OS 7 even if the bugs in the OS had been sorted out, the system would have been a disaster if it had been finished and released.

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  16. Swing for the fences by dlenmn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the Apple I like. When most other computer companies were making clones, Apple was doing R&D and making some nifty stuff. Granted, they also almost went broke, but I still liked the attitude, even if there were management problems, turf wars, and whatnot. The balance has shifted somewhat away from R&D, which was obviously needed, but I don't think the balance is quite right yet... I'd like to see more things along these lines from Apple. They've got money now. It wouldn't kill them to swing for the fences a few times.

    1. Re:Swing for the fences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - it's easy to forget how cool it was when you could just plug'n'play a NuBus card while PC users were still setting ISA jumpers. (Or Superdrive floppies, or a bunch of other firsts.) But those platform advances didn't pay off. Wintel slowly caught up to each innovation, and with greater economies of scale.

      The iPod was a homerun of the modern era. But you wait around a while and zuner or later they catch up again...

    2. Re:Swing for the fences by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      Yeah - it's easy to forget how cool it was when you could just plug'n'play a NuBus card while PC users were still setting ISA jumpers. (Or Superdrive floppies, or a bunch of other firsts.) But those platform advances didn't pay off. Wintel slowly caught up to each innovation, and with greater economies of scale.

      The iPod was a homerun of the modern era. But you wait around a while and zuner or later they catch up again...They still have yet to get the following working propery:

      1. Hibernation and Suspend (To this day PC laptop users have a phobia about closing the lid)
      2. Why does PC still have drive letters? It's a pain in the Ass, particularly in network environments, and especially now that every card reader, fob drive, and MP3 player mounts as a drive. I have everyone's peripherals creaping up from C and network drives creaping down from Y. I have hit a few users where around "G" you can't predict if they are going to have the drive available for the network because some flash card reader MIGHT be occupying it.
      3. The Registry. Even PC die hards conceed the concept is CRAP.
      4. Roaming profiles. If PC's had a more complex file mounting system we wouldn't have that mess.
      5. The Registry.
      6. The Registry. (Because is screws up about 3 different things at once, user settings, hardware, and OS configuration.)
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    3. Re:Swing for the fences by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Is simply taking a bunch of existing ideas and throwing them together really R&D. D maybe but there was little to no R going on at Apple.

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    4. Re:Swing for the fences by chikanamakalaka · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sounds like you need a Mac.

    5. Re:Swing for the fences by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      This is the Apple I like. When most other computer companies were making clones, Apple was doing R&D and making some nifty stuff.

      Well to be fair, back in the 80s and early 90s there were a great many computer companies doing R&D, making nifty computer platforms that weren't PCs. Sadly they are all mostly gone though.

    6. Re:Swing for the fences by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      • My last three laptops (counting the current one) have all handled this properly. This is FUD.
      • For backwards compatibility. It's actually not that big a deal. You also don't have to use them in Windows XP and later - Windows supports mounting a filesystem on a directory. Or in other words, this is more FUD. Or maybe you're just ignorant.
      • The concept of the registry is not crap. The execution is crap. GNOME uses the same concept, just with wholly different execution. And it works. But you're right that Microsoft doesn't have it working right.
      • How exactly is a roaming profile different from NIS with a NFS-mounted home directory? Answer: It's more powerful.

      Look, I'm no Microsoft fan, but it doesn't help anyone's cause to make nonsensical attacks.

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  17. Yep, thats a great way to burn your karma by patio11 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Take a potshot at Microsoft. There's nobody the moderators here will more zealously defend from petty slights, aside from perhaps the RIAA or a convicted serial child rapist.

  18. Pippin by cybercyph · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What about the Apple Pippin, their video game console? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pippin

    1. Re:Pippin by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      this is stuff that never made it past R&D... the Pippen actually was made and sold for a VERY limited time.

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    2. Re:Pippin by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've never heard of the Pippin (nice spelling btw) being on sale... However, I'm willing to accept that it happened if you can provide a citation. Meanwhile, at least two out of five of the devices in the article were on sale... Nice try though.

