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Companies 'Blah' About Vista

PreacherTom writes "Those who expected the initial Vista release to generate a wave of hype will be sorely disappointed. While Vista is now available for companies, they do not really appear to care. The situation is the same with Office 2007. Why? Several reasons, not the least of which is expected difficulty in adaptation to the new features." From the article: "Office has an entirely new look and new formats for saving files in Word and Excel. Slick as it is, the new look will take some training to master. And the new file formats, which will be easier to use with high-end corporate programs such as those that run servers, mean users on older versions of Office will have to download a program to open documents and spreadsheets sent with the new technology. 'This thing is not going to be all that easy to roll out,' says Michael Silver, research vice-president at Gartner."

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  1. a new car! by yagu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wait, software doesn't wear out, at least not like cars do. This is where Microsoft has to re-figure the business model. Their products (OS, Office suite, etc.) are so mature people and companies actually have to rationalize moving to the new plan. In the old days migration paths often followed needs -- today most needs are fulfilled. How many thousands of fonts could one possibly want in their documents?

    It's time to think about service. It's time to think about customers. It's time to think about humility. Microsoft, other than their monopoly, no longer has a hammer to coerce the public into the new products -- though that's probably enough.

    Meanwhile, with all of this talk of a long adoption window, wouldn't this be one of the most opportune times for things Linux to gain purchase (how ironic for a free product)? As companies look at budgets and costs, couldn't Linux now get it's foot in the door? I hope so...

    (Note: from the mysterious slashdot future, how ironic -- an article about Microsoft dissing Open Source as insecure because people can look at the code! Looks like Microsoft is hard at work ensuring a glance at Linux and other Open Source software is at least uncomfortable.)

    1. Re:a new car! by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft is going to "force" the software to wear out.
      New file formats are a good way to start.
      Not selling the old software.
      OEM bundles where the OS and applications are only to be used on that one machine. Get a new computer and pay for a new OS.
      I hope that OO.org instead focuses on making the software easier, smaller, faster, and more reliable.

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    2. Re:a new car! by traabil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Meanwhile, with all of this talk of a long adoption window, wouldn't this be one of the most opportune times for things Linux to gain purchase (how ironic for a free product)? As companies look at budgets and costs, couldn't Linux now get it's foot in the door? I hope so...

      If there's no compelling event to swap a perfectly working (sic) XP for Vista, why would one consider moving to Linux? Surely, the migration cost in terms of training need would be even higher for such a move.

    3. Re:a new car! by diersing · · Score: 5, Insightful
      True. I also wonder if training is really that big a hurdle anymore. As the general public (and especially long term business users) get more tech savvy can't we expect the average user to just need a couple hours of play time to re-learn where the core functionality is? Everything the average user needs is in the ribbons of Office07, its just a matter of learning their arrangement.

      Even greater reason to push home users towards Google's Docs & Spreadsheets, but the business users everyone is concerned about aren't mindless cattle anymore. Lets give them credit. Office 2003 & 2007 can be installed in parallel, let them play with it and call it pilot testing.

    4. Re:a new car! by xmundt · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Greetings and Salutations.
                WHile the temptation to get the flamethrower out is pretty large, I am only going to say that, for a huge percentage of the American workforce, training IS a big hurdle. I spend a lot of my time getting folks introduced to new programs, and, I continually run up against the wall of "too hard to learn". I had a fellow the other day tell me that he did not want to switch from Internet Explorer to Opera because it is "too hard to learn a new browser". Right off the bat, I can't think of many other software tools with a LOWER learning curve than a browser. That, alas, is not all that unusual though. As another example, I know a company that still does all its invoicing on an antique pentium system running XENIX because it is too hard to move to more modern software. This ignores the fact that the newer software is actually EASIER to use than the ancient stuff on the XENIX box, and, is much more powerful.


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  2. If it works, don't fix it. by erbbysam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it works, don't fix it.

  3. Disappointment? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Those who expected the initial Vista release to generate a wave of hype will be sorely disappointed.

    So, what, all two of them?

  4. Re:Why should businesses care anyways? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Informative
    I mean, honestly - what does Vista do that XP doesn't? From a business standpoint, of course.


