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'Killer' Network Card Actually Reduces Latency
fatduck writes "HardOCP has published a review of the KillerNIC network card from Bigfoot Networks. The piece examines benchmarks of the product in online gaming and a number of user experiences. The product features a 'Network Processing Unit' or NPU, among other acronyms, which promise to drastically reduce latency in online games. Too good to be true? The card also sports a hefty price tag of $250." From the article: "The Killer NIC does exactly what it is advertised to do. It will lower your pings and very likely give you marginally better framerates in real world gaming scenarios. The Killer NIC is not for everyone as it is extremely expensive in this day and age of "free" onboard NICs. There are very likely other upgrades you can make to your computer for the same investment that will give you more in return. Some gamers will see a benefit while others do not. Hardcore deathmatchers are likely to feel the Killer NIC advantages while the middle-of-the road player will not be fine tuned enough to benefit from the experience. Certainly though, the hardcore online gamer is exactly who this product is targeted at."
Where's the comparison between different onboard gigabit chipsets? (eg Broadcom, nForce, etc.) Where's the comparison between different PCI, PCI-X, and PCI Expressgigabit NICs?
If applicable, what are the settings for the onboard NICs being tested? Many have options for various CPU offload settings and optimizations for throughput or CPU usage.
Until we see these, how can we be sure if a high-end regular PCI-e NIC won't work just as well?
I suspect it will produce a noticeable improvement in situations where your computer is running heavily loaded. If you're playing a game that keeps your cpu pegged or near most of the time, your latency will be noticeably higher because of that (using the typical network card, which is a bit 'winmodemish' in that it's relying on the cpu to do much of its work.) So having a card that does all the network processing itself, without relying on the CPU, would avoid that slowdown.
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Latency is 99% percent due to delays over the Internet, not anything that happens on your local machine. What does this card do, sprinkle magic fairy dust over packets so they go faster through the wire?
This reminds me of gold-plated power cords for sound systems. Guaranteed to create richer, deeper sound!
This NIC card has no clothes. But hey, phishing schemes and Nigerian con artists can be successful so why shouldn't this?
How can a NIC decrease the latency in any noticable way?
You'd be surprised what marketers can do.
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I don't see any benchmarks in that article. Here are some,, and they don't make the thing look all that impressive.
The only benefit in this thing, apparently, is that, for games which make too many "select()" polls, there's a faster no-data return. This is really a bug in the game, which ought to be multi-threaded by now. As games are revised for multi-core systems, this problem had better go away. In fact, it probably will go away in Vista, which has a multithreaded network stack.
Maybe where this NIC really belongs is on the MMORPG *servers*?
These kinds of "professional" gamers could use a fancy NIC with lower times. Or if your Richie Rich and you need some extras for your already pimped out gaming rig.
Server systems have been using high quality NICs which offload network processing for years. Decades even... I think $250 is a bit steep. But then I'm not a l33t gamer. Kudos to them if they can get people to pay $250 for a $50 server NIC. I call that good marketing.
Of course they also need to be running 15,000rpm SCSI drives on a decent SCSI HBA as well as a top of the line CPU and loads of RAM and top of the range graphics card.
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It sounds like bullshit, but it actually works. The guys who made this aren't schmucks, but experienced designers. I know 2 people who bought one and they both confirmed slightly lower latency in games. Look at it this way, a 500 dollar pair of running shoes really isn't going to help the average person much compared to a 50 dollar pair. However, a professional runner is going to benefit. This card is designed for the professional gamer (oddly enough, they do exist today).
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From TFA:
That is just idiotic.
If you aren't going to do it right, then you are doing it WRONG. So it did NOT "reflect what would happen in real world gaming situations".
Again, you script it. You do not play it.
I'll give the KillerNIC people this, they certainly know how to pick their suckers.
Seriously. They didn't even bring their own PC's? They used the "testing machines" provided for them. And they think this has anything to do with "real world" performance?
A far, far better test, even under these biased conditions, would have been for them to use their own PC's. It cannot be that difficult to swap a NIC, can it?
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For some strange reason, all I ever see in these "reviews" are the KillerNIC people insisting that the games be run on THEIR machines. And people who are "reviewing" it accepting this strange requirement. And not even scripting it so that they can compare it with their home machines.
