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New Type of Hot Air Blimp
An anonymous reader writes to let un know about a story up on the Experimental Aircraft Association site about a new kind of blimp. From the article: "Alberto, whose name pays homage to Brazilian aviation pioneer, Alberto Santos-Dumont, is 102 feet long with a 70-foot diameter and uses hot air rather than helium for lift. Its innovative foldable frame (much like an giant umbrella) creates structural support of its hot-air envelope, and it has a fly-by-wire vectored thrust steering system. Alberto is a hybrid; a hot-air balloon with aluminum ribs that looks more like a blimp, but with a tail propeller that gives it directional control." The home site of the blimp's developers has a timeline, photos, and a video of the blimp in flight.
you couldn't pay me to go up in one - irrational fear of heights - but it seems better than being in a balloon with no real control of your direction beyond finding some wind blowing the way you want to go.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
I'm an apartment dweller so about the parking situation...
So RMS learned to fly?
If you never make mistakes, it's probably because you're not doing anything.
That blimp is going to get /.
Just because you don't want to fly slowly at treetop level doesn't mean others don't want to, there's more to life than blasting from city to city always rushing...
Just because something is enormous unfolded doesn't mean it will be when it is folded...oh you have an umbrella? Where are you going to store that!? It would take up your whole closet!
Their patent is for hot-air ballons with internal frames which is much more new and innovative than 90% of patents out there (I'm looking at the company who's suing Nintendo for the trigger on the wii)
Stop being a hater for a single second and think about this, this thing is completely new. It's simple to fly, easier than hot-air balloons or blimps. Just think of the uses, replace a couple tour buses with this thing and you get the same maneuverability, better views, and little to no traffic on your tour. What other vehicle can do that?
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joe: Where do you keep getting this stuff!!!
This blimp isn't just a step forward for aviation, it's a major step forward in the development and construction of a viable space elevator. One of the primary problems that has plagued the space elevator proponents is the identification of a cost effective means of transporting the carbon nanotube teather from the Earth's surface to a proper orbit. This blimp and advances in carbon nanotubes could signal the beginning of cheap space transport for all mankind.
Mark this day on your calendar folks.
The fact is the booger is huge, there is no excusing this fact. Add this to the whole who the hell has that much space to store a blimp factor and the next who the hell will police the skies (as tickets get much harder to hand over when being able to pull over becomes a non option. The entire article is filled with it issues (namely size and practicality) that would make a helicopter although more expensive millions of times more practical. This is something like why drive your car to work when you can use this perfectly awesome toy wagon with new wheel design.
Did someone say cake?
Stop being a hater for a single second and think about this,
Word up playa. Representin' hot air baloons with internal frames against these clowns tha' be fruntin. Fa real.
FYI, there was a recent episode of Nova on PBS all about Alberto Santos-Dumont.
Unless the blimp developers are going to sustain a multi-billion market in armaments to bring these things down, it'll never fly. The FAA will never allow it. Imagine the money Boeing and other defense contractors would lose if expensive rocket launchers could be replaced with cross-bows, catapults and pellet guns.
Seeing how helium is actually quite expensive (paid $70 for 300 cu ft. at a local welding supply if memory serves) it's interesting that this contraption uses hot air. I wonder what the economics of hot air look like; i.e. cost of fuel to maintain lift, etc.
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Can't wait. This kind of reminds me of that Dr. Who epside with the alternate universe with lots of blimps & dirigibles.
That thing needs a better colour scheme, though. It's not dark and moody enough.
I wonder it they'll ever reenable the docking tower at the top of the Empire State Building?
Gimps in Blimps.
>Stop being a hater for a single second and think about this, this thing is completely new.
Completly new? Are you serious?
Next thing you know, you'll be excited about someone using hydrogen.
There's little to this device except curiosity, mainly because hot air isn't very efficient to generate lift. Helium, or better yet hydrogen, is a better choice.
Inflating and deflating gas bladders within a rigid frame sounds more practical than this.
Even according to the FAQ for the blimp, there are other hot air blimps available. This thing is not available for sale, they "predict that, with the current engine in place, we'll go about 12 miles per hour" (i.e. they haven't even measured it from the ground which is easy enough to do), and they say they don't really want to fly much above treetop level though they have reached "hundreds of feet".
t .jpg if you like
In other words, someone has built themselves a clever gadget, but it's barely been used at all, and is basically a cool plaything that for those with a spare hundred or two hundred grand, plenty of spare time, and open fields. This is any more newsworthy than my personal vehicle I use for getting around town is even though that is very different from anything you'll see on the street in terms of weight, design, engine, etc. View it at http://alptown.com/temp/Oregon.2006.VelokitAtNigh
I always zeppelins to make a come-back. It looks like they are currently used only for sightseeing and surveying, though.
