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UK Lab Traces Polonium To Russian Nuclear Plant

reporter writes "British authorities had identified polonium 210 to be the radioactive poison that killed Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian spy who defected to Great Britain. Now, according to a disturbing report, the authorities have identified the source of the poison to be Russia. Bloomberg ominously reports, 'Scientists at the U.K.'s Atomic Weapons Establishment in Aldermaston, west of London, have traced the polonium 210 found in London to a nuclear power plant in Russia, the capital's Evening Standard newspaper reported today. Officials at the establishment didn't return calls.' A cold chill just fell on relations between Russia and the West." In another twist to this developing story, the shadowy Italian security consultant who dined with Litvinenko has also fallen ill with radiation poisoning.

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  1. Where is the reactor? by interiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article doesn't say... Do they know if it came from a reactor near Moscow, or if it came from a reactor on the periphery of Russia? That is, does Russia have plausible deniability by saying that rogue agents unattached to the central government did it? Or is it clear that the assassination was ordered by the higher-ups in the Russian government?

    1. Re:Where is the reactor? by WarlockD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A more disturbing question however is what are we going to do about it? Even if we did trace it to the reactor to Russia, what do we do? Europe is stuck by being reliant on Russia for their gas supplies. US has more issues with Iraq and Iran to worry about it. Not to mention being a veto power in the security consol, where do you think demands of an investigation are going to lead to?

      Russia could just come out and say they killed the guy, but with the power they pushed on the Ukraine on energy supplies, the Russians have much more leverage.

    2. Re:Where is the reactor? by westlake · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Its still not clear that it was an assassination.
      We still don't know just how much of this polonium is around our normal lives to be worried about the scaremongering.

      Good lord.

      When was the last time you heard of an accidental death traced to ingested Polonium?

      When was the last time you heard of any death caused by radioactive poisoning that couldn't be immediately traced to an industrial accident or something of that sort?

      It's pure coincidence of course when Russian made Polonium kills a Russian dissident living in exile in Britain.

  2. Re:A cold chill in relations? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As a major supplier of European natural gas, we could be sitting freezing in our homes within a week or two if Russia turned off the taps.

    Build more atomic power stations and invest in reprocessing technologies and you won't have to worry about the Russians. You're still using MAGNOX reactors from the 60s since the NIMBY (not in my backyard) crowd has blocked building of new ones.

    -b.

  3. Bad for nuclear energy by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *note* I feel sorry for the families for their loss, this post is not ment to sound as thouhg I mean otherwise.

    This is a terrible event for nuclear energy. Directly connecting murder to radiation poisoning to only-in-nuclear-plants-production is devistating for public opinion. It won't matter that radiation generated by polonium can't even pentrate paper, let alone paper; that it is lethal (if ingested or inhaled) is what will stick in people's mind. Worse yet, news reports other people unrelated to the victims showing signs of minor levels; one analyst called it the 'equivalent of a dirty bomb' which is ludicrous but it'll still going to stick in the public's mind just as we really need to start developing new nuclear plants and technology.

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  4. It doesn't much matter.... by Marnhinn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone that spent several years recently (2001 - 2004) in Russia, the location of the reactor doesn't much matter. The government in Moscow is just as corrupt as anywhere else (we bribed low level officials all the time for registration [simply put - people aren't paid enough and often turn to outside sources of income]).

    I don't think any higher up (in organized government) would be dumb enough to order a hit this sloppy. The FSB, underfunded and undermanned as they are, is still very professional. They (the FSB) would have known that the radioactive elements would be traced. Personally, I'd bet this was done by some elements of government that are mafia (very common and they can afford to be sloppy since they are much harder to track). The dead guy had a long history of making enemies...

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  5. Re:Could Putin ever be so stupid? by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because they WANTED to get caught. Litvinenko was a critic of Russia who had fled because he didn't want to "disappear." There are others like him. The best way to get them to shut up is to kill one where he thinks he is safe, and let everyone figure out exactly how you did it. The whole incident will get blamed on a mid-level military officer, but the message it sent is clear.

  6. Re:Could Putin ever be so stupid? by hairykrishna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A low dose of an alpha emitter would be a perfect untracable poison. There would be no acute radiation posioning systoms - it would just screw up his bone marrow and kill him via infection. It would be VERY hard to detect the polonium. It is possible they screwed up the dosage.