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    3. Re:Pippin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Admittedly linked from your article, I doubt many people have heard of the Apple Interactive Television Box, a very clear predecessor to both the Pippin and the upcoming iTV device (at least that is its code name).

  19. The iBuzz by AslanTheMentat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps you were thinking of.... this?

    iBuzz Doubles Your iPod Pleasure...

    *grin*

    1. Re:The iBuzz by Mattintosh · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, I think he was thinking of the iBrator.

    2. Re:The iBuzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wooosh!

  20. Get with the program, Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have been waiting 20 years for a Knowledge Navigator!!

    Where and when did Apple go so wrong?

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    1. Re:Get with the program, Apple! by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      We call it google. You just have to access it from hardware of your own choosing.

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  21. Now it can be told... by ktakki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every, and I mean every company has products under development that never see the light of day.

    Case in point: mid-'90s, I did a lot of 3D animation and multimedia production. One of my clients was DEC, the Digital Equipment Corporation. Some of the presentations I created for them were for products like the DEC Dove, a tablet/laptop that could use wireless to connect to other DEC Doves in a conference room (this was 1994, before wireless was a standard and about when tablet computing first appeared).

    I was lent a prototype of the Dove (cost: $50,000, delivered by an armed guard) in order to digitize it and create a 3D model. The operating system was something akin to PalmOS, and the screen would automatically rotate from landscape to portrait mode when the screen was opened. I had only the one example, so I can't say how the wireless function worked, but it never crashed on me, which is a lot to say for a prototype.

    There were other DEC projects, none of which got past the stage of painted foamcore models, like a network-attached storage appliance that was about the size of an abridged dictionary. Again, this was 1994, and I didn't see an equivalent product in the marketplace for another 7 or 8 years. That one was ahead of its time, since most of the networks I worked with back then were 10Base2, chugging along at 10Mbps. NAS at that speed would be all but useless for anything but small Word docs.

    I could go on about what killed DEC, but I'd rather let DEC ex-employees tell that story.

    k.

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    1. Re:Now it can be told... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Informative
      it never crashed on me, which is a lot to say for a prototype.

      Being a DEC product it probably had something like RSX inside. It will only crash if a device fails. But a good UI is way too much to expect.

    2. Re:Now it can be told... by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      DEC had some cool stuff. I was lucky enough to go to their UK R&D labs once and they had some stuff which isn't so impressive now but back in 1989 when I went, it was seriously impressive stuff. A lot of it was various multimedia type stuff but the one that impressed me was a database engine that let you store video in tables - great for e.g. estate agents (real-estate). They also had a video digitizer that worked a frame at a time using fractal compression.

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    3. Re:Now it can be told... by tgd · · Score: 1

      That one was ahead of its time, since most of the networks I worked with back then were 10Base2, chugging along at 10Mbps. NAS at that speed would be all but useless for anything but small Word docs.

      Computers were awfully slow back then. We ran NFS mounted root drives over Ethernet all the time. The system wasn't impacted that greatly because drives weren't a whole lot faster anyway. You could run dozens of machines without local storage booted off an ethernet segment without major problems.

    4. Re:Now it can be told... by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

      1982 or so, the DecPro350. WYSIWYGish (bold, italics, embedded charts) word processor, on top of an unfortunately overly screwed down OS called P/OS. (and aptly named, may I add). Later models would run RT-11. However, overpriced, undermarketed, and gone. Had something been done differently, everyone could have been running MicroPDP-11s under their desks, instead of 8088s.

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  22. Greatness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Greatness ... They were way ahead of the times on many things. Too bad these never made it mass production.

  23. Just 5 of soo many by maggard · · Score: 3, Informative

    First off, the list of 5 is really a 5- more list, there are numerous others listed by the same author on the same website in other articles.

    And yes, there are many more items, from the workstations developed with Apollo, the clients with Wang, the Pippin game machine, etc.

    Then there's the technologies like Hotsauce, Cyberdog, OpenDoc, and of course Newton, all of which got into demo or even release but never really made it. And of course the first post-Next version of MacOS which was to be interoperable with MS Windows (not the Star Trek Windows-on-Mac but a MS Windows-based MacOS layer).