I don't suppose this new hot-air balloon can compete. It really does look like a cross between a blimp and balloon, though.
i'd hit it so hard, if you pulled me out you'd be the king of britain [bash.org]
I'm an apartment dweller so about the parking situation...
If you live in a penthouse, then this blimp would clearly be useful
This would make the perfect album cover! Someone resurrect John Bonham and get the band back together.
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There are solar heated hot air balloons...
e.g.
http://perso.orange.fr/ballonsolaire/en-index.htm
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Man! That's a lot of blimps!
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rediculous.
First of all, I know there is more to life than rushing from place to place, but if it comes down to you and the guys who built this baloon and one or two other people versus the entire rest of the world, you baloon people will lose.
Next, if you had read the article which you obviously did not, you would have seen that that the thing's frame is gigantic even before it is inflated. There is also some massive inflation related equipment that it needed if you ever want to inflate it.
So some patents are good and some are bad? How do we decide? If they further stuff we like, even ridiculous stuff like giant airships designed for leaf picking, they are good and if they in any way restrict our favorite gaming company from delivering gaming system to us, bad. I bet if someone sued Sony for game controller triggers you'd be all for it.
I'll grant you that the baloon is new but it is not easy to fly. First you have to build an airplane hangar to store the thing. Then get a tractor and a trailer to drag it in and out. If you want to replace tour buses with it you'd better get an early start because from the description it appears that it takes several hours to go from hangar to ready to fly.
Forgetting for a moment that it has only ever carried one single person into the air and is equipped to carry only two, what happens if it is windy on the day of the tour? On the site there is a photo of the pilot in the dark because 'the wind died down late that day'. In other words, the thing is uncontrollable in wind and had they tried to fly it it would have nose dived into ground and probably killed the pilot and any bystanders. Sorry folks, your imaginary tour on your imaginary blimp is cancelled today as there is a slight breeze. Great for business. Might as well sell the bus on ebay before the market is canabalized by imaginary blimp sales.
This will be the ultimate way to get around Washington DC. Plenty of free fuel....
Whatever happened to commuter blimps? IIRC, There was a proposal 20 years ago to have commuter blimps travel between San Jose and San Francisco (50 miles) that would take an hour each way. I guess the air went out of the proposal since it wasn't any faster or cost effective than taking the train or car.
I understand why you'd want to post this as an AC, because it would suck to have being such a complete imbecile associated with your user ID permanently. You didn't put any more thought into a single one of those points than it took for them to fly off the cuff. Think about them for a minute (no, *actually* think about them, not just jerk off angrily muttering their name) and try again.
Airship nomenclature defined these:
Type A - Rigid
Type B - Limp (hence the nickname "blimp")
This has a rigid frame inside so it cannot be a blimp.
No, hot air is a lot cheaper. You're fucked in the head; nothing like this has flown before. You're the typical slashtard. Now go east shit and die.
Herbert Kornfeld? I didn't know you posted to /.
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Richard Branson is attempting to circumvent the world for the e^(pi*i)th time.... Only this time, running off of a hybrid fuel of hot air and smug
Seems a lot of people out there can't see a use for airships and frankly I'm surprised, Slashdotters have tremendous imaginations! Coming from Alberta, Canada I know there is a huge market for transportation of goods, especially moving big things to hard-to-get-to places. Right now there are startup blimp companies offering their services to haul huge vessels up to the tar sands. Advantages: you don't tear up highways with hundreds of wheels. You don't have to get travel permits for roads. You don't have to raise very power line and remove and then subsequently replace light standards. You don't have to install bridges, build one use roads etc. the list goes on. In the logging industry they use heavy lift helicopters to log impossible to access mountain sides. A ligher than air ship with fantastic manuverability would be perfect. Farther north, many communities can currently only be accessed via ice road in the winter (a time window that is shrinking thanks to GW). Point is, there are markets. Will it take over the entire transportation market; No way. S.
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Good reply!
There's nothing more annoying than a smug post containing a wrong answer - especially when it involves propagating an urban legend.
You would think in the post-Wikipedia world a person would at least try to check their facts before they make an ass of themselves.
Hot air is only "cheap" for the occasional hobbiest and a few slashdot blowhards.
