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Homeland Security Tracks Information of Travelers

feuerfalke writes "Homeland Security recently disclosed a plan regarding an Automated Targeting System, or ATS, that would generate a 'terrorist risk rating' based on information collected about the traveler. This information would include things such as where they are from, how they paid for tickets, their motor vehicle records, past one-way travel, seating preference and the meals they ordered in-flight. These ratings have now been assigned to millions of international travelers, including Americans, and the ATS is exempt from many provisions of the Privacy Act — one cannot view their rating or the information used to generate it."

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  1. Lies my teacher told me by yourpusher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I spent a good part of my childhood just a few miles away from the lucky side of the Iron Curtain. One of the things that our teachers told us was so bad about East Germany was the fact that they "kept files on their citizens! Normal people, like you and me!"

    So what do we tell the kids, today?

    1. Re:Lies my teacher told me by SydBarrett · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just call them "freedom files".

  2. So if you're flagged ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So if you're flagged you're screwed? If "the ATS is exempt from many provisions of the Privacy Act -- one cannot view their rating or the information used to generate it", and if you get erroneously flagged, you're screwed???

    This is like the no-fly list only worse then, isn't it? An algorithm kicks out the belief that you must be a terrorist, and anytime you go anywhere it's gonna beep and you get cold hands and lube once again.

    I hope this gets shot down by a court, because way too many scary things are being passed that exempt themselves from any sort of oversight and transparency. I can envision a lot of people deciding they don't really wish to fly to the US anymore. It's impossible to do without having your privacy invaded or running the risk of ending up on some secret CIA flight or something.

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    1. Re:So if you're flagged ... by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I can envision a lot of people deciding they don't really wish to fly to the US anymore."

      Welcome to several years ago: a heck of lot of people have already decided they don't want to visit America anymore.

      I used to travel to America regularly before 9/11, but I've only been there twice since and both of those were short stops between planes when flying to and from Canada. Why go to a country that will treat me like crap at immigration, then potentially kidnap me and ship me to Cuba if some computer tells them I might be a terrist?

    2. Re:So if you're flagged ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Welcome to several years ago: a heck of lot of people have already decided they don't want to visit America anymore.

      Well, it's definitely building over time, there's no denying that.

      I used to travel to America regularly before 9/11, but I've only been there twice since and both of those were short stops between planes when flying to and from Canada.

      But, even that is getting kind of scary. I seem to recall that some time last year, Gonzales issued a legal opinion that says that they can arrest and detain anyone they see fit, and short of torture (which they defined in terms or organ failure and death) they could do anything they wanted to you.

      It sounds very much like just taking a connecting flight through the US could allow you to end up in custody, declared as an illegal combatant, and locked away. I just simply don't trust people who grant themselves that much power and remove all transparency. I realize it's unlikely, it's just eerie to know they believe that they can do anything they want. Especially if other countries did the same, the US would freak out that their citizens can't go around unfettered.

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    3. Re:So if you're flagged ... by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry. The CIA can arrest you in your own country and send you to Cuba. You don't have to visit the US for that.

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  3. Since we all know that you MUST be a terrorist if: by Avillia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *You took a one-way trip to assist in disaster aid in New Orleans or Thailand in the last two years, not knowing when you would be comfortable with/forced to leave the area.
    *You enjoy food from the Middle East (they probably have a Middle-Eastern mid-flight meal SOMEWHERE) after trying some at a small suburban restaraunt near your Pakistani coworker.
    *You paid in cash, since you recently went bankrupt and are moving somewhere that has a lower cost of living.
    *You refused to show your ID in the airport a few months ago because you packed your wallet in your checked bag by accident (Happened to me, it's tons of fun).
    *You checked out a book on Islamic extremism for your Current Issues class, for a Debate on the issue, or other such academia.

    It's good to know our previous Congress was too busy pissing themselves post-911 to have a clear enough mind to see how freaking WRONG the Patriot Act was, and then kept being embarassed by the stain enough to extend it's duration.

  4. Re:Sounds like.... by value_added · · Score: 4, Funny

    My guess is that it's more like the Slashdot moderation system. Mod +5 Safe or -1 Looks Like ann Arab to Me. Either way, I expect the courts will, at some point in the future, get their chance to meta moderate.