    It's really remarkable the amount of technology Apple has pumped out, and of that how much have proven remarkably prescient. Whenever folks complain about how much attention Apple gets I always point out it is because they truly do innovate & lead the market (their small market share notwithstanding)

    Oh, want links to all of the nouns above? Try using your search-engine-of-choice with Apple and whichever it is strikes your fancy - lots of nifty stuff.

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    1. Re:Just 5 of soo many by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Newton was pretty big. It basically gave us the pen computing we have today.

      It wasn't, say, Windows big. But it doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the Pippin.

    2. Re:Just 5 of soo many by spiderbitendeath · · Score: 1

      Star Trek was System 7 on x86. Not Windows-On-Mac.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_project

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    3. Re:Just 5 of soo many by RobTerrell · · Score: 1

      You know, the Windows-based Mac OS layer actually shipped, in Quicktime. If you installed Quicktime (4 or 5, can't remember which) on a PC, a large number of core Mac API functions were available. I remember once trying, and succeeding, to write a program that used the Mac Window Manager, via Quicktime, to open a new Window (via NewWindow)and draw some text in it. There was a serious discussion on some mac lists about whether or not we should use that stuff for porting our Mac apps. It was an incredible idea and there seemed to be no reason why Apple wasn't promoting to developers as cheap and easy to port to Windows. Maybe it wasn't fully QA'd.

      I have no idea if today's QuickTime still has any of that stuff.

  24. On Video Phones by Doomstalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Video phones failed because people have come to realize that they DON'T WANT to be seen. In his novel Infinite Jest, David Foster Wallace puts it very nicely: "It turned out that there was something terribly stressful about visual telephone interfaces that hadn't been stressful about voice-only interfaces. Videophone consumers seemed suddenly to realized they've been subject to an insidious buy wholly marvelous delusion about conventional voice-only telephony. They'd never noticed it before, the delusion --- it's like it was so emotionally complex that it could be countenanced only in the context of its loss. Good old traditional audio-only phone conversations allowed you to presume that the person on the other end was paying complete attention to you while also permitting you to not have to pay anything close to complete attention to her."

  25. Proto iMac (Lamp-arm) used articulated neck by gsfprez · · Score: 5, Informative

    a few of my friends (okay, all of the groomsmen in my wedding) work(ed) at Apple. One of them showed me one of the iMac (with the lamp arm) prototypes.

    It was the basic iMac lamp you know, but it didn't have a shiny Luxo-like arm. What it did have was fully articulated arm... that is, it moved like snake-light, except that it didn't have tension built in. It was totally fluid and you could move the monitor to just about any angle and direction you wanted.

    The trick was, there was a paddle behind the monitor on the right side of the mount - you pulled on it like a flappy-paddle gearshift behind the steering wheel on some new cars. When you did, the arm would go totally limp, with all the weight of the monitor in your hands, and when you released the paddle, the arm went totally stiff - like some kind of magic potion turned the snake-arm into stone.

    I don't know what kind of clutch it used to do that, but it was really eerie. One moment, you could pull and push and pretty much move the monitor however you wanted, and the moment you let go - BAM - the round base and the monitor and the arm were magically a one-piece device - rock solid and totally stable.

    While quite interesting as a design concept - it was rightly rejected. First of all, it totally ruined the lines of the monitor (bah me if you want, but its true) on the back and made it look like some kind of weird bike/computer thing. Secondly - and most importantly - even if you were warned "Look, the weight is going to go from zero to 15 pounds in a microsecond, so be sure to hold on tight" - you'd still end up pulling the handle, it would crash land on the bottom of the monitor frame like a ton of bricks on the keyboard below. I was warned, and i did it. The break point wasn't at the beginning or the end of the pull - which was about and inch and a half of travel. Unlike a car clutch, which has a smooth and vague transition, this went from on to off like a light - and the problem was that the weight of the monitor also went from zero to everything in your hands that fast as well.

    In the end, Apple is the quintessential engineering house.. they start off with the user in mind totally, then they throw out whatever doesn't work, even if it cost a ton of money to develop.. then, they develop and maintain contingencies on the off chance that they'll totally change direction.

