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Richest 2% Own Half the World's Wealth

kop writes "The richest 2% of adults in the world own more than half of all household wealth, according to a new study by a United Nations research institute. Most previous studies of economic disparity have looked at income, whereas this one looks at wealth — assets minus debts. The survey is based on data for the year 2000. Many figures, especially for developing countries, have had to be estimated. Nonetheless, the authors say it is the most comprehensive study of personal wealth ever undertaken." The study itself is available from the World Institute for Development Economics Research.

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  1. Not just true for humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at the duck world. Scrooge McDuck had enough money that he could swim in it!

    1. Re:Not just true for humans by Lord+Prox · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not Quite. Here for more
      The top 1% pay about 30% of all taxes
      The top 5% pay about 50% of all taxes
      and the top 50% pay about 98% of all taxes
      Tax breaks for the rich?! DUH only the rich can get 'em cause the botom 50% is getting the money.

    2. Re:Not just true for humans by CmdrGravy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The reason the cost of living is far less in 3rd World countries is because they don't pay for the same facilities which you pay for in the 1st World. Things like free healthcare, honest impartial police forces, standards agencies, road construction, rubbish collection, planning laws, pensions, sick pay and maternity leave, social security etc etc etc.

      I imagine if they had the money to afford those things then 3rd World taxes would be comparable to 1st World taxes but they don't because for a variety reasons they are much poorer.

      There's nothing really stopping you going to live in the Congo or somewhere similar where you can spend your money on what you like. I bet you'd still spend a fair proportion of it on drainage, sewage treatment, security etc.

    3. Re:Not just true for humans by Bootvis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is odd:
      0.001 euro's and you get: You're in the TOP 68.98% richest people in the world!
      Now try 0 euro and the result is: You're in the TOP 68.98% richest people in the world!
      Amazing 31.02% procent of the world population has an income of less than nothing!
      It's the same for negative numbers.

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    4. Re:Not just true for humans by suggsjc · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ...the cost of living in the US...
      As opposed to the cost of not dying that most of the people in third world countries are struggling to make...
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  2. Pareto Distribution by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    An Italian by the name of Vilfredo Pareto once made the statement that 20% of the population will always own 80% of the wealth (also known as the 80/20 rule of thumb). From a site on him:
    In the Cours, his main economic contributions was his exposition of "Pareto's Law" of income distribution. He argued that in all countries and times, the distribution of income and wealth follows a regular logarithmic pattern that can be captured by the formula:

    log N = log A + m log x

    where where N is the number of income earners who receive incomes higher than x, and A and m are constants. Over the years, Pareto's Law has proved remarkably resilient in empirical studies.
    It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's only a bad thing when you need money in order to make money which is often the case. This translates to the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer. If you make sure that those with money don't influence the market so they make more money than Pareto law is actually good for the economy in my opinion
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    1. Re:Pareto Distribution by RevMike · · Score: 5, Insightful
      As you say, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. That is system unsustainable, and will eventually collapse.

      It isn't quite that simple. It depends on whether you measure wealth in some sort of absolute or relative terms.

      The gap between rich and poor may indeed be widening, but the poor are becoming wealthier as well. In absolute terms, therefore, the rich are getting richer, but the poor are getting richer as well. This can be measured in lots of ways. Life expectancy and infant mortality are usually pretty good indicators. India and China alone account for roughly 2 billion people who were barely scraping out an existence two generations ago, but who now have a much higher degree of food security, have access to a much higher level of health care, access to technology (i.e. the cell phone is rapidly becoming ubiquitous, even in rural areas).

      For the system to be clearly unsustainable, one would need to believe that people would undermine a system that is delivering them a rising standard of living. It would seem unlikely that they would do so in any sort of broad, universal way.

    2. Re:Pareto Distribution by montyzooooma · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In general the places with starving kids aren't attracting the interest of the mega-rich so how can you blame them? In fact when Western companies bring employment to poorer countries it's looked on as exploitation or off-shoring and they get dog's abuse anyway.

