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Table-top Particle Accelerator Created

holy_calamity writes "French physicists have built a desktop particle accelerator. It uses a pair of laser beams to precisely control the acceleration of electrons within a plasma. It has the power of a device that usually takes up a whole room and could lead to new medical treatments. They don't mention the potential for experiments like 'what happens if I put my lunch in front of a 300 megaelectronvolt beam?'"

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  1. Been around for years by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Been around for years by holy_calamity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No it hasn't. That's why the French team's work has appeared in the top journal Nature this week. The editor has written a freely accessible summary with links to the research article. The first paragraph of that is freely available.

    2. Re:Been around for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sure, it's been around for ages. The article even mentions explicitely that this is a decade-old idea. It also says that it has been very difficult to fine-tune this idea. This is what these guys did.

      I suggest that you update the Wikipedia article about plasma acceleration...

    3. Re:Been around for years by hal2814 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Really. These guys used to strap them on like backpacks when they went to work everyday.

    4. Re:Been around for years by inviolet · · Score: 3, Funny

      "You know, it just occurred to me, we've never had a completely successful test of this equipment."
      "I blame myself."
      "So do I."
      "Well, no sense worrying about it now. Switch me on."

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    5. Re:Been around for years by krakelohm · · Score: 1

      [while taking down Slimer in hotel] "Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider!"

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    6. Re:Been around for years by slashkitty · · Score: 1

      Yes it has. Table top particle acceleration has been. Maybe not this menthod, but less powerful ones.

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    7. Re:Been around for years by slashkitty · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In fact, you probably have a table top particle accelerator in your house. http://science.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher2.htm Yes, a CRT is also considered a particle accelerator!

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  2. They're not stupid by darkonc · · Score: 1
    'what happens if I put my lunch in front of a 300 megaelectronvolt beam?'"
    If they did that, they'd get their site slashdotted.

    Oh, nevermind....

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    1. Re:They're not stupid by Toby+The+Economist · · Score: 1

      > what happens if I put my lunch in front of a 300 megaelectronvolt beam?

      Isn't that about the same a front beam laser?

    2. Re:They're not stupid by darkonc · · Score: 2, Informative
      A 300MEV beam signifies the energy of individual particles. Such a beam might have an very low intensity, or could be strong enough to be used as a weapon (that's a function of both wattage and diameter). A particle beam can cause either chemical or atomic changes in your lunch (i.e. it could conceivably make it radioactive).

      A laser beam is only going to cook/burn your lunch.

      Isn't that about the same a front beam laser?
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    3. Re:They're not stupid by cuantar · · Score: 1

      Nope. Lasers are just monochromatic, polarized light, meaning they're beams of photons with nearly the same energy that are all travelling in the same direction. 300MeV is actually really high for a laser; after a little algebra, the wavelength of a laser with that energy is 4.13e-6 nanometers. Most lasers that I know of are visible light or infrared, but light with a wavelength on the order of 10^-6 nm (10^-15 m) is high on the gamma side of the spectrum.

      If you were to put a sandwich into a 300MeV proton beam (for example), what you'd end up with would depend on the intensity of the beam. Low intensity gives you a radioactive sandwich, and high intensity gives you a hole in a radioactive sandwich. I imagine similar things would happen with a 300MeV laser, but you wouldn't even need a laser if you could shoot 300MeV photons at things :) Disclaimer: I am a physicist-in-training, so IANAP (yet).

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    4. Re:They're not stupid by Sangui5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Don't forget all of the other stuff you get from spalling, like high energy X-rays. Actually, at 300MeV, I'd wager on getting a fairly decent gamma ray beam. Without a purpose built collimator, I'd guess that there'd be a good amount of "spray" all over the place. So you'd probably get a hole in a radioactive sandwich, plus a good dose of radiation just for standing nearby. Yes, a healthy dose life-giving radiation.

      Remember, the Therac-25 system was quite lethal when it malfunctioned, and it "only" used a 25 MeV beam. 300MeV is a LOT of punch per particle, and if the intensity is high enough all sorts of nasty things will happen.

    5. Re:They're not stupid by Iron+Condor · · Score: 1

      Actually, at 300MeV, I'd wager on getting a fairly decent gamma ray beam.