    That's why they are kicking ass and why their stuff is worth more than they charge for it and why they can't make their shit fast enough.

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    1. Re:Proto iMac (Lamp-arm) used articulated neck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw the same device.

      It was cool, but cost too much to make - and was thus reworked into the Luxo-armed iMac.

      Strangely enough, the person who showed it to me was also in my wedding. Small world.

    2. Re:Proto iMac (Lamp-arm) used articulated neck by muttoj · · Score: 1

      This technic is now used in car suspensions. The tube is filled with oil and very small iron particles. In normal condition it's fluid but when magnetised is stiffens up. The new Ferrari uses this.

    3. Re:Proto iMac (Lamp-arm) used articulated neck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i was in themeeting where this design got nixed - jony wasn't happy that his grandma couldn't support the paddle pulling/display weight at the same time.

      the design itself was contracted out to someone else, as was the design that they went with (and another design they didn't)

      there was a patent granted for the articulating arm, you can see the design more clearly if you go look for it.

    4. Re:Proto iMac (Lamp-arm) used articulated neck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the weight of the monitor also went from zero to everything in your hands that fast as well.

      They never took you into the sealed room, then? The one where they proposed a solution, albeit half-assed, to this problem? In a split second the keyboard would have metal plates covering it right before the inevitable crash. The technology appeared in the first Batman movie when the Batman had to leave the Batmobile in the midst of Gotham city passersby.

  26. Yawn by gordgekko · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who was utterly underwhelmed by those five products? Most seemed to try and solve multiple problems poorly instead of solving one or two very nicely.

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  27. I know where all the WALTS are by ILuvRamen · · Score: 0

    Didn't I see that WALT device attached to a fancy Japanese toilet? Couldda sworn...
    But thank God they cancelled crappy products that didn't function correctly before they made it to market unlike most other companies *cough cough Sony cough*

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    1. Re:I know where all the WALTS are by dangitman · · Score: 2, Funny
      Didn't I see that WALT device attached to a fancy Japanese toilet?

      It wouldn't surprise me, as it was designed for a wizzy lifestyle.

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  28. Re:what ever happened to the iFuck? by Redlazer · · Score: 1
    Why mod this guy down?

    I agree with him 100%, the poster above probably should go see one.

    -Red

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  29. Re:Edit? HELL YES. by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Funny
    Then I started thinking about the iBrator and Ellen Fleiss again and all was well.

    I think you're confusing two icons: Heidi Fleiss, Hollywood madam, Ellen Feiss, teenage Mac switcher. The first is a bit skanky these days, the latter is probably legal now.

  30. Apple's been doing this forever ... by SickLittleMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... even to those of us who used the Apple II before the Mac.

    There was the Apple II Ethernet card. (Production ready, Announced, Hyped, Cancelled.)

    There was the Apple IIGS / Mac hybrid, which would have allowed an upgrade path for Apple II software owners (e.g. schools) to keep their investment and slowly migrate to the new Mac platform. (Cancelled.)

    There was the Apple IIGS "Mark Twain", with hard disk, SCSI, SIMMs. (Production ready, Cancelled.)

    There was the "GUS" Apple IIGS software emulator for Mac OS. (Almost complete, Never released.)

    Apple makes great stuff. But every generation of Apple users should expect to be screwed in the wrong hole at least once. Obsoleting your latest purchase by switching CPUs for example ...

    SLM

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    1. Re:Apple's been doing this forever ... by evamedia · · Score: 2

      errr, which CPU change obsoleted your latest purchase? Apple have transitioned pretty well over all their changes 68040 / PPC - PPC / Intel and the software one as well OS9 / OS X

    2. Re:Apple's been doing this forever ... by purplelocust · · Score: 1
      Obsoleting your latest purchase by switching CPUs for example ...

      Apple has handled CPU changes more gracefully than any other company, and they still get grief for it! Remarkable. Even the 6502 to 6809 CPU transition worked quite well, with only a few very odd instances where Apple ][ stuff didn't run on the Apple ///. The 6502 to 68000 CPU switch was really the only total discontinuity, and that wasn't exactly just a few days ago, and they did try to accommodate that transition but really weren't able to. 680x0 to PPC went very smoothly, and PPC to Intel (although I haven't made that leap yet) has gone very well for my colleagues who have gotten new machines.