    3. Re:Pareto Distribution by LaughingCoder · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I don't understand what you mean by "the poor get richer" when they may get raises, but the cost of living goes up faster than their pay.
      What he means is their standard of living goes up. It is not uncommon to see "poor" people in the US with cell phones, for example. A decade ago only the very wealthy had cell phones. Ditto for things like personal computers, internet access, MP3 players, and more advanced healthcare [OK, in anticipation of an argument on this one ... initially the latest drugs are very expensive, until the patents expire at which time generics become available to the "unwashed masses". The high initial prices are what fund the development of the new, expensive, but soon to be affordable, drugs of the future]. The standard of living for the poor in America is dramatically higher than it was 100 years ago - in this sense they are wealthier.

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  3. Rich People Have all the Money! by ReidMaynard · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not an Onion story?

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  4. Re:Communism or Socialism by jimmy_dean · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's interesting. So convenient on your part. I would venture to say that if you made more money (I'm assuming you're not currently), somewhere in the $60k+ range, you wouldn't have this attitude. Would you like the government to give your money away forcefully to someone else just so that it's "fair?" Why should the government be in charge of this? And what's to stop them from becoming corrupt in this which is more than likely to happen? Power like this always corrupts...you place way too much faith in a system that doesn't work because people are people. Something like capitalism, although far from perfect, allows the greedy to get what they want and it gives a non-law regulated way for anyone to also work hard and earn their wage. Communism would only work in a perfect society. Your views are very dangerous and convenient.

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  5. We just need to change the way we see things by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As I once learned a bit about the development of Japanese culture, the fact that they live on an island with very few natural resources that world considers to be useful or otherwise valuable, much of their cultural values developed around an appreciation for other things which I find not only admirable, but inspiring as well.

    In my own life, I have learned to divest myself of debt financing and to save and survive with more focus on needs and less on wants. I definitely pay a lot less attention to pop culture marketting. Having grown up very poor as a child does make the adjustment easier and somewhat more natural for me, but I am definitely not an unhappy person.

    Among the things that no longer hold any direct personal value for me are things like diamonds, gold or other things that do not directly enrich my life in any meaningful way. In short, I value the practical and all but ignore the impractical, useless shiny things in life. I doubt I'll see the world's culture shift in this direction within my lifetime, but if we were to simply stop valuing many of the things we currently value, much of the world's wealth would simply lose value.

  6. Re:They deserve it by majaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That has to be the most ignorant post I have ever read and I have read a few. Open your eyes to look beyond the realms of your own limited vision. Most poor people have no choice but to live hand to mouth. And I don't mean trailer-park-poor but living-on-a-handful-of-rice-a-day-if-your-lucky-po or. Do you invest half of that rice in bonds or stock? Ignorant bastard.

    It was worth the karma loss.

  7. Re:The rich are disproportionately heavily taxed by teg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The richest 2% pay considerably more than 2% of taxes, however. They are disproportionately heavily taxed. I believe in the US, for example, the richest 1% bear 18% of the total tax burden.

    Do they have more than 18% of the income (including capital gains, interest etc) and/or own more than 18% of the assets?

  8. You act as if this is some sort of problem by Oz0ne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is to be expected. People work disproportionately as well. High intelligence is distributed in a very similar curve.

    The real reason that it seems to be getting more and more exaggerated is because the overall wealth/economy of the nation has continued to grow. This means that more people are able to afford to survive, to get health care, to be in a place where they can fill out these census instead of working their arses off or just trying to stay warm. Think back to the 1900s, or even late 1800s. People that were just scraping by would often not even survive. But really that's all besides the point.

    Who cares if we have ridiculously rich people? What does it matter? It doesn't stop you from achieving your goals, you have to work to get there and earn your way the same. Just because there are enormously wealthy people doesn't mean you're prevented from acquiring wealth yourself. in fact, it makes you all the more likely to be able to get rich. These people if they want to stay wealthy, or grow their funds, must use it in some way. Maybe just earning interest in a bank, maybe investing in startup companies. Either way that money becomes a tool banks/companies can use to generate more wealth, and you can get in on that.

    Quit being so classist. Just because others have done well doesn't mean you can't, but you surely can't if all you do is gripe about how you deserve more money without doing anything to earn it.

  9. Re:What I'd like to see is a comparison by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try comparing with 50 years ago instead of 500. Then we have not made progress, but taken many step backwards in social equality.

