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iTunes Sales 'Collapsing'

Alien54 writes to tell us The Register is reporting that based on reported revenues this year iTunes sales are plummetting. From the article: "Secretive Apple doesn't break out revenues from iTunes, but Forrester conducted an analysis of credit card transactions over a 27-month period. And this year's numbers aren't good. While the iTunes service saw healthy growth for much of the period, since January the monthly revenue has fallen by 65 per cent, with the average transaction size falling 17 per cent. The previous spring's rebound wasn't repeated this year."

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  1. Must just be the majors. The indies are thriving. by linuxbaby · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Here in the land of the truly independent artists, iTunes sales have almost DOUBLED. iTunes is paying our clients almost a million dollars a MONTH in sales, now. (My company is one of the back-end digital distributors of audio to iTunes, Rhapsody, EMusic, etc.)

    I feel like this is the same story as "CD sales are declining!" The whole time you've heard that in the news for the past 6 years, physical CD sales for small independent artists has shot WAY up.

    It's like you were looking at one of those stock charts that compares two different companies' stocks. The big famous artists would be that stock whose value has fallen from $100/share to $70/share. But the independent (mostly unknown) artists are like a $1 stock that is now at $5. It's more newsworthy to talk about the big visible stock falling, but the real story down here is in the huge boost that the indies have gotten from improved distribution / availability.

    Check out this visual / geographic metaphor, too.

  2. Re:Why buy the cow? by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Funny

    Beef.

    Dan East

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  3. The Register by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    Speaking to The Register, Forrester analyst Josh Bernoff warned against extrapolating too much from the figures. It may reflect a seasonal bounce that hasn't yet manifested itself. However, it might not.

    So maybe there's something going on... maybe not.

    More than that, The Register is not exactly a trustworthy news source. Think of it as the supermarket tabloid of Technology News. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like 'Steve Jobs an Alien Lovechild' on it's front page.

    1. Re:The Register by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Insightful
      More than that, The Register is not exactly a trustworthy news source.

      To the contrary. I think it's more authoritative than 95% of the "news" that's linked from here. (John Dvorak -- give me a break.) You may disagree with their opinion pieces, but that's another issue. And Slashdot submitters, thorough malice or stupidity, have submitted many of their joke pieces as straight news. They're not to blame for the non-existence of Slashdot's vetting system.

    2. Re:The Register by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Register is not exactly a trustworthy news source. Think of it as the supermarket tabloid of Technology News.

      The Register and the Inquirer (founded by the creator of the Register after losing a power struggle at the Register) never sign NDAs. That means that they rarely get the inside scoop. But, it leaves them completely free to report whatever they dig up, whenever they dig it up.

      So, you have your choice - Press Release journalism from places like Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, etc or "You'll know it as soon as we know it" from places like The Reg and The Inq.

      Pick your poison. I choose the later - better to get it wrong by accident than by some PR flack's direction.

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  4. Re:Must just be the majors. The indies are thrivin by MrPerfekt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, this is just some bad data. If "secretive Apple" isn't publishing data, where do that get it from? Oh yeah, Forrester...

    *crickets*

    I'm probably missing something and that's okay. Because you can analyze numbers to your hearts content, the point that all the "analysts" are missing is that most of the DRM'd music that's been released is backcatalog, plain and simple. Did it ever occur to anyone that many people probably splurged on legal tunes that they already loved and owned to get it onto their iPod (or whatever). Now that they have all the favorites/classics/etc., there is no reason for them to keep pace with whatever of the 70% crap that the industry pumps out.

    Maybe the industry is just slowed down while they wait for Brittany, Nickelback and whatever shitty country singer to release their new album? Stop thinking that small decline in numbers means THE INDUSTRY IS DEAAAAAAD. It's ridiculous.

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  5. Re:Must just be the majors. The indies are thrivin by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did it ever occur to anyone that many people probably splurged on legal tunes that they already loved and owned to get it onto their iPod (or whatever).

    Why would anybody buy a song they already own on CD???

    Ripping a song from CD to either AAC or Apple Lossless is faster than downloading via a typical broadband connection.

    iTMS is awesome for a very specific purpose: 1-hit wonders.

    Anybody who makes an album of consistently good music, I'd rather hunt down a used CD and rip it to a Lossless file, but if I only want one or two songs from a particular artist ever, and I'm not too fussy about hi-fi sound, then $1 per song is a good deal.

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  6. DRM and the improved iPod alternatives by ZP-Blight · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When there was only the iPod as a really good portable player, iTunes was the only game in town. Now when you can get decent quality alternatives, interoperability is becoming a much bigger issue and DRM is like a doorstop not letting anyone in.

    And when people can't get into a particular venue, they'll look elsewhere. And science bless the internet, there's a lot to choose from these days.

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    1. Re:DRM and the improved iPod alternatives by cei · · Score: 5, Funny

      there's a lot to choose from these days

      indeed -- iPod, iPod Nano, iPod Shuffle...