    Better centralized management tools. Improved security model. Mostly, the changes affect infrastructure management as opposed to end-user experience. Oh, yeah, the big one: 64-bit support, which is not needed for typical office applications, but is an absolute must for companies moving their CAD workstations to Windows. CATIA V5, for example, fully supports the 64-bit Vista architecture right now.
  5. Re:Only gamers will care about Vista by Whammy666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Vista may not be an asset to gamers. DX10 doesn't really add any new features to the graphics capability of a system since that is largely dependent on hardware. Developers may like the newer DX10 interface, but there are severe backward compatibility issues for users. Any game which depends on DX10 will not run on XP or W2K platforms. I can't see developers embracing DX10/Vista for fear of excluding a large portion of the gaming market.

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  6. Companies haven't upgraded from Windows 2000 yet by rickkas7 · · Score: 4, Informative
    According to AssetMetrix, as of June 2005 half of all corporate PCs were still running Windows 2000. Considering XP was released in October 2001, I don't find it at all surprising that businesses haven't jumped on installing Vista yet.

    Though with Windows 2000 in extended support phase since June of this year, there are probably a number of larger corporations that skipped Windows XP and plan to go from 2000 to Vista.

  7. Yawn by Mr_Silver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't gforget that:

    • Companies were "blah" about Windows XP
    • Companies were "blah" about Office 2003
    • Companies were "blah" about Windows 2000
    • Companies were "blah" about Office 2002
    • Companies were "blah" about Office 2000

    Companies are blah about replacements to pretty much anything that already works and already does the job well enough. Eventually they'll shift, but only when all their hardware has broken down and been replaced by stuff that can run it, the current operating system of choice is no longer supported and they have major applications that won't run in that aforementioned operating system.

    This is hardly new, they have been working this way for years and I fully expect them to be "blah" about the next version of Office and Windows as well.

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  8. Re:Why should businesses care anyways? by vertinox · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, honestly - what does Vista do that XP doesn't? From a business standpoint, of course.

    For one, you won't be able to play Halo 3 LAN games at the office without it!

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  9. The "Business Argument" by Z34107 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Vista has a lot of Business features - in fact, they probably have more biz features than consumer features.

    BitLocker is a nifty tech that encrypts the system volume, needing a USB key to boot. I wonder how many businesses with (stolen!) laptops would love to have this feature.

    Windows MeetingSpace uses the new network implementation in Vista to allow peer-to-peer detection of clients. Meaning you bring your WiFi laptop into a conference room and you're logged into MeetingSpace. The program itself lets you collaborate - you can share an open program and work on it simultaneously, or share your entire desktop, or what have you not.

    Speech Recognition is built into the OS and in my experience, actually works pretty well. I can see a lot of secretaries, typing-deficient people, bosses, etc. appreciating being able to dictate to a computer. I can also see some liability disappear as businesses "cure" carpal tunnel and other repetitive strain nonsense.

    User Account Control makes it completely possible to run as a standard user or to default to standard user privileges only even when logged into an admin account.

    Windows Service Hardening uses the same changes in the Vista kernel that allow IE7 "protected mode" and UAC to function to run each Windows service under its own user. This means that viruses and the like will be unable to mess with the file system, registry, etc. by piggybacking onto a Windows service, because the special user account the service runs under simply won't have those priviliges.

    The new Windows Driver Model and Code Integrity make the system more secure and stable. Unsigned drivers are no longer allowed to run in kernel mode. Instead, the kernel exports a set of interfaces used to program most drivers in user mode, meaning:

    • Less drivers need to be signed
    • New user mode drivers will most likely be easier to program than their kernel-mode counterparts
    • A user mode driver crash will not be able to cause a blue screen.

    There's a bunch of other stuff, too, like Windows PowerShell that system admins are going to love (although they're releasing this for Windows XP SP2, also).

    There's a lot of business features, most of them focusing on security and stability. (Vista also plays a lot nicer with Unix than XP does.) The question isn't whether there's any "business argument", but whether these features are worth the upgrade. For some businesses, they will be; for others, they won't.

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