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German Minister Seeks Jail Time For FPS Players

GamePolitics has the somewhat unbelievable news that German Minister of the Interior Gunther Beckstein is seeking jail time for violent game developers, publishers, and players. MSNBC has further coverage of the issue, which has pro gamers in Germany quite worried. From the article: "The draft law, a reaction to a school shooting that shook German public opinion last month, will come before the upper house of parliament next year. But it is already sending shockwaves through the 2m-strong German online gaming community. 'We have among the most drastic censorship rules for games,' said Frank Sliwka, head of the Deutsche E-Sport Bund, an umbrella federation for German online gaming teams. 'Now we are being labelled as a breeding ground for unstable, dysfunctional and violent youngsters.'"

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  1. Re:Reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The U.S. beat them to the banning of tag
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316912/

  2. Re:"Logic" by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pretty females can have a stimulating effect on sex offenders (known and unknown), so will you ban women from walking in public?

    Or make them wear burkas. Might as well. That's where the EU will be in 10 years time anyway. The lovely streetwalkers of Paris will become a thing of the past. :-(

  3. Re:"Logic" by Control+Group · · Score: 3, Interesting

    2) Good tasting food can have a stimulating effect on people with eating disorders, so will you ban good tasting food?

    Yeah - luckily, that couldn't possibly happen, since that would be ridiculous.

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  4. Re:Not "German Minister of the Interior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They believe e.g. that Counterstrike is played with a joystick and the goal of the game to be "killing hostages". What difference would it make if that were actually true?

    It's safe to say they have the correct basic idea of what a game is, though on specific games clearly don't know what they are talking about. But it's not an issue of the specific game content or why they are against game x or game y. Even if CS were all about killing hostages, should it be censored? We would of course say "no", but they say "yes".

    That's the issue that needs to be addressed, because their ignorance of specific games still doesn't excuse their calling for them to be banned, whether they actually exist in that form or not.
  5. An once of prevention by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is worth a pound of cure. We all know that.

    But what is seldom appreciated is how often that a pound of prevention turns out to be worth only an ounce of cure. Or less.

    The reason that the "ounce of prevention" strategy works is that it focuses you on simple, reasonable actions that accurately target the concern and produce few side effects. Like putting a lock on your door to prevent burglary. Now you could sit on your front porch and shoot at everybody who comes near your house that you think "looks shifty". There is no doubt a more vigorous preventive measure than locking your doors and widnows, but it isn't more effective.

    It really doesn't matter whether something is done before or after the fact, so much that the action be chosen to produce the results desired, and not much if anything else.

    And seeing as we've already triggered Godwin's law, I may as well raise the example of the Final Solution as an instance of the pound of prevention phenomonon. If people thought that the Jews where using their control of money to ruin the country, why didn't they simply pass a few banking regulation laws? Then nobody could ruin the country that way, Jew or otherwise. The answer is that the pound of prevention phenomon, like road rage, is driven by highly emotionally charged thinking. The kind that makes you act so stupidly that the only way not to die from embarassment is to do something even stupider.

    If you're so concerned with pathologically violent people, why not simply screen for them at various reasonable points? You provide mental health services at school to disturbed kids and training for teachers on how to recognize and deal with them. You screen people who have violent run-ins with other people before they go onto bigger and badder things. You run a public education campaign so people can recognize when their associates and familiy members need help -- maybe a few people will recognize they need help themselves.

    Will this get rid of all violence by disturbed people? No. But it will do a hell of a lot more than banning video games.

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  6. Re:"Logic" by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And just what does banning trans-fat acids in food have to do with banning good tasting food?

    Such a ban has been in effect in Denmark since 2004, and I'm yet to see any restaurants close over it or any chefs complain that now they can't make their favorite dishes.

    Hell, even McDonalds got on board very quickly. And they've even announced their intentions of extending the restrictions on transfatty acids to all of their European restaurents - all 6,300 of them. Even Kentucky Fried Chicken announced similar goals (they have restaurents in Denmark as well).

