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ORDB.org Going Offline

Posted by Hemos on from the the-end-of-the-road dept.

Allan Joergensen writes "ORDB.org has announced that they will shut down their services after fighting open relays and spam for more than five and a half years. The RBL DNS service and mailing lists will be taken down today (December 18, 2006) and the website will vanish by December 31, 2006." The reasons given tend to be the usual ones - volunteers have been focused on other things in life; my salute to those folks for keeping the service up as long as they did.

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  1. I wonder... by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the RBLs go offline, will spammers shift back to using open relays? I suspect not; the bot-nets are harder to stop and, from the spammer's POV, probably more reliable. The dark side of distributed, highly redundant networks.

    Still, it's pretty nice to think that they're going offline because they've largely solved the problem they were fighting. It's like declaring smallpox or polio extinct. And if they come back, we'll remember the formula.

  2. Good case why not to trust "community" services? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is this a good case why it's not generally a good idea to put any long-term trust in "community" services like this?

    The RBL DNS service and mailing lists will be taken down today (December 18, 2006) and the website will vanish by December 31, 2006.


    Thanks - that's not even two weeks notice.

    The reasons given tend to be the usual ones - volunteers have been focused on other things in life


    More likely, they woke up one day and figured out they were sick of eating Ramen noodles while being taking for a ride by commercial leeches who never kicked back.

  3. Re:Already offline? by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, we get that. He doesn't WANT TO.

    I haven't seen BadAnalogyGuy lately, so I'll have to do his job I guess:

    Slapping mosquitos is not the most effective way of killing mosquitos, but I'm not going to ignore the ones sucking my blood simply because sprays, candles and electric noises work better.

    'Not best' is not the same as 'not useful.'

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    "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
  4. Re:Are RBL's really finished by LodCrappo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We block tons of spam simply by requiring the sending server to strictly follow RFC 2821. A HELO name that follows the rules seems particularly difficult for the spammers to configure. Non FQDNs on the sender, recipient or hostname... sending domains that don't even exist in DNS, servers using your domain name or your IP address and their HELO... a whole variety of strange things that only spammers (and once in a while really bad sysadmins) do. Then you can go a step further and require that someone's sending domain actually have dns properly setup for mail delivery (a "you can't mail me if I can't mail you" kind of thing).

    Also, some grey listing systems are better than others. One that really works well for me is sqlgrey http://sqlgrey.sourceforge.net/ Sqlgrey comes with a fairly decent list of servers to exclude due to their inability to properly follow specs, so you don't lose mail from most of the broken but nonspammer servers. This list is also updated automagically and seems to work pretty well.. makes greylisting actually usable, for us at least.

    P.S. Don't want to start any holy wars, but if you're trying to fight mail and want a system thats easy to config and just works, postfix is a really great mail server.

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    -Lod