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  7. Re:Tell ya what Apple... by cei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wait, you want them to make a player you can afford, and you still want to say "screw 'em" if you can't easily take your music to a competitor's player? Doesn't sound like you're giving them an incentive to do either.

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  8. I use a gift card by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I use a gift card. Is that tracked like the credit card sales?

  9. I'd like the XXL grain O salt please... by Dhrakar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget that the author of the article is Andrew Orlowski. His particular axe to grind is that he wants all of us to pay for digital music via a mandatory flat licensing scheme. That is, all of us would pay a bit (or a lot) extra for our broadband access and that money would be used to pay artists, publishers, etc. Thus, I'd take any predictions he makes about iTunes collapsing as either A) wishful thinking on his part or B) an exaggeration of what Forrester really told him.

  10. iTunes is dying. by CCFreak2K · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: iTunes is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered iTunes community when IDC confirmed that iTunes market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all listeners. Coming close on the heels of a recent The Register survey which plainly states that iTunes has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. iTunes is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent The Register comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Steve Jobs to predict iTunes future. The hand writing is on the wall: iTunes faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for iTunes because iTunes is dying. Things are looking very bad for iTunes. As many of us are already aware, iTunes continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    The iTunes Store is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core customers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time iTunes Store customers Bob and Jill only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: iTunes Store is dying.

    ...

    All major surveys show that iTunes has steadily declined in market share. iTunes is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If iTunes is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. iTunes continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save iTunes from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, iTunes is dead. Fact: iTunes is dying

    Shamelessly plagarized by me.

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  11. More to it than perhaps that by moriya · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think there's more to the declining sale than just a release of iTunes 7.0. I'm no expert on how things are going but it seems Apple is expanding a bit too much as to what they offer in the online store. First, we had just plain ol' music. And that's fine given the iPod can only play music. Then it expanded to photos and then videos. Soon the store offered some music videos... then TV episodes... and now movies...

    Maybe it's because of other things... but my feeling and opinion is that Apple should have stuck with music overall instead of expanding into selling music videos, TV shows, and movies.

    1. Re:More to it than perhaps that by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      All of your wishes answered....

      www.mythtv.org

      I personally don't like it(Mediaportal is far better), but there is a myth2ipod plugin that will take all your recorded Tv shows and convert them for the ipod AND create a rss feed so that Itunes will grab the shows and shovel them to your ipod.

      I have a setup for my daughter, she stopped wasting money on Itunes Tv show downloads since they load up off an RSS feed magically for her now.

      Guess what, she simply fast forwards through the Commercials that the commercial skip misses not a real problem as the clickwheel makes it easy.

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  12. Here's your explination: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    People are lazy. People are stupid. People do stupid and lazy things.

    That about covers it.

    1. Re:Here's your explination: by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      People are lazy. People are stupid. People do stupid and lazy things.

      Yup, a Senior and her parents at my daughters high school tried to SUE another student for the cost of all her music on her ipod because he erased her ipod in class as a joke.

      The funny part is people ARE most certainly stupid, they don't even understand that plugging the ipod back into the computer will load all the music back on. These are really rich business executives and their child. Too stupid to understand, too lazy to even take a couple of minutes and read or even plug the stupid thing back in and watch it start automatically. (I guess their time as well as their childs time is EXTREMELY valuable)

      Says a lot about the state of intelligence in the world.

      BTW: it took their lawyer to explain to them the extremely complex operation of the Ipod before they understood what others told them many times.

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  13. Credit Cards by Joebert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who the hell is Forrester & how have they had access to Credit Card transactions for 27 months ?

    Where the hell did my tinfoil hat go ?!

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  14. Sales are down since January? by McNally · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sales are down since January, hmmm? Gee, I wonder what happens in January... Could that be the month that huge numbers of people who received iPods for Christmas try out the iTunes store for the first time? How about waiting a month and comparing January to January figures before drawing conclusions about a "collapse"?

    For reasons earlier posters have done an excellent job of outlining, I'm skeptical about the article and its methodology, but even if they're correct is the situation really a grave concern for Apple? The (barely profitable) iTunes Music Store exists to sell (highly profitable) iPods, not the other way around. As long as iPod sales are healthy (and apparently they're very healthy) the effects of "collapsing" sales at iTMS would be secondary or tertiary concerns for Apple's digital music player business. Apple's big wins from the iTunes Music Store come through FairPlay DRM lock-in and influence in the music industry, neither of which is yet affected by these supposedly "collapsing" sales figures.

  15. Orlowski... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some of us wanted to be astronauts, some of us wanted to be firemen or doctors or schoolteachers. Orlowski, now... there's a guy who wants to be John C. Dvorak when he grows up.

    We all need our goals.

    I guess.

  16. Re:iTunes 7.0 by DrXym · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've never used iTunes 7.0 for downloading music, but I use it for managing podcasts. That functionality was seriously broken until 7.02 (frequent occurences included downloads hung forever, stuck video, 100% CPU) and even without bugs lacks any easy way to manage subscriptions. This was a surprise to me since Apple software usually works properly.

