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What Gamers Need To Know About Buying an HD TV

The excellent games coverage at the San Jose Mercury News site offers up a gamers buying guide for HD TVs. Dean Takahashi discusses the basics every HD purchaser should know, some technical issues with recent plasma and LCD advances in mind, and addresses the specific problems that gamers will face with their new purchases. From the article: "If you accidentally set your PS 3 for 1080p resolution, when the TV can only support 720p, you get a black screen. The Westinghouse TV I used displayed a message that said 'invalid format.' To reset the PS3 to the standard AV format, you shut the PS3 off. Then you hold the PS3's power button down for about 10 seconds. It will reset to standard video. If you have the Nintendo Wii, you won't have to upgrade your standard/enhanced definition TV as the Wii's best resolution is 480p. It's thankfully simple, but you get a sixth of the pixels on screen as you do with a full HDTV with a PS3."

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  1. No mention of HDTV lag by Galaga88 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article totally neglects to mention any of the issues with HDTV lag. From my understanding, it occurs when the TV has to convert a signal to its native resolution, resulting in a several millisecond delay.

    This can be frustrating in action or rhythm games (Which is why Guitar Hero 2 has an option to compensate for it). I don't have an HDTV, so I'm not sure how bad it is but some google-fu should find plenty more on the subject.

    1. Re:No mention of HDTV lag by Beefysworld · · Score: 2, Informative

      I recently picked up an LG 60" Plasma HDTV. Hooked up my PS2 via component and everything seemed to be fine. However, when I did start playing Guitar Hero II (including setting it to widescreen and enabling progressive scan), on hard / expert I was really out of time. Kept missing a lot of the notes, even they should have registered.

      After running through the lag calibration thing, my screen was apparently about 30ms out of whack. In normal games, this wouldn't really make that much of a difference, but in a fast moving rhythm game, it makes a big difference. You can try compensate and play notes a little earlier, but it's still not the same. Congrats to Red Octane / Harmonix for adding in the lag calibration tool..

  2. Westinghouse LVM-42W2 is great by Johnso · · Score: 5, Informative

    After researching dozens of websites, a dozen stores, and going back and forth between different models, I finally bought an LCD HDTV last month. I decided on the LVM-42W2 from Westinghouse. It has 1080p resolution, tons of inputs (including two DVIs and HDMI for hooking up your laptop) and works flawlessly. I couldn't be happier with the picture and it's by far the best price for a 40"+ 1080p screen.

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    1. Re:Westinghouse LVM-42W2 is great by bockelboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Can I hear an "Amen" to that.

      Our office bought the LVM-42W2 for video conferencing over the summer. Since then, 4 of us have bought the exact same model. It's got tons of inputs (all the various analog ones, 1 VGA, 2 DVI, 1 HDMI). It can do 1080p. It is cheap - finding it for $1500 is not hard, I think. I haven't run into any quirks.

      The difference between the Westinghouse and the $3000 Samsung is that the Samsung has lots of nice filters on it, whereas the Westinghouse only has the standard brightness/contrast/etc. Three points:
      1) Your 1080p/1080i source doesn't need any expensive upconverting filter technologies.
      2) You'll want a nicer up-converting image for DVD sources. This can be remedied by buying a nice $100 DVD player which does the up-conversion, instead of having the TV do it.
      3) Unless you have lots of nice TVs at home already, you won't be able to tell the difference between the Westinghouse and a $3000 set once you get it in your living room. The only way to see that the $3000 set has a marginally better picture is to put them next to each other.
      So, the extra $1500 in cost goes away once you take the set home, and in the worst case can be remedied by buying a nice DVD player (cost: $100).

      I friggin' love my TV and, at $1500, my wife even let my buy it.

    2. Re:Westinghouse LVM-42W2 is great by rapett0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not that I can add too much to what the parent said, but I agree. I have had mine now I am guessing 4-6 months and I love it. I have seen it around for even cheaper then what I gave (which was 1700), like around 1500 (US). To be honest, I can not think of any thing bad about this TV so far. Great picture, and um, great picture. I guess I should make a note that it is a monitor, so no built in tuner for HDTV (not that really bothers me), and the remote is *weak*. But otherwise, I love it actually have since recommended it to several other people. I never even watch TV on it as I am too busy with XBOX 360 in 1080 *p*. (Thought to be honest, I did not really notice any difference in 1080i vs p).

  3. Anything but plasma by The-Bus · · Score: 1, Informative

    As the article off-handedly suggests, plasma still has some burn-in issues. If you play a lot of FPS games, you suddenly might see a movie one day and notice items from your HUD as ghostly images still appearing on the screen. Some newer plasma TVs have "burn-in reduction" or "protection" but it's not very good. Basically, what the TV does is burn every single element/pixel on the screen. Now the entire image is less bright. You won't see a difference but if you ever plug in another TV next to yours, you might notice how much it has faded.

