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Tiny Particle With No Charge Discovered

ZonkerWilliam writes to mention PhysOrg is reporting that a tiny particle with no charge, called an 'axion' has been discovered. From the article: "The finding caps nearly three decades of research both by Piyare Jain, Ph.D., UB professor emeritus in the Department of Physics and lead investigator on the research, who works independently -- an anomaly in the field -- and by large groups of well-funded physicists who have, for three decades, unsuccessfully sought the recreation and detection of axions in the laboratory, using high-energy particle accelerators."

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  1. and it means... by MagnusE · · Score: 4, Informative

    axion () means worthy in greek. ;)

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  2. Re:Detected... by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTFA-

    "They didn't know how to handle the detector for short-lived particles," Jain said. "I knew that for this very short-lived particle -- 10-13 seconds -- the detector must be placed very near the interaction point where the collision between the projectile beam and the target takes place so that the produced particle doesn't run away too far; if it does, it will decay quickly and it will be completely missed. That is what happened in most of the unsuccessful experiments." Instead, Jain used a visual detector, made of three-dimensional photographic emulsions, which act as both target and detector and that therefore can detect very short-lived particles, such as the axion. However, use of such a detector is so specialized that to be successful, it requires intensive training and experience. In the 1950s, Jain was trained to use this type of detector by its developer, the Nobel laureate, British physicist Cecil F. Powell. Jain has used it throughout his career to successfully detect other exotic

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  3. Re:Detected... by drrck · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well in TFA they described a three dimensional photographic emulsion, used not only as a target but as a detector as well.

    Think of it like those high speed film clips of a bullet going through a block of ballistics gel. The particle hits the emulsion and leaves a detectable wake.

  4. Re:Tiny Particle with no charge? by jfengel · · Score: 4, Informative

    A neutron has a mass of 940 MeV. This sucker is around 6-20 MeV. Compared to that, the neutron isn't tiny; it's gi-freaking-normous.

  5. Re:Long Lived Axions by jpflip · · Score: 3, Informative

    It turns out that the axion can have a wide range of properties, depending on its mass and its coupling to ordinary matter. There are regions of parameter space in which the axion is heavy enough and strongly-coupled enough to decay rapidly. Professor Jain is claiming to have detected such a short-lived version of the axion (or, at least, some sort of short-lived neutral particle).

    Most models for axions are much lighter and have much weaker interactions, giving them much longer lifespans. That's what's being described in the article you cite. An axion with those properties would be an ideal candidate for dark matter - tons of them would fill the universe, and they'd be nearly undetectable due to their weak interactions.

    Most searches for axions focus on the longer-lived possibilities for this reason, so far with no success. I'm intrigued if this claim is true, but I'll wait to see what other physicists think.

  6. Re:This is a big deal by spiro_killglance · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not sure which particle your were thinking of but the axion was supposed to be really light, in the eV range, its the gravitino
    that is in the plancks (need a atom smasher as big as the solar system) mass range. String theory does have axions in it as well
    as stacks of light neutral particles called moduli. The article didn't say how they knew or why they thought that particle was an
    axion. The experiment found at light neutral particle with mass ~19 Mev (or maybe 7 Mev) that decays to electron positron pairs, they didn't say the had a spin measurement, if its not spin 0 with negative parity its definitely not an axion. Another experiment (PVLAS) last year found evidence a particle with mass in the milliEv range, that fits more with an axion. So maybe this is something
    else.

  7. Re:Detected... by Aglassis · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The wake of a bullet going through ballistics gel is due to the electromagnetic force."
     
    And the Universe is powered by stupidity. The wake of a bullet going through ballistics gel is caused by the shockwave of the bullet's impact with the surface of the gel; a bullet is not a charged particle, nor magnetic, and it's way to big to create the ionization effects that traditional particle detectors use. I don't know how it is possible that, not only could say that a bullet causes a wake due to electromagnetic force, but that a mod actually believed that bullshit. Thank you for your comment. I am happy you are interested in physics. There are 4 forces: electromagnetism, gravity, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force. Please feel free to tell me which forces you believe allow the shockwave of a bullet to develop. Be as technical as you wish (I have extensive experience in advanced physics). I will give you a hint though: particles that have a net neutral charge can still interact electromagnetically whenever the distances between the interacting charges isn't assumed to be infinite (think dipoles).

    I hope this is a good learning experience for you and I hope that you don't recklessly call other posters stupid next time.

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  8. Re:Detected... by Aglassis · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wasn't trying to be mischievous. Really!

    The point that I was trying to make is that a zero charge particle doesn't interact electromagnetically so we can't use conceptual examples that involve the electromagnetic force regardless of how trivial to describe it. There do exist many particles that do interact electromagnetically and you could say they travel through a medium (such as a bubble chamber) like a bullet through a ballistics jel. Heck, I've even seen the extreme examples of this where I was able to observe Cherenkov radiation from a nuclear reactor's fuel elements (where a charged particle moves faster than the speed of light in that medium producing a really pretty blue light).

    But the axion itself does not interact electromagnetically so by itself it does not produce a wake. The electron and positron produced will certainly produce wakes, but that point needs to be pointed out explicitly. The axion is not detected directly from electromagnetic interactions, only its decay products are (which are released symmetrically around the axis of the axion).

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  9. Re:What did the bartender say to the axion? by bcat24 · · Score: 3, Informative
  10. Re:This is a big deal by mako1138 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Particle physicists measure mass in units of electronvolts/c^2, which is written without the c^2 for convenience. The electron is about 0.5 MeV, and the proton/neutron are about 1 GeV. So this experiment supposedly found axions with mass ~10 MeV, whereas theory says they should be on the order of eV -- big discrepancy.

  11. Re:Cool that he had to use an analog detector by DrFalkyn · · Score: 3, Informative

    I dont't thats intersting at all. Virtually all instrument readings are analog, until they are digitized by an ADC.