The problem is you have to keep the air heated, which is energy intensive, and that heat keeps escaping to the surroundings, causing you to need to pour in more heat. Gases, on the other hand, stay bouyant as long as you keep them contained. Gases are also are more bouyant per cubic foot.
That is why you'll never see a commercially viable hot-air craft.
naive outside question (excuse my ignorance) - you say "the non-optimal shape of the blimp compared to a balloon" - to my eyes it looks like blimps are more aerodynamic so I would have thought more efficient at moving through the air. Could you expand on what you mean by non optimal? cheers!
Forgetting for a moment that it has only ever carried one single person into the air and is equipped to carry only two, what happens if it is windy on the day of the tour?
Good thing the Wright Brothers never ran across you. The Flyer was only equipped to carry one person; and on one of their first passenger flights (possibly the first, I only skimmed the Wiki), the passenger was killed in the crash.
Designs improve and compensate.
end of comment.
Helium is extracted from natural gas. As Natural Gas is a limited resource, relying on Helium is not wise. The only other reliable source of helium is from alpha particles in radioactive decay. Unfortunately, it just doesn't produce enough to be very viable.
Hot air, on the other hand, could be produced easily through future portable renewable sources (batteries, solar cells, etc).
While a hot air craft may not be viable now, that doesn't mean it won't become viable in the next decade or two.
Wow, that is a cool idea... that should be the main story instead of the blimp!
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Oh, the humanity!
these look like they could make pretty kick ass communications relays / air based controllers for uav/uas applications. seems like they can carry a pretty decent payload, but there's still the question of fuel efficiency.
Ummm....if you're not going to depend on things like natural gas....just how are you planning to heat up the air?
Yeah...we can always heat up a balloon with a bunch of lead-acid batteries....or a small nuclear reactor.
No matter how you look at it, generating hot air to create lift like this just isn't going to be economical.
Yes, and hot air is amazingly easy to produce in commercial quantities. For example, you could post an article titled "Ask Slashdot: Should I upgrade my Sony laptop to Windows Vista?". Or just set up a wide collector over any major city during the first week of November during an election year.
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Hook up some sort of powered fan to any hot-air balloon, and you would have the same thing.
Wouldn't you?
If it has a rigid frame, its a dirigible. A blimp is non-rigid. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirigible
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They should really fill these things with hot hydrogen. You get the best of both worlds
Darn.....
I was expecting an article on Ted Kennedy.
Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
>Designs improve and compensate.
But that can't break the laws of physics.
Oh the humanity!
How ya like dat?
Instead of filling the blimp with hot air . . .
Just make the frame out of carbon nano-tubes, with um spectra fiber cloth for the baloon, then pump the air out of that baby and up you go!
Yeah! Thats the ticket! They probably tried this in Soviet Russia years ago, but failed because they didn't have carbon nano-tubes, so now all this profit are belong to me!
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I quite appreciate the summary of the thought process that led to this design.
Me lost me cookie at the disco.
Instead of umbrella framing, I think it'd be cool to figure out a way to make this work with a (semi)rigid envelope. Perhaps try it with either carbon fiber or some fancy-shmancy nano-tube matrix composite. Then you could go a lot faster while under propulsion (maybe break Zeppelin's lighter-than-air speed records while you're at it), as you'd no longer have to worry about the lifting envelope deforming and then being torn to shreds. Also if you made a working rigid buoyant envelope in a lifting body shape there would be some additional advantages. You could cruise forward with the engines off via buoyant gliding. By simply shifting center of gravity forward and back while alternating the buoyancy, and it would be posible to move forward at slow speeds in complete silence.
A Helicopter.
It's called making a return on investment. If you look at piracy (Movie and software etc), over-estimated to be sure, the taking of others efforts is not uncommon.
Not everyone can live for free.
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Nothing's more pathetic than a geek without an imagination.
There are laws about throwing them overboard you know. There have to be, since nobody has done so so far.
I thought for sure they found a way to use my.. erm... natural gas a cheap form of transportation!
just how are you planning to heat up the air?
Well, there *is* this giant fusion reactor a few tens of million of miles from here that is, apparently, very good at generating heat. If you spent some energy getting the dirigible initially inflated and then ascended over the cloudline, I suspect you might be able to leverage that thing somehow...
My first thought was, I WANT ONE!!! This is like climbing the tallest tree just for the view, only YOU CAN MOVE THE TREE!!
;)
Kindof like doing Google Earth in the flesh.
Oh, wait... Most of the folks here have never done anything in the flesh.
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