      I guess one of the reasons that people are such whiners about Apple stuff is that the expectations are extremely high- stuff often lasts much longer, so there are more generations active at once and it's harder to simultaneously manage to accommodate three or four generations of products simultaneously, whereas if you are only worrying about this year and last year's stuff, it's much easier to manage.

    3. Re:Apple's been doing this forever ... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1

      Waitaminute.

      You are bitching about a product line that (digging out my calendar) that ran for 17 years and died in 1993?

      Exactly how many product lines run for 17 years? There are automotive lines that are lucky to see 5. For a computer 17 years is the equivilent of a Redwood tree. WINDOWS hasn't been around that long. (As a product line, I'm not even talking about Windows 3.1.1, 95, 98, ME, XP etc.)

      I was playing with those things as a kid. I mean literally as a kid. I was 7 when those things were out, and I was still fiddling with Apple IIgs's in 8th grade.

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    4. Re:Apple's been doing this forever ... by call+-151 · · Score: 1
      The 6502 to 68000 CPU switch was really the only total discontinuity, and that wasn't exactly just a few days agoActually, the Apple IIe card for the Mac LC worked very well for me and a number of instituitions in my area at the time. I have some documents here on OS X that originally came from my Apple II via that route. I have some articles I wrote which have been viewed/edited on the following processors, all in Apple machines:
      • several original 6502s in old Apple II and II+ machines
      • several Z80s at various speeds, running CPM on a cards in my Apple II machines
      • 68000, running on a card in my Apple II (ran under Apple DOS and the UCSD p-system)
      • 6809 on the Apple /// and 65C02 on the IIc
      • 68000 and bunches of various 680x0 on 68k Macs, including 68040 on the Mac IIfx with all its weird architecture (no 68010, though)
      • 601, 603, 603e, 604, 604e on various PPC boxes and ARM on a loaned eMate somewhere in there
      • so-called G3, G4 and G5 (740, 750, 74xx, 970 PPC) processors
      • the Intel Core Duo and Solo

      Not to mention all the various processors on various VMS, Unix etc. machines along the way... Text is text, after all...

      To be fair, I didn't use the IIe card for the LC to move most of my documents over- I had done that long before, using dialup connections and Kermit/FTP-type programs. Somehow I missed the whole IIgs world, though-- for that period I was using my souped-up Apple II and various Unix boxes.
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  31. I remember seeing a Paladin... by jerk · · Score: 1

    ...when I was in training for Apple Service with Kodak. I knew it was a prototype and was almost able to take it home. It was a very cool concept, almost reminded me of a Powerbook Duo strapped to a fax machine.

  32. Where are the cable boxes? by solios · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seriously. I have five of them (quadra 605 and 610-based, plus MPEG board) in my basement. Apple put some serious effort into developing a cable/set-top box prototype, but it never went to market.... and I'd have more to say on the matter if I could actually read the contents of the one hard drive that came with the lot.

    The propable functionality has likely been superceded by the tv shows on ITMS, but that isn't the point.

  33. Re:what ever happened to the iFuck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amen brother, that was beautiful. please post more in your journal.

  34. The prototypes would probably still beat Zune by kerouacsgp · · Score: 1

    I would think that if Apple decide to release any of the prototypes for sale, they would still beat the Zune in sales.

  35. Re:Amazing by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    Not really. Come back when you can link to someone who has been exploited by it. Deliberately downloading and using such a corrupted dmg doesn't count.
     

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  36. Bad names... by DaitanGio · · Score: 1

    All these stuff seems to me nice, but with very bad names.
    And John did not like bad names :)

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  37. iPhone? by cgenman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple pushed on the Newton for quite some time. It did OK, but they were a little too expensive for the time, and a little too bulky for a normal pants pocket.