  5. Re:It's True by Chaffar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It just means that if you're an 18-25 year old male from any country that ends with -stan and you ordered your meal to be halal then you're flagged as potential terrorist. It's as simple as that.

  6. Where to begin? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not a national security program:
    >Government officials could not say whether ATS has apprehended any terrorists.

    It can't work because of the base rate fallacy. At any false alarm rate known to man, the output will be statistically indistiguishable from 100% false alarms.

    All these problems are aggravated by the fact that they won't correct errors:
    >Nor can they see the records "for the purpose of contesting the content."

    It's not to keep airplanes safe, it's a general control tool:
    >ATS data about an individual may be shared with state, local and foreign governments for use in hiring decisions and in granting licenses, security clearances, contracts or other benefits.

  7. Instant Translation by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dave's instant translation from government-speak to English:

    ...'terrorist risk rating'...

    Random number generator.

    ...where they are from,

    If you're from California or one of those other blue states, you must be a terrorist.

    how they paid for tickets

    That child with the world's largest piggy bank is soooo gonna get it.

    their motor vehicle records

    Anybody who has ever driven to Florida is a suspect.

    past one-way travel

    This person seems to have a history of committing terrorist acts against aircraft.

    seating preference

    Only terrorists can't afford first class.

    The meals they ordered in-flight

    Halal is fine, but those vegetarians... man, you've gotta watch out for them. And the vegans... those are the worst.

    These ratings have now been assigned to millions of international travelers, including Americans, and the ATS is exempt from many provisions of the Privacy Act -- one cannot view their rating or the information used to generate it."

    All your base are belong to U.S.

    This concludes this translation session.

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  8. they probably do this for domestic travels as well by blindd0t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not saying this out of paranoia - I'm saying this from personal experiences. I took a trip about a year ago to attend my brother's wedding. As luck would have it, my birthday had passed while I was at my travel destination, and with all the wedding and family stuff going on, I failed to realize that my drivers license had expired while I was at my travel destination. When I went to go on my return flight, I was flagged for "special" scanning/treatment, and I've been "randomly selected" to be frisked every time I travel after that as well. They can look through my bags all they want, but I must admit I seriously dislike (though I tolerate it to avoid conflict with the TSA) being frisked like that by some stranger every time I travel.

    I'm certain some good jokes will follow this, but at least learn from my mistake: make sure your drivers license (even though is technically valid 30 days after expiration) does not expire in the midst of your travels!

  9. Re:Not trolling but.. by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the US? By number of attacks, white Christians males are responsible for the vast majority of terrorist attacks. White Christian females come in number 2. Everyone else is a distant 3rd. In yearly deathrate its the same two, but with a blip in 2001.

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  10. Re:Wasn't this talked about at LEAST 2 years ago? by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wasn't this talked about at LEAST 2 years ago?

    Hell, about four years ago, I was flagged for a super-duper security check at the Denver airport because I was flying on a last-minute one-way flight (bought with a debit card!) as I rushed in to put out a fire at a hosting operation. So there's me, looking more than a little bedraggled, with nothing but the clothes on my back and a laptop bag stuffed with some mysterious-looking replacement parts. The very nice, but very thorough inspectors told me that I should completely expect every flight I take for the following several years to end up going exactly the same way, because the profiling has some real inertia to it. They were correct, as I've gotten the (polite/thorough) treatment every time since, even when traveling on more conventionally purchased tickets. Maybe it's my warm, fuzzy personality.

    Not really. It's behavioral profiling - a lot more effective than skin-based profiling. Something that doesn't seem to get the coverage it's supposed to in recent flaps like the imam-fest the other day. (hint: loudly uttering "allah" and dispersing your group of six guys in pairs to the wrong parts of the airplane rather invites a look at your behavior). I may have the imam hair, and perhaps my shoes COULD explode after standing in them for 48 hours straight in front of a rack of servers, but I don't tend to send a lot of those other signals. On the other hand, I've met some very nice TSA people - they keep the best ones on the sidelines for the personal inspections, it seems.

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  11. Re:Sounds like.... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nah... Remember that the Homeland Security is a front for corporate interests. Marketing departments will pay good money to know what Joe Blow was doing if he wasn't blowing up the plane.