    Concerning iTMS, my theory is that CDs are so cheap (or rather iTMS et al are so expensive) that there is little incentive for people to download songs. $9.99 for an album really is a scam when often it is on Amazon on CD for $9.99 and sometimes less. It's easier to buy and rip the CD. A CD that you then own forever.

  17. Front Row by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Informative

    I would like to see a mac mini with TiVo-killer hardware and software, but I doubt it will exist as long as Apple is selling TV shows in their store.

    The movies and TV shows are in crappy quality aimed at the iPod screen size too, so they're a gross ripoff given that they're priced like DVDs.


    I can't comment on the accuracy of your description since iTunes isn't available where I am living at the moment so I haven't been able to take a look at these services and I am to lazy to go to the trouble of making use of the loopholes. However, if that's really true and iTunes movies and TV shows are aimed at the iPod then Apple is barking up the wrong tree. Selling Movies and TV shows through iTunes is a good idea but they should tie it into Front Row and aim the sales at the desktop/mediacenter user not the iPod user. The iPod is a music player... period. I don't understand why Apple hasn't done more with Front Row and Mac-Mini combo. Perhaps they are so busy trying to wring the most out of the iPod they have forgotten about their other media products. I use a Mac-Mini as a media center along with an Elgato tuner and it works brilliantly but only because Elgato tacked a home made extension onto Front Row for their TV tuner which is a good thing since the remote Elgato ships with their tuners is (in my experience at least) complete crap. How hard can it be for Apple to create an API for TV tuner manufacturers like Elgato to use to integrate their products into Front Row? Still, it's cool to be able to control a DVD player, music jukebox, photo slideshow viewer, movie player and a TV tuner complete with recorder using a 6 button Front Row remote.

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  18. Re:Why buy the cow? by stewbacca · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Legitimate users of iTunes have always confounded me. What with the way they dress and their holier-than-thou attitude.
    Not quite sure I'm holier than anybody, but I simply can't stand the wasted hours trying to find good (illegal) copies of music and tv shows, and weeding through all the porn/spam/malware, when I can avoid the whole fiasco by paying a couple bucks. I don't know what you are worth, but saving time and ending up with a legitimate and decent enough quality copy is worth the $1 to me.

    Instead of blowing us off as some elitist snob iTunes lovers, why not consider that money isn't always a huge factor for some people? The convenience alone is worth the price of entry.

  19. Re:Must just be the majors. The indies are thrivin by nalfeshnee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a nasty suspicion that a *lot* of people are technically ignorant to the extent that they believe buying it on iTunes is the only option to get it on to their iPod -- or that it is, in fact, faster.

    In fact, building on your point about "hunting CDs down", I'd have to say that given the scenario where you want one favourite track of an old CD, and you know the CD is down in a box in a cellar, and you can't wait and you must have your music now (because you are a true child of the modern world and listening to music all the time wherever you are is a god-given right), then downloading that one track off iTunes is almost certainly faster than finding that CD in the box in the cellar, bringing it upstairs, ripping it .. ah, you get the picture.

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  20. Not aimed *only* at iPods by LKM · · Score: 5, Informative
    The movies and TV shows are in crappy quality aimed at the iPod screen size too, so they're a gross ripoff given that they're priced like DVDs.

    iPod screen: 320 by 240 pixel resolution.

    iTunes movies: 640-by-480-pixel video.

    While not quite as good as most DVDs, It's certainly not crappy, and certainly not aimed at iPod screens.

    1. Re:Not aimed *only* at iPods by Abcd1234 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Now as far as movie quality goes, I think ntsc is 480p, right?

      No, NTSC is 480i (ie, 720x480), though it's actually more like 640x480 or so, thanks to signal loss, etc.

      Meanwhile, a DVD is straight 480i. And the reduction in quality from that to 640x480 is probably barely noticeable (since the human eye is more sensitive to changes in verticle resolution). So are you saying DVDs are "crappy"?!?

  21. Re:Is the story full of it? by stewbacca · · Score: 5, Funny
    BTW, the name of Microsoft's new player is "Zune".

    BTW, "Zube" means penis in Arabic, so I think it is a funny typo.

    If you buy a PlaysForSure device, however, then there's at least some chance that the player you like better next year will also be a PFS device.

    You have fun with your PlaysForSure (ObsoleteForSure, more like it). Do you seriously think that there will be a single PFS device for sale in two years? I'm pretty optimistic that iTunes+iPod will still be a viable option in two-years time, however.

  22. The world outside the US by skurken · · Score: 5, Interesting

    iTunes is treating the world outside the US like an unwanted stepchild. Many of the records that are available in the US shop and which are available on CD here in Europe cannot be bought from the iTunes Store. So, what do they expect me to do? I bought a lot of music from iTunes when the store came to Sweden in the first place, but when even such main stream things as a Disney soundtrack isn't available outside the US, it is no wonder people are heading back to the torrent sites (or record stores for that matter).

  23. Not in my experience.... by shaneh0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The TV shows I've purchased look great on my television. The idea that they're somehow designed for small screens is incorrect. A 22 minute TV show is about 250MB.