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Professor Comes Up With a Way to Divide by Zero

54mc writes "The BBC reports that Dr. James Anderson, of the University of Reading, has finally conquered the problem of dividing by zero. His new number, which he calls "nullity" solves the 1200 year old problem that niether Newton nor Pythagoras could solve, the problem of zero to the zero power. Story features video (Real Player only) of Dr. Anderson explaining the "simple" concept."

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  1. Well, thats just nullty. by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    His new number, which he calls "nullity"

    Well, thats just nullty. :-)

    Seriously though, as I understand it, this is simply another mathematical structure that allows a different scalar much like a real projective line, right? If that is the case, then there is nothing really new here and there can be no application or definition with real numbers or integers. Alternatively by interpreting this as a commutative ring, one might be able to extend this to where division by zero does not always get you in trouble, but the precise interpretation of "division" is fundamentally altered. This too is not a new concept.

    However, all of that said, I am a bioscientist and my math skills are not as strong as a formally trained mathematician, so I will defer to those here who are stronger mathematicians than I if this interpretation is incorrect.

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    1. Re:Well, thats just nullty. by RodgerDodger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Perhaps. OTH, complex numbers are an incredibly useful tool in electrical engineering, yet were deemed so useless when first conceived that they were called imaginary numbers.

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  2. Sad, really... by lexDysic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's sad that he teaches math and thinks this is a worthwhile concept.

    For just one example of why it sucks, he BEGINS by defining: (infinity) = 1/0 and (-infinity) = -1/0.
    My conclusion: (0)*(infinity)=1
    So 2*0*infinity = 2*1
    So 2 = 2*0*infinity = (2*0)*infinity = 0*infinity = 1
    And once you know that 2 != 1 and 2 =1, it turns out you can prove quite a bit...

    Total nonsense, and the BBC is encouraging it. *shakes head* Although, I've got to say, it's nice, for once in my life, to deservedly be a smug American.

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  3. Re:Imaginary Numbers by lexDysic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Note: IAAM(athematician). You pose a good question. The game in mathematics, though, is not to "make up random rules so that something that occurs to them suddenly works". It's (broadly speaking) to make up new rules which are completely consistent with all the old rules which allow us to understand a previously mysterious example. This is where "imaginary" numbers succeed tremendously, and "nullity" fails miserably. See my post downthread for why nullity sucks.

    "Imaginary" numbers are just the "thingys" which are solutions to polynomials. I.e., mathematicians find it useful to have an answer to the question "for what values of x does x^2 + 1 = 0?" The answers are useful, even though they aren't good at measuring length or breadth or depth or other one-dimensional concepts. They're useful because they allow mathematicians to develop a theory which has answered questions which couldn't be answered before. This is true even though both the question and the answer both lie in the realm of real numbers. Should there be an answer to every question of this type that doesn't use complex numbers? Perhaps, but it certainly doesn't have to be pretty, or easy to discover. Often the shortest path to a "real" truth lies on an "imaginary" line.

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  4. Don't sneeze at it by mattr · · Score: 5, Interesting
    How does James Anderson's "nullity" differ from Douglas Adams' "a suffusion of yellow"?

    Seriously though this is the sort of thing that you don't want to sneeze at, it can sound both inane and brilliant. Anderson is not such a crackpot, I found a presentation of his on optical computing and an introduction to its underlying theory called perspex algebra ( "Representing geometrical knowledge."). He seems to be a geometer stating his perspective in the first line of that presentation: "Aims: To unify projective geometry and the Turing machine".

    He's a geek hero! Who knows if his nullity will end up just NaN with a British twang or the next best thing to sliced bread and i?

    I was unable to hear the realaudio casts but from Book of Paragon, The Perspex Machine (Anderson mentions transreal arithmetic) and Exact Numerical Computation of the Rational General Linear Transformations (a mathematical treatise with applications to computer vision and robotics) just glancing I'd have to say the guy seems to be a real mathematician, geek and philosopher-king. I don't know if he's up there with Newton but he at least deserves an honorable mention for his wonderfully witty (and to me as yet inscrutable) naming of the Walnut Cake Theorem (see page 10 of Perspex.pdf). It seems that he was motivated to create nullity in order to make reliable advanced computers that would not barf when asked questions about the universe, and to him "Not-a-Number" is vomit. I'd say read some of his stuff before assigning him to the 9th Hell. Would like to hear what any mathematicians or other people with brain cells over the age of 12 have to think about it. It's okay if he reinvented something but it appears he is trying to make a machine that can handle infinities and other tough numerical concepts with ease, and that's worth something. Oh, that and his quantum computer looks neat.

  5. Re:Umm... NaN? by saforrest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure he did. He said the reciprocal of nullity was nullity:

    (nullity)^(-1) = nullity

    So division by nullity is just nullity.

  6. Re:Argh!!! by sg_oneill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually Im going to retract unreservedly the crank comment right now...

    Reading his stuff, he's proposing an abstract machine as an alternative to the universal turing machine (also an abstract machine) that solves the problem of exceptions in algebra. He's suggesting it has alot of philisophical implications somewhat aligned with the way conventional algebra does. I havent quite grokked the central thesis of it, as my maths is way rusty, but its actually quite interesting.

    The 0/0 = nullity stuff is a tragic little misstatement of what he's getting at.

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  7. Unspoken of, third sign by salec · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem with trying to abstract is that 0 holds no sign. It poses no problem when you multiply with 0, because you don't need to ask about the sign of resulting 0. However, when dividing finite with 0, you know that you have two possible and distant infinite outcomes.

    Therefore, if there was 0 and -0, you could claim x/0 = (SIGN(x))*infinity and x/(-0) = -(SIGN(x))*infinity.

    Perhaps nullity is used to address exactly this problem of zero's "third sign". There is also similar concept, "infinite complex number", where complex plane is mapped on Riemann's sphere, where south pole is mapped to zero, while north pole is considered "complex infinity". The nullity is "real numbers' only" version of that.