What people? People who can't strain their 386's with the added weight of a torrent client?
For the price of this NIC, you can invest that money into a good upgrade.
Stupid.
Is not how does it compare against an onboard NIC, but how does it compare against a good NIC that does offloading, like an Intel server NIC? I mean $100 will get you Intel's copper 1000mbps server NIC which does support offloading of various functions and, unlike the killer NIC, has rock solid drivers (not just for Windows either). My bet? The Intel NIC probably does near as good a job, and doesn't have any problems, as well as saving you $150.
Comparing it only to cheap onboard NICs really isn't useful. I mean yes I'd be interested to know if it's better but the real question is if it's better than a high quality addon NIC that's already available.
Most games are GPU-bound anyways. And most games are single threaded. Add it up, and you find that most people who can afford a $250 NIC have CPU power to spare (most likely dual core, too). Therefore, it'd be useful if you were on a budget system, but at $250, you would almost always spend that on the GPU or RAM.
In all the "reviews" of this that get posted here, I notice a few recurring items.
One of the most interesting to me is that they want the "gamers" to test the NIC as part of their entire box. But the real gamers would already have a box built to their specs that they were familiar with
Yet the "gamers" never seem to insist that they be allowed to compare the KillerNIC in their own box, against their existing NIC. And if they're serious gamers, they've already spent money replacing the on-board NIC if their motherboard came with it.
Kind of like if a tire company wants you to like new tires, but they won't let you drive them on your own car. You have to use their car. And you have to compare it to a different car that they have without the tires. And people accept that.
Under those conditions, I can show you improved ping times using nothing more than cool stickers for your case.
This is an "emperor with no clothes" thing - if you can't tell the difference, you must not be an experienced gamer. Since I'm an experienced gamer, I can tell the difference. HORSE PUCKY, boy!
...from what I've gathered from the comments (of course I didn't RTFA).
* The card supports the standard packet processing offloading that higher-end NICs have for years.
* The card can act as a firewall, which enables the user to turn of all software firewalls.
It seems to me, one could just buy a $50 broadband router or build their own mono0wall/ipcop router, and throw in a $20 3c905 card and get the same results for a lot less money.
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Speed != Latency.
Latency is the time it takes to go from one object to another
Speed is MB/S or some other equivalent measure
If speed was latency, we'd hire freight trains to carry cars full of hard drives to the intended recipient rather than measly packets over wire.
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This is an "emperor with no clothes" thing - if you can't tell the difference, you must not be an experienced gamer. Since I'm an experienced gamer, I can tell the difference. HORSE PUCKY, boy!
Naw, latency is an easily measured and quantified number and evidently this card does lower your latency somewhat.
How much that "somewhat" is noticeable is debatable. For those spending $bucks a month for high-speed internet for their $buckbucksbucks gaming rig, a crappy NIC is going to be rather bothersome. Go talk to a rabid "knife-makes-you-run-faster" CounterStrike player and ask him about the importance of latency.
But, for the rest of us, a NIC isn't really a bottleneck and onboard/generic PCI NICs do just fine. It's not "noticeable" enough.
Think of it as "online gamer viagra" - lower your ping by 5 ms!
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That's not because of interference, that's because normal, purchased-in-Walmart cables are, as I said, crap. The shielding on RCA cables, especially, often comes mostly loose from the plug. (And never ever buy a phono to RCA cable there.)
It's like food. You get a crap meal for 5 dollars. You get a pretty good one for 15-20. You're not going to get a noticeable better one for 50.
You get a crap RCA cable for 3 dollars. You get a good one for 5. You pay 15 dollars for Monster Calbers, and they claim absurd things like they're 'bandwidth blended' and have 'time correct' bindings and 'dual balanced' conductors, what the hell those things are. They even have wires that 'add warmth' to CD recordings and are specially designed for cars and all sorts of crazy stuff.
They're damn wires, they can't magically give you better sound, all they can do is crap it up. Buy wires that don't crap it up and be done with it. Spend the money you saved on better speakers.
Likewise, with this card: It's a damn network card. Almost all none of your latency is due to your network card.
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