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Council of the EU Says "We Cannot Support Linux"

An anonymous reader writes "The Council of the EU has a streaming service so that we can watch its meetings — but the service can only be accessed by Mac or MS Windows users. This is because they employ WMV format for the videos. In the FAQ they express a really strange opinion about this: 'The live streaming media service of the Council of the European Union can be viewed on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh platforms. We cannot support Linux in a legal way. So the answer is: No support for Linux.' An online petition has been set up to create pressure to convince the EU council to change its service to one that is platform independent."

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  1. Where's the illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We cannot support Linux in a legal way."

    What's so illegal about a Flash-based streaming player?

    1. Re:Where's the illegal? by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Informative
      What's so illegal about a Flash-based streaming player?
      Flash embedded video is not a bad idea, but currently the latest version of flash available for Linux is Flash Player 7 which doesn't have support for all the video features added in Flash 8 and Flash 9. They could do it, they would just have to be mindful of the limitations of Flash 7 when they were setting it up. Either that or set it up as flash video and hope that Adobe releases Flash 9 for Linux soon (they've already got a prerelease available here: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/)
  2. Not much to be said here by BenoitRen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would guess they can't support GNU/Linux in a legal way because they can't offer the codecs. Only parties that have an agreement of sorts or have paid M$ royalties can use it. GNU/Linux doesn't, though distributions like that one that used to be known as Lindows (can't remember the name) comes with closed-source ones.

    The petition to urge them to use a platform-independent format is a good answer.

  3. Hello, there are open-source players for WMV3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    WMV3 has been opened. MPlayer / FFMPEG support it natively now. Google Summer of Code had a project to make an optimized player for it.

    Yes I think it still has patent issues or something but in Europe I don't think that matters.

  4. Youtube!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or should I say Eutube!

    *ducks*

  5. Will not stand in the EU by grimJester · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obvoiusly soneone has wanted to point this out, if it's explicitly written on the EU site. At the risk of sounding trollish:

    We will not have our legislation locked down in ways that force EU citicens to buy software from one specific vendor. FUCK YOU.

    We like to think we're better than the US. Apperarently our legislators are also bought off. If you as an elected politician get your salary from Microsoft Corporation or Apple Computer inc, please report directly to me for your ticket to Baghdad and the Saddam Hussein rope massage. Thank you for your incompetent attempt at running a democracy, please don't come again.

  6. Re:Ogg Theora? by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why limit yourself to just one format? Offer both WMV *AND* Ogg Theora!
    Or, to put it another way: "Why limit yourself to just one set of problems! You could deal with the problems of both WMV *AND* Ogg Theora!"
  7. Please don't do this by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When people recommend half-assed or not ready OSS solutions, it hurts the OSS cause. Theora isn't ready to go, it's not even remotely ready. There's a reason why it's still an alpha whereas Vorbis is a full release. It is in no way shape or form a ready competitor to WMV at this time.

    It's much better to admit there's nothing that works out there that's OSS than to recommend a poor OSS solution. The reason is that the number one justification against OSS is shoddy quality. You talk to J. Random PHB and the reason they don't want to use OSS is because it's poor quality/not supported. Well, advocating things that are, in fact, poor quality just provides them with ammo for their argument.

    Also it can hurt a format to get lots of exposure before it's ready. If everyone's first exposure to Theora is when it's buggy, that idea will form in their minds and later when it's stable, they will still associate Theora = buggy and thus give it a pass.

    At this point, we just need to wait on Theora. Vorbis is great, I've no doubt in time Theroa will be its match, however it's not the kind of thing that will happen in a day.

    1. Re:Please don't do this by evilviper · · Score: 5, Informative
      Theora isn't ready to go, it's not even remotely ready.

      Really? Why?

      There's a reason why it's still an alpha whereas Vorbis is a full release.

      And that reason is???

      It's much better to admit there's nothing that works out there that's OSS than to recommend a poor OSS solution.

      That wouldn't be true, of course.

      The patents on MPEG-1 have long ago expired. It has pretty good quality (better than Theora/VP3) when encoded with a recent implimentation (ie. libavcodec for video, twolame for audio). And more than that, it is by far the most widely compatible format around, supported by just about every video player made in the past several years, on just about every single platform around.

      I've no doubt in time Theroa will be its match,

      I, however, do. The VP3 codec is hated by just about everyone who knows anything about video.

      It has really poor video quality, compared to even much older video codecs.

      It is very CPU-intensive to encode.

      It's playback performance is horrible. Once you reach resolutions where a full frame can't fit in your CPU cache, you get performance worse than codecs like h.264.

      In some 4 years of Theora's development, Xiph hasn't removed any of VP3's limitations, nor added any advantages over the original VP3 codec. Since they've frozen the bitstream, even the potential for them to do any of that has passed...

      I was somewhat active in the Theora development process some time ago, but I've long since given it up for dead.
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  8. Great work... by Pengman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First they (the EU) force MS to marked a version of Windows without media-player... and then they release content that needs that very media player...