  12. How can anyone think profiling works? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First there's the games theory problem. Stop everyone from Saudi Arabia from boarding airplanes, and the killers will put locally recruited types like John Walker Lindh onto airplanes.

    Second, nobody has a monopoly on killing innocent people. From Salon's Patrick Smith, via Bruce Schneier's blog:

            * In 1985, Air India Flight 182 was blown up over the Atlantic by:

                a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
                b. Bill O'Reilly
                c. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir
                d. Indian Sikh extremists, in retaliation for the Indian Army's attack on the Golden Temple shrine in Amritsar

            * In 1986, who attempted to smuggle three pounds of explosives onto an El Al jetliner bound from London to Tel Aviv?

                a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
                b. Michael Smerconish
                c. Bob Mould
                d. A pregnant Irishwoman named Anne Murphy

            * In 1962, in the first-ever successful sabotage of a commercial jet, a Continental Airlines 707 was blown up with dynamite over Missouri by:

                a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
                b. Ann Coulter
                c. Henry Rollins
                d. Thomas Doty, a 34-year-old American passenger, as part of an insurance scam

            * In 1994, who nearly succeeding in skyjacking a DC-10 and crashing it into the Federal Express Corp. headquarters?

                a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
                b. Michelle Malkin
                c. Charlie Rose
                d. Auburn Calloway, an off-duty FedEx employee and resident of Memphis, Tenn.

            * In 1974, who stormed a Delta Air Lines DC-9 at Baltimore-Washington Airport, intending to crash it into the White House, and shot both pilots?

                a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
                b. Joe Scarborough
                c. Spalding Gray
                d. Samuel Byck, an unemployed tire salesman from Philadelphia

    1. Re:How can anyone think profiling works? by drkich · · Score: 4, Informative

      * In 1986, who attempted to smuggle three pounds of explosives onto an El Al jetliner bound from London to Tel Aviv?

                              a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
                              b. Michael Smerconish
                              c. Bob Mould
                              d. A pregnant Irishwoman named Anne Murphy

      The answer is A. She is an Irishwoman best known as the former girlfriend of the Jordanian terrorist Nezar Hindawi. While she was pregnant with his child, Hindawi convinced her to unknowingly take an explosives-laden bag on board an El Al flight. Nezar was born in 1954 and when this was committed, 1986, he was 32 years old.

      I agree, there are other people that want to kill people, just get the facts straight.

    2. Re:How can anyone think profiling works? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are awesome.

      In addition to the air sabotage you mentioned, one of the most feared terrorist organizations in the eighties and nineties was the IRA. True, they weren't feared much by us because they didn't strike at us, but neither did the PLO.

      Of those that did strike at us, we probably had the most fear about very loosely connected "patriots" in our country that belonged to groups that often called themselves "militias". Of these groups and, others vaguely related, various law enforcement agencies often confiscated positively scary quantities of guns and ammo. These groups largely peaked around the time of the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City, which Timothy McVeigh stated was done because of his sympathy, if not actual participation, with these groups.

      I think Timmy, the members of the various "militias" and the members of the IRA would be very unlikely to be swept up in the "Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40" category. In fact, plain ol' white folk in our country have a surprisingly high propensity to get caught up in emotional issues that then lead to them feeling they need to destroy something. The KKK, for example, has largely stuck to acts of terror on individuals, but has not been against firebombing a school building or such here and there. Anti-abortion activists have found both non-lethal and murderous ways to terrorize abortion clinics and doctors.
      Once again, these haven't been on planes, but does it make them any less lethal or scary? Does that fact that these things were done by largely white Westerners mean it's not actual terror? Maybe it's just that since we understand (note: understanding does notj equal agreement) many of the reasons behind these acts, they don't instill the same sense of terror in us as mostly nameless, faceless terrorist fighting for something or other in the Middle East.
      People need to remember to ask themselves what might be coming from their right if they place all their attention on their left. We need to look both ways when crossing this street. Terrorists are all over the place. If you check every guy with brown skin and a beard, you're likely to find out the hard way that your very white, nice, clean cut neighbor is the one that's really upset about [insert cause here] and thinks a few hundred people need to die to show the world just how mad he really is.

      If you want a war on Islamic Fundimentalists, then at least have the balls to say it. If you want a "war on terror", then my friend, terror starts at home.

      TW