    Unfortunately, things really took off with the Palm Pilot... which dumped functionality for a form that was actually convenient and fit in a pocket. Sound familiar? I say unfortunately, because 3Com / Palm clearly hasn't had the legs to keep running with it. Now the pure PDA are has the Palm Pilot on the low end, MS's Pocket PC on the high end, and a gamut of random stuff like Psions in the middle. And it looks like the market is shrinking.

    Personally, I've had many PDA's, and liked them all. They were replaced by a Treo, until the shoddy build quality dragged that phone into nothingness. Since the Treo, I've used a standard phone with a unlimited use network plan. Now when I need to make an appointment, I just go to calendar.yahoo.com. Text input with the phone pad is worse than with the Treo's excellent keyboard, but typing in appointments at my normal computer works perfectly.

    I suspect that apple is working on something WRT the iPhone. It would make perfect sense for an iPhone to sync automatically with iCal. It could be more of an Apple Communicator or something like that, with phone functionality relegated the same status as text messaging, calendar functions, and purchasing music from iTunes.

    There isn't a lot of room left in the space between a dedicated PDA and an ultralight computer. Apple would need to go a different direction.

    1. Re:iPhone? by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      Personally i think the whole PDA/palmtop scene died off when Psion gave it up, and is yet to be ressurected. I still have a Revo but alas as i no longer take the train to/from work i've little excuse to use it nowadays. Mono screen, insanely usefull-but-simple office suite (with auto convert to MS office formats), small but not too small qwerty keyboard AND a touch screen.

      Someone out there should take a long hard look at what made the revo good (and the nokia communcator bad (clunky, bad tiny keyboard keys)) throw in more ram, wifi and a headphone socket (but leave out the bloody camera, phone and kettle) and i'd buy one tomorrow.

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    2. Re:iPhone? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I loved my Revo+. Sure, I still have it but the battery is dead. I recall using my Revo+ to read my email connected over IR to my cellphone. Sweet times.

      Well, until it died of course... and took away a shitload of stuff that I hadn't backed up yet. That was of course my own fault, but well...

      The PDA I had before that was a Psion Siena, which I got for free from someone that upgraded to a Series 5mx. Before the Siena, I had an Atari Portfolio... The Portfolio was one of the coolest devices that I ever had....

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    3. Re:iPhone? by somersault · · Score: 1

      http://www.europe.htc.com/products/htctytn.html I've got one of those, works well. I think you can get adapters to plug into a VGA monitor but I'm not bothered about that. The build quality probably isn't up to taking a lot of beating if the keyboard was out at the time, but overall it works well as a phone and integrates fully with the Exchange server at work, which I just upgraded to 2003 recently pretty much to get DirectPush going. We now have 3 WM5 devices and will probably get more as more of the managers see how good they are :)

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  38. I can just imagine the commercial... by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Hi, I'm a PC."

    "And (oooo) I'm (mmmm...ahhh!) a Mac.

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    1. Re:I can just imagine the commercial... by blindd0t · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kind-of like this, right?

    2. Re:I can just imagine the commercial... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Here's your presecription, Ellen. Take two of these and call me in the morning... or anytime!"

    3. Re:I can just imagine the commercial... by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nice. I'll take the one on the right.

      Er, I mean my right. Wanted to make that clear.

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  39. Re:Amazing by Lorkki · · Score: 2, Funny
    Deliberately downloading and using such a corrupted dmg doesn't count.

    Yeah, as if any users could ever be foolish enough to deliberately download and install malware.

    Oh look, this nice-looking program seems to be free...

  40. Ahead of its time.. by kauttapiste · · Score: 5, Funny

    This made me laugh:

    "..the GMS based service was extremely buggy, and moving from service area to service area caused an almost constant loss of signal.
    The device was ahead of its time."


    Yeah, ahead of its time indeed! It was clearly anticipating the features of the latest 3G phones.

    1. Re:Ahead of its time.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in the Seattle, Washington, USA area. I have a Sprint PPC-6700 PocketPC/EVDO phone that I use like a bluetooth "modem" for my ThinkPad. I drive 70% of my day, and the EVDO disconnects very rarely, and only when transitioning from one cell to the next. It's an otherwise solid piece of technology, especially considering what's involved in the networking chain between my web browser to an Internet host. Add a VPN in there for my corporate CRM, and it's still running smooth.