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  7. Re:More like... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The neocons prematurely declared victory when the soviets imploded from within with their socialist disaster.

    Nah, the Cold War "victory" was of the same type as the "victory" over Germany after WW 1. The Allies beat the Germans, but they left an impoverished, dispirited people who were educated and in possession of fairly advanced technology. The time was ripe for a charismatic leader to come in with promises of wealth and victory and rebuild their war machine. Same goes for Russia ca. 2006.

    -b.

  8. Re:A cold chill in relations? by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with you. Nobody's going to give Russia an ultimatum unless they do something *really bad, like for example unauthorized copying of people's intellectual property.

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  9. Re:More like... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Still, the whole "Putin did it because he's bad" line of reasoning

    I'm not convinced that Putin did it. In fact, we're unlikely to know for certain *who* did it. Ever. The guy made a lot of enemies, and there are also a lot of people who'd be glad to sacrifice one ex-spy to make Putin look like a villain.

    -b.

  10. Re:Gah! Not more on the Polonium! by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Foreign government secret services kills man. film at 10. Seriously why is it a big deal"

    He was a British citizen, or at least was granted asylum.

    I know that Bush has played into the whole Gen-X apathy towards politics and history, but you have to understand that poisoning another country's citizen is called "an act of war". Really.

  11. Re:UK lab declines to name specific nuclear plant. by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, I'm Russian and I live in Russia.

    You see, Litvinenko, Politkovskaya (and his friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Berezovsky) are not real threats to Putin. They are considered 'political corpses' since about 2002. Most people under no circumstances will support either of them.

    But these guys are token 'democracy fighters' for most Westerns who do not know intricacies of Russian politics. Now ask yourself: why would Putin kill them?

    So it's much more complex than you think.

  12. Re:More like... by rednip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Still, the whole "Putin did it because he's bad" line of reasoning

    I'm not convinced that Putin did it. In fact, we're unlikely to know for certain *who* did it. Ever. The guy made a lot of enemies, and there are also a lot of people who'd be glad to sacrifice one ex-spy to make Putin look like a villain.

    -b.

    The guy made a lot of enemies, and there are also a lot of people who'd be glad to sacrifice one ex-spy to make Putin look like a villain.
    That comment is strait from the 'official talking points' from the state supported media. It would seem that the 'anti-Putin' faction seems to be particularly blood thirsty, as they are killing of numerous reporters, and other dissidents. They really need to get that plot to Hollywood as it might make a good thriller. While the tin-hat folk would disagree, I cannot recall one proven historical event where people were 'sacrificed' for a cause in such a way. Sure a few times accidents and random crimes have been 'spun' for political affect (like the Maine in Cuba), but killing off people who agree with you is not a conventional nor logical tactic.

    Hell, the state-corrupted media has even gone as far as suggesting that the former spy killed himself, perhaps with the polonium 210 pack all spies carry.

    The fact is that killing dissidents is old Soviet SOP, the fact that it is making a come back with an old KGB guy at the helm is no real surprise. In my mind the only real question is 'does Putin know or is it being done without his knowledge by those who benefit from his coattails?'. Frankly, I suspect the latter, but only because I don't really want to piss him off, because every one knows what happens to his critics.

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  13. Re:More like... by rednip · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What the state-controlled media is suggesting is that 'some unknown persons killed a leading voice of dissent by an exotic poison in an effort to create negative press for a political leader they all oppose'.

    It is so common among that Japanese they actually have a title for those they do it to. Kamikaze. Terrorists were sacrificed in a similar manner if you believe the official 911.. These are not comparative examples, first of all movements sacrifice foot soldiers, or innocents not leaders and primary voices of opposition. Second both of your examples are of the 'we'll kill until you surrender' type, and not an orchestrated media ploy.

    There are some who say that Bush (or the Jews) plotted 9/11, but there are also some who still believe OJ is innocent, that aliens do anal probes, and that a Nigerian will make them rich. P. T. Barnum never did say "There's a Sucker Born Every Minute", but whoever did gave a fair estimation of the availability of gullible people.

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