      You lost me there -- by what process? For a z=1 particle at 300MeV/n kinetic energy, the stopping power of dry air is about ~3.1 MeV/(g/cm^2) - so that's pretty much transparent. You don't get much energy loss until you hit someone or something. (For Lung tissue I get ~3.5MeV/(g/cm^2), so taking human density to be about ~1, you'd deposit almost half the energy of the particle during penetration of a body (say 30 cm thick))

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    6. Re:They're not stupid by Sangui5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      When it hits the sandwich.

  3. Eat Banana by neurostar · · Score: 2, Informative

    'what happens if I put my lunch in front of a 300 megaelectronvolt beam?'

    Nothing you can see, because that's ~ 4e-11 J.

    1. Re:Eat Banana by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not quite, you forgot the flux. 300MeV is the energy per electron so you meant ~4e-11 J/electron. I did not RTFA, but I'm guessing the accelerator produced more than one electron. Also, don't forget, luminosity is also an important way to factor the problem --- electrons/area/sec. That being said, I'd be more concerned about the safety of the lasers they must be using to pump the system.

  4. Mmm.. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lunch is all well and good, but I'm still waiting for an investigation into the device's popcorn-popping capabilities.

  5. Throw me a bone here... by wwiiol_toofless · · Score: 1

    I want tables with frickin' lasers on their heads. I apologize.

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  6. Finally! by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1

    At last, I've found the perfect Christmas gift for my evil genius cousin!

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  7. SECOND Table-top Particle Accelerator Created! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    These guys never heard of air hockey?

  8. Table top accelerators are already being replaced by mc6809e · · Score: 1


    with LCDs!

  9. Time to market? by jimstapleton · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can see it now...

    Boss: "What is that on your desk?"
    Me: "A particle accelerator."
    Boss: "OK, next question... Why?"
    Me: "Because I can."

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    1. Re:Time to market? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      Boss: "What is that on your desk?"
      Me: "A particle accelerator."
      Boss: "OK, next question... Why?"
      Me: "Because I can."
      Guy in the next cubicle: Can it run Linux?
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    2. Re:Time to market? by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

      lol, actually my boss and I are the only two here that don't really mind Unix operating systems that much, though I'd much rather used BSD than Linux...

      hmmm, can it run NetBSD?

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  10. Ze accelerateurs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...zey are getting smaller and fasterrrr! Soon we shall not be able to escape zem! START RUNNING NOWWW!

  11. Important safety tip... by Etcetera · · Score: 2, Funny


    They don't mention the potential for experiments like 'what happens if I put my lunch in front of a 300 megaelectronvolt beam?'

    Whatever you do, don't cross the streams!

    1. Re:Important safety tip... by eviloverlordx · · Score: 1

      Whatever you do, don't cross the streams!

      Don't look in the trap, either.

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  12. Been done before... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    They don't mention the potential for experiments like 'what happens if I put my lunch in front of a 300 megaelectronvolt beam?

    Some egghead before or during World War II had an egg in his pocket when working around microwave beams when the egg decided to go pop. The device is called a microwave oven and sits on the kitchen counter. I got mine for free when I signed for a one-year lease on my apartment. :P

  13. Christmas List? by bepolite · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please Santa can I have a Particle Accelerator? I've been good!

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    1. Re:Christmas List? by Nef · · Score: 1

      [SantaVoice]You'll shoot your eye out kid!!![/SantaVoice]

  14. It could be a new game by Lex-Man82 · · Score: 1

    Press the button to find a new particle. Bonus points if you find a Graviton.

    1. Re:It could be a new game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * Press
      Ding! "You have found...photon."

      * Press
      Ding! "You have found...photon."

      * Pick up and shake

      * Press
      Ding! "You have found...photon."

      Stupid thing must be broken. My cousin found axions in his particle accelerator.

      (Small particle accelerator means low energy collisions. Don't expect to find anything terribly spectacular in this guy)

  15. Done before by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 3, Funny

    This has been done already, just with really really really big desktops.

  16. It might not give the answer ... but by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    If you want to put your lunch in front of something, try this: http://www.solardeathray.com/

  17. Ghostbusters by darkshadow · · Score: 1

    An unlicensed nuclear accelerator?