      CRM app -> VPN tunnel -> MS PPP stack -> Bluetooth serial port -> Windows Mobile software EVDO "modem" -> EVDO base-station transforms -> Sprint WAN -> Internet -> ...

      So much could go wrong, but doesn't. I continually marvel that such complex systems and abstractions work as well as they do.

  41. PowerBop not a prototype by antoinec · · Score: 3, Informative

    I bought a PowerBop around 1994 (don't recall the date exactly) and still own it! It is probably a relatively rare system as Apple made few of them.

    The PowerBop was a high-end PowerBook with a MC68030 and a 68882 FPU (a must have at the time!). The system was running at 33Mhz and had active matrix display.

    The interesting part was the built-in Wireless Modem. Being fairly large, the modem was replacing the floppy drive (an external floppy drive was included in the package). A small antenna was visible on the right of the laptop.

    The PowerBop modem was using a wireless phone network deployed by France Telecom in 1991 called Bi-Bop.

    The Bi-Bop service was based on a rather clever and simple idea. France Telecom installed numerous access points in large cities in France. The access points and mobile phones were nothing more than enhanced digital cordless phones.

    Using this light infrastructure, France Telecom was in position to be one of the first companies to offer a (relatively) low cost mobile phone service.

    The PowerBop was connecting to the service just like a regular Bi-Bop mobile phone. At 14,400 bps, the speed was pretty good especially for a wireless connection.

    All of this made the PowerBop a very innovative system. Picture this: sitting outside of french café checking your emails, surfing on BBS and getting faxes! In early 1990's it was the killer feature!

    Even better, France Telecom also sold private access points to install in your home. Meaning that your Bi-Bop phone was becoming a regular cordless phone when used at home.

    This was also working with the PowerBop. I was surfing at home with a wireless laptop in the early 90s! The ultimate geek toy!

    It is interesting to see that 15 years later, there is no unified service offering phone and wireless networking at home and in the street...

    Antoine
    PS: my first post on Slashdot!

  42. Magnetic Smart Fluids by muttoj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Found a website which explains it better then me. :) http://www.engr-sci.org/dbis/stories/2004/14112.ht ml

    1. Re:Magnetic Smart Fluids by cowscows · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that this worked via turning on an an electro-magnet when you wanted the neck to stiffen. If this were the case, wouldn't you have a problem with a power failure causing the electro-magnet to turn off, sending the monitor crashing to the desk?

      I'm just curious how they engineered it so that that wouldn't happen? Perhaps some sort of persistent magnetic field that kept everything solid by default, and then somehow canceling out that field when the screen needed to be moved? I have only a basic understanding of magnetism and all that, but it sounds quite interesting.

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    2. Re:Magnetic Smart Fluids by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'd guess they did it with a permanent magnet mounted to an arm on a cam. Move the arm and the magnet moves away from the fluid. Since magnetic fields are transmitted more efficiently through iron than through other materials, you probably only need to get it close to a bit of it, not surround the whole thing - provided you use a sufficiently strong magnet. They might even be using multiple magnets laid out such that when you move the one, movable magnet, it cancels the field from the other. You can't get 100% cancellation but you might be able to get close enough. Of course, I never saw the thing, so this is all just wild guessing.

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    3. Re:Magnetic Smart Fluids by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Ah, that makes sense. It didn't occur to me that the magnetic field could travel through the same material that it's stabilizing, working as it goes. Very cool.

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  43. Re:PowerBop not a prototype; I have one by buserror · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have a Powerbop (with my stack of "collector" powerbooks). It's a Powerbook 180 with a wireless modem allright, but the data was only 9600 at best (possibly less) and there was no email at the time, unless you had your own private access. There were no fully fledged commercial ISPs in france until some time later. Apple "innovation" had not foreseen the tcp/ip and the internet and at the time, "MacTCP" was pretty lame.
    So with powerbop, you could connect to classic BBSes and do faxes, but mostly all you could do was access the Minitel network, at a premium...

  44. Re:Edit? HELL YES. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

    A bit skanky?

