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Corporate America Not Ready For Vista

thefickler writes to point out a TechBlorge article about a study indicating how few corporate computers now deployed are capable of running Windows Vista. The article says that the study, by Softchoice, will be released next week. The study found that 50% of the PCs inventoried (from a sample of 112,000 from 472 organizations) are below Vista's basic system requirements. Roughly half of those PCs will need to be replaced outright to run Vista. 94% of corporate PCs are not ready for Vista Premium Edition. The article notes that the need to upgrade hardware "could... mean that organizations will hold off upgrading to Windows Vista until their next hardware refresh," as some analysts have been saying for a while now.

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  1. Not ready for IE7 either by eples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Corporations aren't ready for IE7, either.

    This stuff takes time. Let's do IE7 first, Microsoft. Then push Vista down our throats.

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    1. Re:Not ready for IE7 either by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should they wait? Let them push their products and wait for their revenues if they wish?

      Lacking Vista sales is their problem, not ours.

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  2. Vista is the new ME by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "article about a study indicating how few corporate computers now deployed are capable of running Windows Vista"

    That's exactly the point. They want businesses to toss away the old computers and buy new ones with Vista. The know that if they try and release Vista into the public market first, it will flop as badly as ME did because it brings no significant improvements over XP, while it takes away features, and adds bad things like PVP DRM.

  3. Corporate America Not Ready For Vista by Bradac_55 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How's that different from Win2K and WinXP? Same thing happened then. Microsoft's monopoly isn't on good software it's there ability to tie up all the major hardware vendors into all or nothing licenses to push Windows on new computer sales. It must be another slow news day.

  4. Re:Their main market? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows is not switching targets. Corporations are trying to get by with the low end systems like Celeron , 256 - 512 ram, and gma And that was good for the 4-5 year old xp but not for the new and bloated windows vista.

    Also M$ needs some thing to stand up to OSX.

  5. Re:Their main market? by igb · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The computer industry needs to face up to the fact that computers are now `good enough'. For most current desktop purposes --- email, word processing of small documents, web browsing, running corporate applications (usually client/server) and so on, a 2006-spec PC will do the job. There's not been a compelling feature in desktop Windows since NT 5 --- witness the reluctance for Windows 2000 shops to move to XP --- nor in Office since 2000. Except for providing toys for your younger employees to play with (a dubious benefit), why would any shop with >1GHz machines running NT>=5 and office >=2000 want to upgrade? How would you show the cost/benefit?

    ian

  6. J. Random CIO's thoughts: by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) My users are finally getting comfortable with XP.

    2) My staff doesn't need the hassles of a mixed environment right now.

    3) I'm not seeing what Vista will actually *do* for me over XP.

    4) I don't the the budget headroom for an off-cycle hardware overhaul.

    5) I'm unwilling to perform the carnal acts necessary to get that extra funding.

    6) I'm not deploying another MS OS before the first service pack.

  7. Re:From the Captain Obvious department by aj50 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is exactly the point the article is missing.

    Vista needs to be out now, so that next time people roll round to a hardware refresh, Vista is available.

    Why do people seem to think that this is dumb?

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  8. Re:Their main market? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cost/benefit of upgrading could be better warranty, better vendor support, both of which may mean lower support costs. Support costs are big factors in what gets chosen. How about less power use by the newest generation of CPUs and hard drives, when a company has 1000's of Desktops that power bill is a factor. Also products reach End-Of-Life where they are no longer supported by the vendor. Those would be my Top 3 reasons to upgrade.

    I too don't see a lot of Apps (except Windows bloatware) forcing upgrades. Which I hope is good news for Linux on the Corporate Desktop. With GNOME and other GUIs, OpenOffice and various other open source "office" applications you can have the same functions as a Windows PC but need a lot less CPU and Memory. And the cost to "license" Linux and the apps is a heck of a lot lower than MS products not to mention the GPL (and CDL) and not nearly as bad as the MS shrinkware licenses.

  9. Good news! by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I think the Vista requirements are insane for business machines. They are pretty stupid even for gaming machines. I have no idea how they are going to build Vista-ready laptops that actually get some hours of battery life. There is no need for these specs, except that MS needs to give users a ''new experience'' by any means necessary, since theri business model is fundamentally flawed.

    What MS forgets, or has to ignore, is that a PC is a tool. A tool schould behave the same over a long time. You don't want a new ''experience'' every few years. You want to mater the tool once and then keep using it for a very long time. Hence you want it to work the same over a very long time.

    This will prompt more people to look for alternatives to MSes greed and insanity.

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  10. Re:Their main market? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..and the workplace is really Windows' main market. I'm willing to guess that at least half their profits come from corporations. The question is, why do they seem to be switching targets?

    Their market isn't the workplace, it's PCs everywhere. That market is saturated with Windows, and their product will continue to go onto newly built PCs until and unless something that makes a suitable replacement comes along.

    That means they don't need to build new stuff for the user. They will get their money anyways. They're going to keep getting paid for Windows licenses as long as Windows remains the dominant platform with no more functionality than they have now.

    What they ARE doing is selling their users out to media companies. They are getting paid by those companies to put support for powerful DRM on every computer around the planet so there will exist a market for DRM media. They are getting paid for this as added revenue on top of the "Windows and Office" tax.

    They believe that they can get paid by third parties to design Windows so it will intentionally fuck over the people who use it and we will still buy it same as always.

    Chances are, they are right.

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  11. Re:Their main market? by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You must have worked for a very strange company. From what I can see, the developers normally get big muscular machines (by then current standards) so they can do their work faster. Then, they design programs and systems that only work acceptably on their machines, not on those the target audience is expected to have.

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  12. Re:Power Use? by twitter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Faster CPUs these days are comsuming LESS Power, Memory is consuming less but not as much so as CPUs, Hard Drives are smaller and use less energy (smaller = less mass = less energy to get to speed) ...

    This has always been the case, but power requirements for Microsoft systems have climbed from 150 to 500 watts over the last fifteen years. Most of it has been driven by Microsoft bloat, which has delivered the same features at ever greater clock cycle cost. I'm writing this on a PII laptop. Debian Etch runs well on it but XP won't even install. At the same time, I doubt you can show me a Vista ready laptop that uses less than 50 watts as this one does.

    The most important thing missing from your list is GPUs which can consume up to 350 watts on their own. If you are going to Vista, you are doing it for games and eye candy and want a super card. Vista computers are going to suck power, as the usual M$ upgrade does.

    Outside the M$ world, people are doing more with less. Playstation manages to provide outstanding graphics while Xbox is setting carpets on fire.

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