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    1. Re:Ghostbusters by Jorelli · · Score: 1

      fortunately it's NOT a proton pack. i say fortunately since the proton pack's inventor is quoted as saying "the proton pack is not a toy" whereas this device is clearly intended for entertainment purposes.

  18. cooking at CERN by joejor · · Score: 2, Funny
    Perhaps they can follow up on high energy culinary research, as previously documented in
    Zryd A., Liechti T., Wagnière J.D. (1995). The laser cheese raclette, Annals of Improbable Research, 1, 3, 12-15.
  19. Chocolate bar by coyote-san · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://cultureofchemistry.blogspot.com/2005/11/rad ar-and-chocolate-bar.html

    And don't use the term 'egghead'. It's origin is Nazi brown-shirts referring to how the skulls of intellectuals shatter when they hit the ground. (Or something equally violent.) We have enough anti-intellectualism in this country already.

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    1. Re:Chocolate bar by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you need to check your facts regarding egghead since it appears to be American slang. Not unless you were trying to indirectly suggest I'm a Nazi sympathizer. There's enough anti-intellectuals (or people who don't know there facts) in this country.

    2. Re:Chocolate bar by nurb432 · · Score: 0, Troll

      "It's origin is Nazi brown-shirts referring to how the skulls of intellectuals shatter when they hit the ground. "

      And your point?

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  20. Does it work on little brothers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey mom, watch me accelerate Timmy to 0.9c!

  21. Chocolate bar by coyote-san · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    http://cultureofchemistry.blogspot.com/2005/11/rad ar-and-chocolate-bar.html

    BTW, don't use the term 'egghead'. That anti-intellectual term comes from Nazi brownshirts referring to how easily intellectual's heads shattered, or something equally violent. We have enough anti-intellectualism in this country already. Just look at those damn Geico commercials.

    (Seriously. The 'modern' humans are assholes who can mock or outshout the cavemen but that's all... and don't feel any shame about it. The 'cavemen' are the ones who clearly articulate their opinion and accomplishments.)

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  22. Re:egghead by FunkyRat · · Score: 1

    That's not true. The term dates back to the first decade of the 20th C. as slang for "bald". Chicago newspapermen picked up on the word and started using it to mean someone with intellectual pretensions and the term gained widespread popularization in 1952 when New York Herald Tribune columnist Stewart Alsop used it to refer to the presidential campaign of Adlai Stevenson.

  23. accelerator? by deadstatue · · Score: 1

    isnt this just a wakefield accelerator?isnt that old news?unless im wrong ive read about this bout a year ago in sci.am.

  24. Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    300 MeV may be 4e-11 J, but that's not the relevant figure. 300 MeV refers to the energy of a single electron in the beam. The beam itself, however, contains many, many electrons, not to mention the energy in the lasers and plasma producing the beam.

  25. Sounds familiar by plopez · · Score: 3, Funny

    like every software project I took part in.

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  26. But how big... by coldtone · · Score: 1

    is the table?

  27. What is the mass of this "Tabletop Particle" by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

    IANAQM (Quantum Mechanic) but I do not recall the discovery announcement for this hadron(?).

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  28. I accelerate particles every morning... by C_Kode · · Score: 1

    I accelerate particles every morning when I fire one out...

  29. In Related News.... by brendan0powers · · Score: 1

    World's largest table has been created.

  30. Most of us have owned one by dlleigh · · Score: 1

    LCDs are making them obsolete, but CRTs (which we all know and loved) work by accelerating electrons to a few keV. The electrons are moving at a not insignificant hunk of the speed of light and produce X-rays as they slam into the front of the tube.

    Next time you're sitting in front of one, remember that there's an unlicensed particle accelerator a couple of feet from your brain.

  31. IT BURNS!!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I had a malfunctioning CRT once.

    My eyes and face felt like they were getting pin-pricked to death.

    I gave it to charity "for parts."

    I magic-markered a warning label on the screen and case first.

  32. El Cerrito cyclotron by 602 · · Score: 1

    In 1947, four high school students in El Cerrito, California built a cyclotron. Here's a PDF of an article from Physics Today.

  33. When can I get one of these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so that I can create tiny quantum black holes that would explode into self contained bubble universes?