    From what I understand, if your source is 1080P (a PS3, an Xbox 360 playing 1080P WMV content, an HD DVD player) and your display is 1080i, the image still retains all its details and it looks exactly as it would on a 1080P set. If your display is 720P, it won't display all that information and downconvert it. For PC geeks, it's pretty easy to figure out. With full HD being 1920 x 1080 pixels, a 1080P set is like a PC running on a massively powerful graphics card. A 720P set has a slightly smaller resolution, and a 1080i set has two graphics cards that are half the power of the 1080P one. Honestly, on any TV in the sub-$2000 category, it's going to be extremely difficult to tell the difference.

    If you're in the market, my suggestion is to go cheap as whatever is over $2000 nowadays is going to be half that price in a year or so. For the money, a properly configured rear-projection CRT HDTV is still going to give you the best display as it can deliver real blacks: i.e., no light and the nice bright whites of an LCD -- and at half the price of a comparable LCD/DLP/Plasma set. But of course, CRT HDTVs aren't flat so you don't look like that rapper on TV, so many people don't consider them. Their loss.

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  4. Re:DLP by Darkfred · · Score: 2, Informative

    I use a mitsubishi 54" DLP for gaming and there is absolutely no lag. This is true for every input, device, and game system I have tried with it. In some of the first generation TVs you had change the settings for the inputs that required lagless operation, but this hasn't been a problem in any modern HDTV that I have seen. And by modern I mean the last 3 years.
    Don't let fud like this scare you out of getting a great looking and much cheaper DLP screen. If it has lag, which is very unlikely then take it back and get a different model.

    Regards.

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  5. Re:Stores don't help. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Informative
    At another one, everyone was crowded around the one "good looking" TV, because it was the only one displaying an HD image. All the other TVs had been tuned to an analog channel, and looked like crap by comparison.

    I ran into this very same dilemma (Future Shop in Canada, akin to Best Buy - and I believe owned by them). Here' s what I did - I took a Powerbook to the store with a DVD in it, along with the various video cables.

    I knew that any HDTV I bought would have to hook up thru at least VGA and preferably DVI (the right DVI, not 'analog' DVI - still shake my head at that), and I also knew that their in-store video system would not show me a damn thing other than how crappy their distribution amplifier is.

    Most sales drones won't throw a fit when you say you want to hook up the laptop, and you have a consistent source reference that is better for direct comparisons. Only problem with this is, you can't do side-by-side, but its still a lot better than the alternative.

    If I were to offer advice, having just bought the Samsung model mentioned in the article (LCD) for exactly this primary purpose (gaming), here's what I would say:

    make damn sure there isn't a sync issue
    1080p is nice but hardly necessary; that rez is basically science fiction (content wise) for the next 4 years
    viewing angle is key
    make sure your inputs don't screw you; DVI is great, VGA is great, HDMI is nice in theory but a little ahead of the curve (mine has 2 HDMI and 1 component. Of course everything I have right now wants to talk component)
    forget the speakers, they make no difference
    the signal processor quality in the unit (upconverting, noise reduction) is VERY important. Samsung's DNIe is pretty impressive in this regard

    If you are buying a flatscreen just for a Wii - and only that - you could go for a much cheaper EDTV. Its only 480p but thats all you're ever going to get out of the Nintendo anyhow. Probably make a nice bedroom wall tv later on. I wouldn't buy a 1080p TV right now unless the money really meant nothing to me. 720p basically IS 'HD' for the foreseeable future (for a lot of reasons).

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  6. Re:Monitor, not TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Three options as far as external tuners are concerned:

    1. Set top box
    Provided by your cable or sattelite tv provider, decodes HD and SD signals.
    Pros: Very easy to hook up, available with DVR, can be "free" if you sign a contract
    Cons: takes up space and adds another component to your system (although most come with a [simple] programmable remote)

    2. Cablecard
    Provided by some (not all) cable and sattelite tv providers, decodes HD and SD signals
    Pros: fits inside your HD tv, you can use your TV remote to change channels, can be "free" if you sign a contract
    Cons: you need a TV that has a cablecard slot, no DVR, not available from all signal providers

    3. External HDTV tuner
    Available at many electronics stores, decodes over-the-air (local) HD signals, might do SD signals, too.
    Pros: No need to pay a provider for HD content
    Cons: Limited HD selection (local channels only), adds component to your setup, probably requries antenna, costs around $150 to $200

    If your parents watch a lot of television, option 1 is probably their best bet. The remote for my primitive digital cable box can be programmed to turn on the TV at the same as the decoder, so there's no need for multiple remotes.