    Really? By what measure? More people own their own homes. Unemployment is lower. Even lower income families have things that would have been considered utter luxuries 50 years ago (multiple televisions, cell phones, cable, cheap antibiotics, cheap fresh food of every imaginable kind, etc). What does "social equity" mean to you - that someone who is successful should not have a flatscreen TV until everyone does? Or that incredibly wealthy pro basketball players shouldn't be allowed to spend their cash until everyone can spend the same amount of cash?

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  10. Re:The rich are disproportionately heavily taxed by NewWorldDan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Free market economies do not "just happen" to distribute wealth. It goes to those who work, in proportion to how hard they work and how skilled they are.

    I'd like to believe that, sir, I really would. Except I know that free markets are not really as free as we'd like to believe. By and large, the extremely rich maintain and increase their wealth through a number of mechanisms. They have connections. They know politicians, and other heads of industry. They enact protectionist laws. The reason lawyers and doctors make so much money is that they have erected barriers to entry to their professions. To practice law, one must attend an expensive law school before being allowed to take the bar. Along with the needless complexity of the court system dictates that leagal endeavors will be very expensive. The medical profession is very similar. While I don't dispute that quality surgery is likely to be expensive, day to day medical care should not be. Doctors, however, stand as the gateway between the people and most medications. I suffer from excema. About once a year, I need a new tube of cream to treat the occasional outbreak. The tube costs $4.15, but I have to pay for a $200 doctor visit before I can get one.

    And of course, the rich generally begin life with a great deal of wealth. They have access to better nutrition and schools. They inherit the business connections of their fathers. They attain positions of power not through merit, but as an accident of birth. Which also implies that my own child is just that much more unlikely to attain those positions of power. There are a lot of policy changes that can be made to rectifiy this sort of situation. Eliminate protectionist laws. Reinstate the estate tax. Actually, just treat it as any other taxable gift, because that's what an inheritance is: A gift you make when you die. Eliminate incentives for the poor to remain poor. There are far too many of them to list here. Just a few ideas anyway. I don't mind the rich getting rich on their own merit. But for every James Sinegal (Costco founder) out there, there are 100 asshats riding on daddy's (or grandpa's) coattails.

  11. Wealth-based taxation sucks. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, that would be really dumb. It would further discourage people from saving money, and push everyone even further down the road towards paycheck-to-paycheck living. (Or worse, to debt-maintained living -- unless you want to tax debt?)

    Now I agree that it's rather bizarre that we don't just tax capital gains as income; actually it's bizarre that we don't just tax all income as income, and do away with all the little niggling special categories -- if it was someone else's money and now it's yours, that's income, tax it at the same rate.

    People shouldn't be taxed on money that's sitting around and not doing anything, or on the principal value of property. If an investment makes money, then they should get taxed on it -- immediately in the case of dividends, or when they cash-out in the case of capital gains. But taxing "wealth" in the form of unrealized capital gains would result in people's retirement/college/savings funds just magically shrinking, year after year. It would basically be telling people: "use it or lose it."

    That's not a smart road to go down, because when you discourage people from saving, you're just going to end up having to bail them out later, when they're 65 and broke because they didn't bother to save money for retirement. (I suppose you could pull a Logan's Run and kill them, but I'm going to make some assumptions here.) Rather than letting individuals run their own lives, you're heading down the road to a centrally planned economy, where because nobody can afford it on their own anymore, they have no choice but to depend on the government for everything.

    Furthermore, you'd also discourage property ownership (which is one of the keys to social stability), and instead favor people who maintain a low "wealth" by constantly matching their stream of income to their stream of expenses, even when it's obviously not sustainable. Anyone who wants to could probably zero out their 'wealth' by just spending more on services and other items with little residual value. As long as they stay employed, they can maintain a high quality of life -- but the second that they have a gap in their income stream, because they don't have any savings, they fall flat. And then it's back to the government for a bailout.

    Wealth-based tax schemes lead directly to heavy government dependency by the entire populace, and encourage personal finance schemes that aren't sustainable or productive in the long term. You might think that it's eliminating one form of classism, but instead you'd just replace it with the classism of a Politburo: a small number of bureaucrats managing all of society's savings and wealth. No thanks.

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