    And all that without changing the way food tastes.

    Oh, wait. You were being obtuse, weren't you?

    What next? Going to complain that we don't allow odd things like, say, tar and mercury in your food due to health issues? I mean, people could just steer clear of the foods that contained that kind of stuff, right?

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  7. Re:"Logic" by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Or make them wear burkas. Might as well. That's where the EU will be in 10 years time anyway. The lovely streetwalkers of Paris will become a thing of the past. :-(

    The Veil Controversy

    For Islamists, the imperative to veil women justifies almost any means. Sometimes they try to buy off resistance. Some French Muslim families, for instance, are paid 500 euros (around $600) per quarter by extremist Muslim organizations just to have their daughters wear the hijab. This has also happened in the United States. Indeed, the famous and brave Syrian-American psychiatrist Wafa Sultan recently told the Jerusalem Post that after she moved to the United States in 1991, Saudis offered her $1,500 a month to cover her head and attend a mosque.

    But what Islamists use most is intimidation. A survey conducted in France in May 2003 found that 77 percent of girls wearing the hijab said they did so because of physical threats from Islamist groups. A series in the newspaper Libération in 2003 documented how Muslim women and girls in France who refuse to wear the hijab are insulted, rejected, and often physically threatened by Muslim males. One of the teenage girls interviewed said, "Every day, bearded men come to me and advise me strongly on wearing the veil. It is a war. For now, there are no dead, but there are looks and words that do kill."

    France's Toll of Destruction

    Last night probably another hundred cars were set ablaze - as will be the case tonight, tomorrow night, and the following ones. Before large-scale rioting started on 27 October the police had already registered 30,000 car-becues this year - an average of, indeed, 100 a day. What a boost this must be to the French automobile industry. In the same period there were 3,800 attacks on police officers - a "normal" non-riot average of almost 13 a day.

    The 751 No-Go Zones of France

    They go by the euphemistic term Zones Urbaines Sensibles, or Sensitive Urban Zones, with the even more antiseptic acronym ZUS, and there are 751 of them as of last count. They are convienently listed on one long webpage, complete with street demarcations and map delineations.

    What are they? Those places in France that the French state does not control. They range from two zones in the medieval town of Carcassone to twelve in the heavily Muslim town of Marseilles, with hardly a town in France lacking in its ZUS. The ZUS came into existence in late 1996 and according to a 2004 estimate, nearly 5 million people live in them.

    Comment: A more precise name for these zones would be Dar al-Islam, the place where Muslims rule. (November 14, 2006)

    Nov. 28, 2006 update: For an insight into how bad things are, the police in Lyons demonstrated on Nov. 9, denouncing "violence against the forces of order." Things have reached a pretty sad state when the police have to demonstrate in the streets against the criminals.

    The New French Revolution

    They rule gangland style, combined with the male-dominated traditions of the Arab countries they came from. It's gotten so bad that, today, most of the young women only feel safe if they are covered up, or if they stay at home. Girls who want to look just like other French girls are considered provocative, asking for trouble......

    "I was gang raped by three people I knew, and I couldn't say anything, because in my culture, your family is dishonored if you lose your virginity," says Bellil. "So I kept quiet, and the rapes continued. The next time, I was pulled off a commuter train and no one lifted a finger to help me. ...Everybody turned their head awa

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  8. Re:you got it all wrong by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not entirely. He's more correct than he probably knew he was. Germany has a terminal population problem; the only think keeping their country afloat long-term is immigration. So it's entirely plauseable that "old" people are a statistically larger percentage of the population than the younger - just as it would be the other way around in a healthy civilization.

    At least one good thing can be said about such things: if the trend isn't reversed, at least their society will experience a short age of guaranteed non-agression before its departure from the face of the earth as a cultural entity.

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