    Even on Slashdot, that's pretty low standards.

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  45. Don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  46. mac needed for web browsing by davidwr · · Score: 1

    The web browser I saw was merely a front-end, the real web browsing happened on the nearby Mac, invisible to the user.

    Unless you told him otherwise, the user thought he was browsing the web on the Newton.

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  47. Apple PenLite - How to Corner Educational Market by guywcole · · Score: 0

    I work doing IT as a grad department at a major public university. I'm seeing a lot of people buying MacBook's, but mustly in humanties/soft-sciences. The biggest reason that technical students say they won't get a MacBook is that their next laptop will be a tablet. And I agree: for any class containing numbers/graphs, the ability to draw notes is essential.

    If Apple really wants to corner the educational market (and they've got a good start now), they really need to release a Tablet MacBook.

  48. Re:Apple PenLite - How to Corner Educational Marke by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to paper? I take my iBook to classes, but never bother using it for any kind of notes because it's simply too slow. And I type 75+ wpm. I can take notes faster with a pen and paper, and still I'm able to put technical graphs in my notes.

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  49. Re:Apple PenLite - How to Corner Educational Marke by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    A Tablet PC is a replacement for paper and w/ software like Infty Reader or MathJournal means that one's notes then become interactive _and searchable_ --- also all one's notebooks are contained in one's Tablet, so there's never any running out of paper &c.

    William

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  50. Re:Apple PenLite - How to Corner Educational Marke by guywcole · · Score: 0

    Since I'm in public policy, there are few classes that include technical graphs (and half of those use Excel anyhow). Actually, I've gotten pretty good at outlining using simple text for all my other stuff. There are several things I love about taking notes on my powerbook:

    -My handwriting is officially horrible. Typed notes are not only legible by me but by my classmates, too.
    -My notes are searchable. By using simple text for notes, I can use "cat Classname*.txt | grep important term" and find every reference to it in my notes. Useful for when my professor mentions long-run discount function and I need a refresher.
    -No extra books. I need to carry my laptop around for my work anyhow, and I'm constantly doing e-mail (and slashdot reading) all day, so taking notes on my laptop prevents having to switch back and forth.
    -Non-perishable notes. My disorganization leads to crumpled up, torn pages. Using my laptop preserves my notes indefinitely.
    -Community back up. Got a friend who missed class? Send them your notes. Then, if you ever need notes, not only do you have friends in debt, but they also have an exact copy of your old notes should you lose them (or, perhaps, you drop your laptop in the parking lot and kill the hard drive).

    Now, I'm not going to say that i've moved to a paperless life. I still print a lot of things out (usually for turning a paper in, but also for my own convenience somtimes). I'm also not the only one in my department doing this: I'd say about 20% of students have switched to electronic note-taking.

    I'm betting your in a technical major where numbers and graphs play a big role, so it'll be difficult for you to switch to text notes. I'll also wager that you're one of the "write every word the professor says" notetakers. But I bet if you had a tablet notebook (especially a slim one like I bet Apple would make) you'd become a digital-notes proponent yourself.

    Anyway, the bottom line is: for social sciences, typing is very covenient, even if you don't type that fast. Also, technical majors will probably find it convenient once the interface exists for their notes.

  51. one-hit entrepreneurs versus Steve Jobs by peter303 · · Score: 1

    You hear about the rich software wizards who make a fortune and then fade off into the sunset, e.g Netscape, Yahoo, etc. But Steve Jobs has had four mega-hits over three decades Apple-2, Mac, Pixar and iPod. So it take several dogs between megahits. Very few people get a second chance, much less four, and hes not done yet.

  52. Re:what ever happened to the iFuck? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
    Why mod this guy down?

    Stupidity. It's not like it accomplished anything. With that said, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

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  53. Smellovision by Christopher+B.+Brown · · Score: 1
    Ah, yes, the joy of Smell-o-Vision.

    SCTV proposed this for several of the Monster Chiller Theatre presentations; you send in $20 (or so) and get aerosol cans filled with scents, and when you see the blue dot on the screen, spray yourself with the blue can.

    As Count Floyd discovered, "Very Scary!!!"

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